Right. Did you see or hear anything passing between Mr HaywardJackson and the police officers before he was arrested?---No, I didn't hear.
What was the first thing you saw or heard that drew your attention back to - - - ?---What I first saw - because I turned to - either to see if he would acknowledge me because, you know, we're not that good a friends - I saw a police officer approach him and it seemed to me that the police officer was quite strident. He went up very close to Iva.
Yes. How close?---Certainly in his personal space. I would think quite up close to his face.
Did you see whether they spoke with each other?---They did speak with each other.
Were you able to overhear anything said between them?---Not really.
Did you continue to watch them or were you turning back to the - - - ?---I did turn back briefly to watching the goings on out the front of the DPP.
And so how long were you watching over at the police officer?---Well, only probably - probably only a few seconds before I turned back because there was more going on - - -
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So having turned back to look at the speaker or the front of the building, what was the next thing that you saw concerning Iva?---Well, I turned back towards them because I heard basically raised voices.
About how long after your earlier observation of the police officer coming over and speaking to him?---This all took place in a very short period of time. I would even say less than a minute.
Okay. So you turned back - sorry, you said because what, because you heard some - - - ?---I heard raised voices.
Did you see what was happening when you turned back?---Yes.
What was happening?---The police officer that initially went up to speak to Iva was now quite aggressive and was saying something along the lines of, 'What did you say to me, what did you say to me, what did you say to me?'
Did you hear those words?---Yes.
What is it about the officer's behaviour or voice that causes you to describe him as being quite aggressive?---Well, basically he was continuing asking this question over and over again and his demeanour reminded me of somebody who was basically looking for a fight. That's the only way I can describe it.
What was Mr HaywardJackson doing at this time?---He looked shocked and surprised and he was moving, moving trying to move away, I think
What happened next?---Well, the police officer continued his aggressiveness and Iva backed away and during that time Iva stepped on to the road.
What happened then?---Basically other police officers came in and they restrained Iva.
And did they take him away?---Yes.
Did you at any point hear Iva - that's Mr HaywardJackson shouting?---Possibly, but I can't really recall.
Do you recall hearing anything that he said? What were the words that he said?---I don't recall hearing any words that he said.