Would you accept that that first sentence from that email conveys the impression that you were not aware of any witnesses---My understanding of that sentence is there was no one identified that witnessed the incident.
But there was someone who witnessed some part of something that night, wasn't there, because they'd yelled out some words during the event---It's in relation to the disclosure for the offences of obstruct police.
Well, for - the allegation of obstruction against Ms Atoms was that she was on your back, so - correct---Yes.
And the alleged obstruction against her continued until the point at which she was tasered by Sergeant Caldwell and fell off your back---Yes.
So did you draw a - so what was the distinction that you were drawing in terms of your disclosure obligations---My disclosure obligations were to provide details - if there were witnesses that had seen anything in relation to the offences of obstruct police, then they should be spoken to.
But you knew there was somebody who had been identified, they'd been spoken to by a police officer, detective - sorry - Senior Constable Stevenson, identified who had, during the course of the events, yelled out something about police brutality. You were aware of that, weren't you---Senior Constable Stevenson told me that he spoke to some people and some - viewed some footage, but none of it was relevant to the offences that were being investigated.
So there was some footage, but it wasn't relevant---That's correct.
What was the footage of, do you know---I don't know.
Did you know why it wasn't relevant---He told me that it was footage relating to police cars parked in the street.
But wouldn't that be very relevant to ascertain exactly which police officers might have been there that night---Not if that's turned up after the incident.
Well, at least you'd have a starting point for investigating who the officers were who attended, and then one can work out by speaking to them where they were, what time they arrived---I'd been advised that Sergeant Caldwell, when he arrived, there - there weren't any other police there. In my - in my view, the offence of obstruct police ended once constable - Sergeant Caldwell arrived.
Well, this is 18 January. As at 4 November, you were of the view that there were several police officers who had witnessed the event, weren't you---Yes.
When did - did you at some point change your mind about that and form the view that in fact there were no police officers there---Yes.
When did you change your mind------I've---
- - - about that---I've already explained that that's a---
No, when - but when did you change your mind?
DAVIS DCJ: You're being asked when---I don't know.
CUERDEN, MR: Was it before 18 January 2009---I don't know.
So the mere fact that - I mean, the - the fact that the police officers were there and seen by someone - there might be video footage of the cars could have been relevant, could it not---I didn't think it was. No.
Do you - would you agree then in fact it was a matter for Dr Cunningham, who was defending these criminal charges, to work out whether it was or it wasn't relevant to his defence---Sorry? Say again?
Would you accept that it was up to Dr Cunningham - if there was video footage of some part of the events, it was for Dr Cunningham to decide whether it was - it was or wasn't relevant to his defence---No.
It was up to you, was it---No.
DAVIS DCJ: Who was it up to then---Well, it's up to me, yes. It was up to me.
CUERDEN, MR: Can I suggest to you that the sentence that I've read from this email conveyed, and was intended by you to convey, the misleading impression that there were - there was nobody - you - you did not have the details - by you, I mean the police - did not have the details of any person who might be able to say something relevant about the matter---It simply says that there was no witnesses identified.