Representations 6, 7, 8, and 9 (in the online chats): the ACCCs case and the statements made
271 Representations 6, 7, 8, and 9 were all made in online chats between three Australian consumers and Steam Support representatives. For the reasons below, I consider that none of the pleaded representations in relation to these consumers was misleading.
272 Although the ACCC's case in relation to these representations was pleaded on the basis that these statements were "false or misleading" the case was never run as one involving alternatives. The ACCC focused upon the common element to contraventions of s 18(1) and s 29(1)(m) which was that the representations were misleading. Separate cases were not made for s 18(1) and s 29(1)(m). In other words, the ACCC did not suggest that a contravention might occur because Valve representatives made false statements that were not misleading. No submissions were made about whether the Steam Support representatives were (i) expressing opinions about the operation of legal rules in the SSAs or Valve's policies or opinions about the Valve's representations, or (ii) stating facts and making independent representations of fact. It is wholly understandable why the ACCC ran its case in this way. It would be extraordinary for a case for pecuniary penalties to be prosecuted only on the basis of allegations of false representations to three people, none of whom was misled or likely to be misled.
273 Another important part of the context to the representations in the online chats is that the ACCC did not allege that any of the online video games that it offered were not of acceptable quality or that a "major failure" occurred". Section 54(2) was set out above. It concerns the circumstances in which goods are of acceptable quality. Section 54(3) provides for the matters to consider for the purposes of s 54(2) to determine whether the goods are not of acceptable quality, including the nature of the goods, the price of the goods (if relevant), any statements made about the goods on any packaging or label on the goods; and any representation made about the goods by the supplier or manufacturer of the goods. Issues might also arise in relation to s 54(6) that goods do not fail to be of acceptable quality if "the consumer to whom they are supplied causes them to become of unacceptable quality, or fails to take reasonable steps to prevent them from becoming of unacceptable quality". None of these matters was an issue at trial.
274 The online chat representations alleged by the ACCC were made on statements made in the course of written, online "chats" between three Australian consumers and Steam Support representatives. Each of those chats is described below.
275 Mr Phillips. The first chat was between Mr Phillips and Steam Support (Court Book 163-164).
276 Mr Phillips is a 31 year old man who lives in Victoria. He has played computer games and custom built computers for 20 years. He plays once or twice a week for 2 or 3 hours each time. On 24 November 2013, he purchased a game for US $49.99. The game was called "X-Rebirth". He wanted to use it on his computer. On the same day, he experienced problems with the game which he described as "game breaking bugs". These included that the game crashed every second or third time that he tried to play it. He would get black screens when launching the game, the sound would cut in and out, and the game ran at a low frame rate like watching a slide show rather than a moving image. Mr Phillips attempted to play and to troubleshoot the game for 4 hours on one occasion and 2 hours on another. He described a number of troubleshooting techniques that he tried to apply.
277 The online chat between Mr Phillips and Steam Support commenced on 24 November 2013, with a message sent by Mr Phillips as follows:
I would like a refund in full to a purchase I made for X- Rebirth.
X-Rebirth
49.99 USD
Subtotal:
49.99 USD
Tax:
0.00 USD
Total:
49.99 USD
Payment Info:
Visa ending with****
49.99 USD
Confirmation Number:
1715039517851395657
Date confirmed:
Sun Nov 24 19:34:32 2013
This software does not work as advertised.
The purchase of this software and any refund request is protected under Australian law via rules set down by the ACCC (http:/). If I don't receive a refund within 7 working days. I will put forward a complaint with the ACCC.
278 On 26 November 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Robbie" which began as follows:
Hello
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
Unfortunately, we cannot offer a refund for this transaction.
Please review Section 3 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information
Please try the following to troubleshoot any issues.
279 After making a number of troubleshooting suggestions, Support Tech Robbie then said:
Support for this title is handled by a third party support department, please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot this issue
Egosoft Support
As an alternate resource, please check Steam Discussions for other users that may have resolved this issue:
280 Mr Phillips then replied on 26 November 2013:
Thank-you for the response; however this is an unacceptable resolution. The reality is this product was released in a dysfunctional and incomplete state while being advertised as a complete final version. I am willing to accept either a) a full refund of the product or b) a steam store credit for the total cost of the product resulting in the removal of this product from my Steam library. Please escalate this issue.
I will in the meantime begin the initial proceedings of making a complaint with the ACCC.
281 On 29 November 2013, after having received no reply, Mr Phillips sent another message:
Hi
I still haven't received a response since I asked for my X-Rebirth refund request to again be looked at. I have noticed that other persons have successfully been awarded a refund for this product. As I mentioned in the previous post I will be happy for a Steam store credit rather than a full refund in cash.
X-Rebirth is still unplayable even after several patches, and in some cases is actually worse. The release quality of X-Rebirth is unacceptable to be called a full final release and professional reviews backup this claim (See: ). Both the official Egosoft (See ) and Steam (See: ) forums are full of complaints about the release quality from people who have purchased and have attempted to play X-Rebirth. The head developer of Egosoft has also made a public comment about the release status of the game….
Please consider my request as soon as possible. As an Australian consumer my request is fair under my local laws according to the ACCC.
282 On 2 December 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Robbie" as follows:
Hello
As with most software products, we do not offer refunds or exchanges for purchases made on our website or through the Steam Client. This includes, but is not limited to, games, Early Access Games, software, gifted or traded purchases, downloadable content, subscriptions, and in-game items/currency.
Please review Section 3 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
Additionally, you installed and played the game purchased in this transaction for 4 hours, in effect using the product.
283 Mr Phillips replied, explaining that he had not played X-Rebirth for 4 hours but, rather, had attempted for 4 hours to make it work. Again, he asked for his request for a refund to be "escalated".
284 On 6 December 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Robbie" as follows:
Hello
As stated, this title has been played for over 4 hours. We are unable to assist you with a refund or credit for this purchase.
Unfortunately we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.
Support for this title is handled by Egosoft Support - please follow the instructions below to contact the support provider to troubleshoot any issues.
Egosoft Support
Thank you for contacting Steam Support
285 On 6 December 2013, Mr Phillips sent a message as follows:
Hi
My support ticket requesting a refund or store credit for X-Rebirth was closed by Support Tech Robbie on Fri 6th Dec 2013 11.00am.
See . Having my refund request denied is unacceptable due to the technical condition of the software. As previously stated the ACCC has confirmed that I have a fair reason to obtain a refund for this software. Please review the decision.
286 On 12 December 2013, Mr Phillips lodged a written complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission, but he never received a reply to that complaint.
287 Also on 12 December 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Robbie" as follows:
Hello
As a one time exception to our policy, the title has been removed from your account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases.
To view your current available Steam Wallet balance
- Log into your Steam account
- The current available balance will be listed in the upper right hand corner next to '(Your username)'s Account
- In most cases, the new funds will automatically be displayed in your account
- If this has not happened, please allow two hours for the transaction to fully complete.
Please note in the future that Steam purchases, per the Steam Subscriber Agreement, are not refundable.
288 Mr Miles. Mr Miles is a 31 year old computer programmer and software developer. He was in New South Wales at the relevant times. He has played video games since he was 8. He participates in tests for new games and often plays games around 3 times a week. On 28 June 2013, Mr Miles purchased a video game called "Legends of Dawn" on Steam for US $15.99. After downloading the game, Mr Miles discovered that (i) the frame rate at which the game ran was too slow to make the game effective, (ii) the game frequently paused for a split second in game play, and (iii) the game would crash randomly and at different times and locations in the game. Mr Miles tried to play the game for a couple of weeks but found that the game was "virtually unplayable". On 8 July 2013, he downloaded a patch for the game but experienced the same problems.
289 On 16 July 2013, Mr Miles sent a written complaint to Steam via the online Steam Support about "Legends of Dawn" as follows:
Hi
I know your general policy is no refunds, but this game is in no way fit for release and should have been (and still should be) marked as 'Alpha' 'Beta' or early access. I have been patient and waited for several patches but major bugs and technical issues still exist that make the game virtually unplayable: as such I feel I must demand a refund.
The confirmation number for my purchase is 1586673785671858962.
Regards
Byron
290 On 26 July 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Grant":
Hello Byron
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
We apologize for the delay.
As with most software products, we do not offer refunds or exchanges for purchases made on our website or through the Steam Client. This includes, but is not limited to games, Early Access Games, software, gifted or traded purchases, downloadable content, subscriptions, and in-game items/currency.
We will make an exception and refund titles that are still listed as available for Pre-Purchase on our website. The refund request must be received prior to the official release date for the item. You can see when a pre-purchased title is scheduled to officially unlock by viewing the green information bar on its store page.
This only applies to preorders purchased from your account, preordered titles received or sent thought the Steam Trading system cannot be refunded. We do not offer refunds for Early Access Games.
Please review Section 3 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
291 On 26 July 2013, Mr Miles sent a further message as follows:
Hi
Thank you for telling me what I already knew, but my point is you advertised this game as being ready for release, and clearly it isn't, it's barely playable (extremely poor performance, constant crashers, major bugs, etc.) and I would NOT have purchased it had it been appropriately labelled. I'm not a lawyer, but I do know there are laws regarding this sort of thing: at the very least I consider it unethical (both on the part of the developer / publisher and steam) and would greatly appreciate a refund in this particular instance.
Kind regards
Byron Miles
292 On 29 July 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Grant" as follows:
Hello Byron
The regulations you are citing do not apply to digital distribution subscriptions, electronic games, or downloadable content.
Additionally you installed and played the game purchased in this transaction for over 5 hours, in effect using the product.
We are happy to continue troubleshooting any issues you are having with this title, however we will not issue a refund for this purchase.
293 On 29 July 2013, Mr Miles sent a message as follows:
Hi
Well I am very disappointed to hear that, but it's only $16 so I won't push the issue, however I will take two lessons from this, namely
- Steam has no quality control, don't trust anything on it especially indie games.
- Steam does not act in good faith, nor does it compel those who distribute through it to do so, look elsewhere first.
Regards
Byron Miles
294 On 30 July 2013, Mr Miles sent a message as follows:
Hi
Actually I've decided not to let this drop as I now see you are also selling Realms of Arkania: Blade of Destiny, which my many reports is also of less than "acceptable quality" and is not marked as 'Early Access'.
I've been doing some research with regard to consumer law here in Australia () and a few things in particular stand out.
"Which goods are covered?
Goods are covered by the consumer guarantees as long as they are sold in trade or commerce and bought by a consumer".
So the law DOES apply to digital goods (including electronic games).
"Signs and statements that limit, or seem to limit, consumers' rights are unlawful - including 'no refund' signs. Suppliers and manufacturers cannot:
> limit, restrict or exclude consumer guarantees, or
> avoid their obligations by getting the consumer to agree that the law of another country applies to the contract or to any dispute.
"Signs that state 'no refunds' are unlawful, because they imply it is not possible to get a refund under any circumstance - even when there is a major problem with the goods."
Your 'no refund' policy is unlawful here in Australia, and Australia law applies, as this is the territory in which I purchased the goods in questions, namely 'Legends of Dawn' and I know refunds are technically possible, as they are not unprecedented.
"Suppliers and manufacturers guarantee that goods are of acceptable quality when sold to a consumer."
I, and many others, do not consider Legends of Dawn to be of "acceptable quality", not when I purchased it and not now.
As to the 5 hours played, I wanted to give the game a fair and honest assessment, not just have a knee jerk reaction.
As I originally said, I demand a refund and am well within my rights and the law to do so.
Regards
Byron Miles
295 On 5 August 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Grant" as follows:
Hello Byron
Unfortunately, we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
296 On 5 August 2013, Mr Miles sent a message as follows:
Right well then we will see what the ACCC has to say.
297 On 6 August 2013, Mr Miles sent a written complaint to the ACCC via email about his experience. Mr Miles has not received a refund from Steam or Valve Corporation for "Legends of Dawn".
298 Mr Miller. Mr Miller is a 28 year old man, living in Tasmania. He has played video games since he was 7 years old. He plays video games daily. He has extensive knowledge of computers and computer software. The list of games that he has purchased or downloaded from Steam runs to 20 pages of closely spaced typescript. In 2012 and 2013, he purchased three video games called "NyxQuest: Kindred Spirits", "Plants vs Zombies GOTY Edition" and "Anna". He experienced various problems with those games including, on different occasions, failures to load properly, lack of audio, no text or images, incorrect menu options.
299 On 2 May 2013, after Mr Miller previously bought two additional games, he downloaded those games which were called "Thirty Flights of Loving" and "Dear Esther". He experienced problems with both of them including no video, no audio, and, in the case of "Dear Esther" an inability to play the game.
300 On 7 January 2013, Mr Miller decided to request a refund for the first tranche of three games. He sent a message to the Steam Support as follows:
Today I tried a few of my games for the first time with various issues that make the games unplayable.
Anna (For Mac) - Game doesn't display in the center of the screen, and mouse sensitivity is so high that it's impossible to move. Because the game doesn't display in the center I can't see the options screen to change resolution or mouse sensitivity.
NyxQuest (For Mac) - Crashes on startup, no visuals or audio displayed.
Plants VS Zombies: Game of the Year (For Mac) - Game loads a blank window on startup and sound can be heard but doesn't display any visuals.
According to the system requirements for these games, they should work.
I'd like refunds for all 3 games since I haven't been able to play any of them. I was just reading through some forums regarding refunds and read that steam doesn't offer refunds? Can you please make an exception? I own the majority of mac games on steam, and don't want to waste my time jumping through 3rd party game support forums for 3 different games. Since the games aren't playable they should qualify for a refund regardless of Steams regular terms and conditions.
My username is Macsak88
301 On 17 January 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello
Thank you for contacting Steam Support. We apologize for the long delay in getting a response to you.
Steam Support has recently had a higher volume of tickets and we are working to respond to everyone.
We have found that many users have resolved their issues since submitting their ticket.
302 After suggesting some solutions, Support Tech Cannon then said:
If you are experiencing issues with this game after it has been installed, launched and is running you will need to contact the developer's support department. They will be able to help you with in game issues, performance problems, and other similar bugs.
You can find the contact information for the third party Support on the store page for the game or through the following link:
If we don't receive a response from you, this ticket will automatically close. We really appreciate your understanding and patience while we continue to work with the increased ticket volume.
303 On 21 January 2013, Mr Miller replied as follows:
Hello
I'm not interested in looking for possible solutions for why the games don't work, which would likely take hours of my time and possibly not help anything. I'd simply like a refund for these games since I haven't been able to use them.
Thank you
Caleb
304 On 22 January 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello Caleb
The best technical support for in-game issues with this title is provided by its original developer or publisher. Please refer to the following article for more information on contacting the support team for this title:
Title: Anna
Link: . php?ref=5385-PAFH-6160
Title: NyxQuest: Kindred Spirits
Link:
Title: Plants vs. Zombies
Link:
It is recommended that you complete any applicable steps on the page linked above. If you are still unable to resolve the issue, click tile blue "technical support" link provided in the article to contact the support department for this title.
As an alternate resource, please check Steam Discussions for other users that may have resolved this issue. You can find this game by using the search box near the top of the page:
305 On 22 January 2013, Mr Miller replied:
This is getting ridiculous. You are not listening to what I'm saying. I'd like a refund for the games that don't work. The refund I'm legally entitled to. You are starting to really piss me off with your terrible lack of customer service sending me these generic bullshit answers and wasting my time.
Do not send me another one of these generic answers. Listen to me.
306 On 23 January 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello Caleb
It appears you have not attempted to troubleshoot your issue with the third party support team.
Please contact this support team and attempt to troubleshoot the issue you are experiencing.
Please send me a copy of this conversation with the third party support team, which outlines what steps you have taken to try to get the game working on your computer and I will investigate this matter further.
307 On 23 January 2013, Mr Miller replied:
Hello
Are you telling me that unless go through 3 third party supports for the 3 games you will not refund me for the games that aren't working?
I cannot afford the time waste to do that and I am not interested in doing that. However I am still legally entitled to a refund. It's a digital download, you won't lose any stock by refunding me. If you would like me go through these 3rd party support channels you will need to pay me as contractor for the time I am using to do so.
My hourly rate is $55AU. Let me know if you still like me to do this or give me the refund for the faulty products. If you don't comply I will do all in my power to involve the ombudsman, consumer watch, news channels so that I can at least publicise how you've treated me after two weeks of correspondence. Hopefully one of these avenues will apply enough pressure for you to do the right thing and refund me my 20ish dollars. Have you even checked how much this is worth? Can you tell me the total price for the faulty products? (which you might as well have stolen from me?)
I am now completely angry and frustrated by your terrible service and will be telling as many people as I can about this negative experience with Steam support.
308 On 25 January 2013 by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello Caleb
Unfortunately, we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
309 On 2 May 2013, Mr Miller sent another complaint to Steam Support concerning the two additional games he had downloaded that day called "Thirty Flights of Loving" and "Dear Esther":
Hello Steam Support
These are the games I'd like refunds for as they do not work (except Bard's Tale, that item functions). My system meets the requirements for all of these games. Please deactivate these games (except Bard's Tale) from my account and refund me. I am legally entitled to a refund according to consumer rights.
Under the Australian consumer rights laws you are immediately required to refund purchases that do not meet adequate standards or function as promised. I have made the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission aware of your actions and responses to refund claim, and they promised to investigate this issue breach of Australian consumer rights.
As an American company based company, it's my understanding you've breached the Fair Credit Billing Act & Consumer Protection Act and for this reason I have made complaints to the Federal Trade Commission.
Total $13.35
Please refund me immediately.
Caleb
Username-Macsak88
310 A response was received on 2 May 2013 by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello Caleb
The regulations you are citing do not apply to digital distribution subscriptions, electronic games, or downloadable content.
Additionally, you installed and played the game purchased in this transaction, in effect using the product.
Please contact the developer's support and troubleshoot the issues you are having.
311 Mr Miller sent a further message that day on 2 May 2013 as follows:
Hello
I know that I installed and tried to use these products. That's how I know they don't work, please re-read my initial support submission.
I did not notice any clause saying that digital downloads were excluded from these laws. In Australia law, you are definitely in the wrong, hopefully the FTC will find the same.
The issue isn't my creditability. They don't work. I'm unable to play them. I've got 140 steam games, 5 of which don't work. That's about 3% right? I wonder if the 3% of your entire catalog [sic] doesn't function for other customers? Let's say you've sold 10 million games, that's 300,000 products that don't function - 3% of your customers are unsatisfied, possibly having to deal with your terrible support department, basically being stolen from, in that they can't use products you've sold them. If they were to band together and sue it would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars area. Under Australian law, we have the ACCC who would do that for us, they are unsure how much pull they would have on an American company. If I get this into the Australian news would that have any affect on your immoral if not unlawful policies?
Obviously that huge amount of customer dissatisfaction doesn't scare you, but I'm surprised you just don't care about doing the right thing. It blows me away to see this level of customer service from such a large company. I'm a great customer, owning over a hundred of your products. Yet you are trying to weasel out of refunding products that don't work, even to repeat customers. You are trying to quote that laws of customer protection don't apply to you thanks to the mediums you use and the country you are in. Is your CEO aware that his company does this? Are you aware that your customers don't know you don't give refunds until they try to get one? Can you see how immoral and (i pray) unlawful that is?
What's stopping you from just doing the right thing?
Caleb
312 On 3 May 2013, a response was sent by "Support Tech Cannon" as follows:
Hello Caleb
Unfortunately, we will be unable to assist you further with this issue.
Thank you for contacting Steam Support.
313 However, later on 3 May 2013, a further response was sent by "Support Tech Tony" as follows:
Hello Caleb
Upon reviewing your ticket I can see that you want a refund for the following titles: NyxQuest, Anna, Dear Esther, Plants vs. Zombies and Thirty Flights of Loving. I was also able to confirm that they have had no significant play time, so a refund should not be a problem. I can refund these purchases and the funds will be deposited into your Steam Wallet. Please confirm if this will be satisfactory.
314 On 3 May 2013, a message was sent by Mr Miller as follows:
Yes that will be fine thank you
Caleb
315 On 3 May 2013, a message was sent by "Support Tech Tony" as follows:
Hello Caleb
Your wallet has been credited $13.35 and the licenses for those games have been removed from your account. Please let us know if you require further assistance.