Principal findings and reasons of the primary judge
369 The primary judge made the following unchallenged findings with respect to the telephone call between MG and Mr Tristian Reimers on 5 July 2018:
547 The same day, Mr Tristian Reimers of Mazda telephoned MG. Mr Reimers explained that Mazda had become involved at the instigation of the dealer and that Mazda had approved the "engine repairs". MG explained that his "biggest problem" was what he perceived as potential harm to the resale value of the vehicle and also that he had a car that had not been as reliable as he had hoped.
548 The following discussion ensued:
MG: Yeah. I mean, I've looked up, like, what - I was at one point where I thought, 'oh god, I should just' - 'I should push you guys to see if you'll replace the vehicle completely'. Because I just got that fed up with it. So, like - when I started looking up, you know, other cases, I thought the best I could ever hope for was Mazda to buy the vehicle back at its current market value, which, you know, would still put me significantly out of pocket.
Mr Reimers: Mmm.
MG: Which has kind of - you know, kind of left us stuck with the thing. You know, all I really-----
Mr Reimers: Well, I'm happy to review-----
MG: -----want-----
Mr Reimers: -----you know, based on the experience, you know, something around goodwill, or, you know, some compensation as a result of, you know, everything you've told me about the - you know, the history of the vehicle and what Simon's obviously told us about it. I mean, I'm more than happy to have a - you know, a - a discussion with - with management here, and - and loop back to you. You know, with a - with a response to that.
I mean - yeah, whether it would involve Mazda doing what you've just outlined in terms of, you know, buying it back, I mean, I - I - I don't know. I'll probably have to set an expectation that that would probably be unlikely.
MG: Yeah. The-----
Mr Reimers: But - yeah. Yeah-----
MG: The thing that annoys me-----
Mr Reimers: Yep.
MG: -----the most about it is, like, it's a lovely car to drive.
Mr Reimers: Mmm.
MG: And - when it's - when it's working. And even - even when it's had issues, it's still - it's still - like, it still drives exactly the same. It just, you know - only once it's really had a good shutdown where it's gone - gone into limp-home mode.
Mr Reimers: Mmm-hmm.
MG: But it's just - it's a really nice car. It's really frustrating that it's had these problems.
Mr Reimers: Yeah, yep.
MG: You know, the - the-----
Mr Reimers: No, it isn't what we want. I mean - yeah, and-----
MG: Yeah. I mean, the - the best possible - like - and I know this is really unlikely, but the best possible outcome for me is if you replaced it completely with a new - new model. … And - and I'd be, like, steering well away from another diesel one. Yeah. … That'd - that'd be the - the - yeah, the ideal outcome for me. … If the vehicle got completely replaced with a brand-new one. Yeah.
Mr Reimers: Yeah. Look - I mean, I'd - yeah, I'd have to be really honest with that and say, look, that - that would probably - that would probably be unlikely. I mean, unless you're-----
MG: I know.
Mr Reimers: Yeah. I - I'm-----
MG: I - I wouldn't push-----
Mr Reimers: I'm not saying that it wouldn't - wouldn't happen. I'm saying that there'd have to be some contribution, you know, I guess in terms of - and like a financial contribution through yourself to - to facilitate something like that, if it was to - to be approved at this end.
MG: Yep.
Mr Reimers: But, yeah - I mean, I'd - yeah, it certainly wouldn't be a case of Mazda saying, "Yep, let's" - "let's replace the" - "the vehicle and put you in a new one". As - you know, as a----
MG: I just have - got so little faith in the current car.
Mr Reimers: Mmm. Yeah. No, I understand that. Yeah.
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MG: Yeah, I would like you to go to your management team and - who - you know, whoever approves these kind of things, and let them know. I mean, I think it's - it would have to be pretty rare at your end that, you know, a car would have its engine swapped out - we're beyond the fourth engine now since it was - you know, since it was new.
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Mr Reimers: Mmm. But I - I guess in terms of me reviewing it here at this end, I guess in terms of offering a - a buy-back at market value, that's not something that you would be open to?
MG: I - I don't want to do it. Because-----
Mr Reimers: Yeah.
MG: I - I mean, I bought the car to keep it for 10 years. And I've had it-----
Mr Reimers: Yeah.
MG: -----for five now. I mean, I bought it with extended warranty, I paid extra for that. I bought it with, like, 10 years roadside assist.
Mr Reimers: Mmm.
MG: You know, I really wanted to get 10 years out of the vehicle. You know, if - if it's worth 18, 20 grand or something as its current market value, if I was to go and spend 20 grand on something, I'd be lucky to get anything as nice as what I'm driving at the moment.
Mr Reimers: Yeah, sure.
MG: Yeah.
Mr Reimers: Yeah. I mean, the other - I mean - I guess when we're talking about goodwill, I mean, there's - there's, you know, servicing; there's, you know, accessory fitments; you know, there's all - I mean, there's that sort of goodwill that we can - we can potentially offer, based on the experience you've had. Would you be open to something along those lines?
MG: If - if you guys offered me, like - like, guaranteed me that - I don't know. Extended the warranty on the vehicle till - till it - it was 10 years old, that'd be the kind of thing I'd be interested in as well.
549 MG then said, from Mazda's point of view, it would have been cheaper to replace the vehicle than to undertake three engine replacements. In response, Mr Reimers said that was not how Mazda viewed it and added:
And I guess if it's a, you know, confirmed manufacturer issue - and I guess that's what we're dealing with here, through, you know, the vehicle - taking into fact, you know, how many kays you've done, the history of all the previous issues, yeah, I think that's - that's probably how Mazda would generally approach it in terms of, you know, what we need to do to address the - the actual manufacturing problem with the car.
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I'm just trying to explain it from a - a Mazda perspective in terms of how they would look to - to resolve an issue with a car, and that would be along the lines of addressing the manufacturing fault through a repair process involving a dealer, mmm.
550 MG then said: "I guess - I'd like you to go with management. So I guess the first thing would be replace the vehicle completely, and then other - those other options you've just mentioned after that". Mr Reimers agreed.
551 MG then said that he had looked at his legal options and "I don't think I'd be very lucky to get away with much more than it being bought back at market value, according to the ACCC, anyway". MG said he would be open to the option of making a contribution depending on what the dollar figures were.
370 The primary judge was satisfied, contrary to Mazda's submissions, that Mazda never gave any, or any proper or genuine, consideration to MG's request for a refund or replacement vehicle including because the record of a Mazda executive panel meeting on 20 July 2018, at which MG's requests were considered, did not make any reference to any issue that might have arisen under the ACL. Rather, the primary judge stated at J [586]:
As the ACCC submitted, "[t]here was no evidence in [the] contemporaneous record of any consideration of whether MG was entitled to a replacement vehicle under the ACL. There was no technical input; neither Mr Bradford nor Mr David were at the meeting … Ms Han recalled that the repair time was "fairly short", on the basis that the car was off the road for "two weeks", and it was a bigger and more complicated repair. She recalled that the car was five years old. She did not recall major failure or ACL being discussed".
371 The primary judge then stated at J [588]:
I therefore accept the ACCC's submissions in respect of each of these representations, for reasons that I trust are sufficiently clear from my earlier reasons in respect of similar representations concerning other consumers. See eg [215]-[221] in respect of RC above, and [454] in respect of SB and KB.