All right. You said you kissed then you got up and switched the lights off. How did matters develop from there?---We kissed and I did, I asked her if I could undo her bra again, I did that, and basically she - I helped her take her shirt off, take her top off, afterwards, and as I'm helping her up and we're kissing and we're touching, I took my shoes off and I think I undid my jeans as well.
Is there any light inside the room? Are you able to see - - -?---Yeah, I mean, it's not like bright like this but obviously you see.
What state did you get down to in your state of undress?---Well, I took everything off. I had my undies on at one stage but, yeah.
What about [the complainant]? What did she get down to, clothing wise?---She had nothing on but her undies at the end, I mean, not even, I mean she took even her socks off.
What then was happening between you and her if anything?---We just kissing and she's on my side and she's got her head on my shoulder, just kissing and touching, and she's got one leg on my side like this, she's basically - I don't know how to explain that, to make a picture what I'm talking about - - -
Well, what was the next phase? What happened?---Then it's like it's getting really hot, you know, it's - we both are very aroused, like, we just like - I think basically you get to that level, like, you know, and I got up to put a condom on, and I know I had some in my desk and I took one out, I put it on and she said, 'What are you doing?' and I said, 'Yeah, I'm putting a condom on.'
It might be obvious but where is she, on the bed, off the bed; where - - -?---Yeah, she was on the bed.
Are you standing up, you're sitting down - - -?---Yeah, I was standing up.
You have told us you put the condom on?---Yes.
Do you still have any of your underclothes on at that stage?---I didn't, obviously I had to take it off to put the - pull it down to put the condom on, but I went back to bed and she said she's not ready, I mean, she asked, 'What are you doing?' I said yeah, I'm putting a condom on, and she said no, she's not ready for that, tonight's the first night.
So you're now back in bed?---Yeah.
What position is she on the bed?---When I get back to bed she was still in that position as I left her but now she says she doesn't want to do it and I'm just kissing her and she's, no, she's touching my shoulder, you know, and I said all right, you know, and she - I told her to basically roll over and I - because I - I just wanted to hold onto her and I just cuddled her and she rolled over towards the - facing the window, basically.
So where were you after she rolled over to face the window?---I was always sleeping behind, obviously.
So what happened then?---She had her arm on my head.
Yes?---Actually, she had her head on my arm and - - -
Were you touching her - - -?---Yeah.
Were you touching her in any way?---My hand is on her breast and - - -
She's got her head on her arm - - -?---Yeah.
Your arm, I think you said?---Yeah.
She said she doesn't want to, so what actually happens at that stage? Well, how long did you stay in the position you were in?---Probably about 15 minutes and we just kind of talking as well and she says, 'Yeah, I think I better go home,' you know.
Were you saying anything in relation to whether she should stay or go home?---Yeah, I thought I told her to stay, you know, and she said no, she has to go and it's getting a bit late and she has to wake up early tomorrow, and I said 'Yeah, you can sleep here, no problems,' you know, and she said no, she wants to go, and I said okay.