Proposed Appeal Grounds 1, 3, 4 & 5 - Dominant purpose
47 Central to Optus' argument is that the primary judge should have found that the affidavit evidence of Optus' General Counsel, Mr Kusalic, was conclusive on the question of dominant purpose. The primary judge carefully considered the evidence of Mr Kusalic as being one of the relevant minds but nevertheless found, on the totality of the evidence, that his state of mind and conduct was only part of the analysis. The primary judge found, correctly, that the states of mind of the CEO and the other board members were, on the evidence, also highly relevant to ascertaining the state of mind of Optus given Optus' multiple purposes for procuring the Deloitte Report. The primary judge also, correctly, examined primary documents and drew appropriate inferences from a consideration of the evidence as a whole.
48 The primary judge found that Optus had multiple purposes including:
(i) a legal advice or litigation or regulatory proceeding purpose;
(ii) a purpose more generally to identify the circumstances and root causes of the cyber-attack for management purposes;
(iii) a purpose of reviewing Optus management's policies and processes in relation to cyber risk: PJ [120]-[123].
49 Before the primary judge, Optus did not dispute that the non-privileged purposes in items (ii) and (iii) above existed, but it did not adduce "focused and specific evidence" (Barnes at [18]) to establish that the legal purpose under item (i) was the dominant purpose. The primary judge found, correctly in our view, that Optus failed to discharge its onus to show that the legal purpose was dominant: PJ [3] and [167].
50 In large part that is because:
(a) Optus adduced little evidence as to the predominance of the legal purpose for procuring the Deloitte Report against a background where there existed non-legal purposes; and
(b) Mr Kusalic's evidence did not address or even acknowledge the existence of the non-legal purposes shown by the evidence, nor explain or attempt to contextualise the non-legal purposes as opposed to the legal purpose and thereby establish that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose.
51 In particular, Mr Kusalic did not explain or contextualise the non-legal purposes averted to by Optus' media release of 3 October 2022 (extracted above at [13]), which said that Ms Bayer Rosmarin, Optus' CEO, had recommended the Deloitte review which had been "supported unanimously by the Singtel board". The release described the proposed Deloitte investigation as an "independent external review of the recent cyber-attack, and [Optus'] security systems, controls and purposes". The media release attributed the following to the CEO:
This review will help ensure we understand how [the cyber-attack] occurred and how we can prevent it from occurring again. It will help inform the response to the incident for Optus. This may also help others in the public and private sector where sensitive data is held and risk of cyberattack exists.
I am committed to rebuilding trust with our customers and this important process will assist those efforts.
: PJ [29]-[32], [124]-[126].
52 Those non-legal purposes for undertaking the Deloitte review were also referred to in the revised circular resolution passed by the Board on 11 October 2022 (extracted above at [16]): PJ [38]-[43], [147]-[157], which said:
The directors of Optus RESOLVE:
(a) that Deloitte be appointed to undertake independent external forensic reviews of the Cyberattack, including:
1. to identify the circumstances and root causes leading to the Cyberattack;
2. to review Optus's management of cyber risk in the context of the applicable cyber risk management policies and processes in connection to the Cyberattack; and
3. to review the Cyberattack incident response, and the appropriateness of actions taken, having regard to the existing crisis management policies and procedures.
53 The primary judge was correct to find that the totality of the evidence did not indicate that Mr Kusalic's state of mind was determinative: PJ [129]-[133]. Based on Optus' own media release, it was the CEO who recommended the Deloitte review to the Board, which supported her recommendation. Mr Kusalic was a recommender to the recommender in relation to the proposed investigation, with a particular legal focus, and the evidence showed the existence of other purposes. Essentially, his Honour held that simply to show that one purpose for the creation of the Deloitte Report was so that Optus could obtain legal advice or assistance was not good enough.
54 To determine whether the evidence established that the legal purpose under item (i) set out above in paragraph 48 was the dominant purpose, the primary judge was required to consider the objective probabilities on the totality of the evidence, having proper regard to both what Optus' affidavit evidence said and what it did not say or explain. The primary judge undertook this task with particular care as is evident from his analysis: PJ [119]-[167].
55 We do not accept Optus' submission that the primary judge was bound to give overwhelming significance to Mr Kusalic's frame of mind for the purpose of establishing that the legal purpose was the dominant purpose, nor bound to accept the unchallenged evidence of Mr Kusalic. Mr Kusalic's evidence was, as the primary judge said, only part of the necessary analysis: PJ [129]-[133]. In particular, the primary judge:
(a) acknowledged that Mr Kusalic had a personal concern that the cyber-attack was likely to result in regulatory investigations and litigation and took various steps to address those risks (PJ [7]-[23], [45]-[47], [70]-[72], [76], [102]-[104]), taking note of the evidence in relation to Mr Kusalic's roles and responsibilities, but also noting that his evidence often did not identify what role he was acting in, Company Secretary or General Counsel, when taking certain actions: PJ [66]-[69], [82];
(b) took into account that Mr Kusalic subjectively wanted Deloitte to undertake the investigation for legal purposes, and always intended for Deloitte to be appointed by lawyers: PJ [74]-[75]; and
(c) considered Mr Kusalic's evidence of discussions with the CEO and other senior managers about the need for an independent review into the cyber-attack and how Deloitte was identified as a consultant to carry out a forensic investigation, but found that this evidence was "pregnant with imprecision" and had a "superficial" quality including because it was unclear who had proposed Deloitte and when. These were findings which were open to the primary judge to make: PJ [24]-[28], [105], [111]-[112], [131]-[132].
56 Optus seeks to make too much out of Mr Kusalic's evidence regarding his discussions with the CEO and other senior managers. Everything that he said about any discussions he had with the CEO and other senior managers was in two paragraphs of his affidavit, where he said the following (NK [50], [52]):
As I stated above, Optus was considering a range of investigations and in the context of that consideration Deloitte had been proposed to assist Optus in carrying out an investigation into the Cyber-attack and Optus' response. I had various discussions with members of the senior management team at Optus [there setting out the names and titles of the CEO and relevant senior managers] as to how we could best utilise Deloitte's expertise to assist me and Ashurst to give legal advice and manage the legal risk. We ultimately landed on Deloitte carrying out a forensic investigation into the root cause of the Cyber-attack and Optus' response to it.
…
Based on these discussions, we recommended to the SOPL Board that Deloitte be engaged to carry out a forensic investigation into the Cyber-attack and Optus' response to it, which would assist me, my team and Ashurst (and counsel briefed by Ashurst) in advising Optus in relation to the multiple legal risks and matters arising from the Cyber-attack as I have explained above.
57 That evidence confirmed Mr Kusalic's purpose, and his evidence overall indicates that from the outset he was concerned to obtain a report from Deloitte to assist him, his legal team, Ashurst and counsel briefed by Ashurst to provide advice in relation to the litigation and regulatory investigation risks he perceived. Nothing in the evidence indicates that his purpose changed. But Mr Kusalic's evidence as to those discussions is both general and vague. For example, he did not say when or where those discussions took place, he did not say whether they were joint discussions, or whether he met individually with the CEO and the senior managers. In particular, he did not say anything about the other reasons for the investigation which the CEO publicly said existed in the media release, or which the Board had recorded in the circular resolution confirming Deloitte's appointments, nor did he say anything as to whether he was aware from any of the other senior Optus managers he spoke to that they wanted information from Deloitte's investigation for other reasons.
58 Nor did he expressly state that the primary or dominant purpose of the CEO or the senior managers he spoke to for procuring the Deloitte Report was the legal purpose. The highest his evidence went was to say that based on those discussions "we" recommended that Deloitte be engaged "which would assist me, my team and Ashurst (and counsel briefed by Ashurst) in advising Optus in relation to the multiple legal risks and matters arising from the Cyber-attack" (emphasis added). We can accept that the CEO and other senior managers might expect that the proposed report by Deloitte would assist Mr Kusalic, his team, Ashurst and counsel to provide legal advice, but in circumstances where the evidence showed multiple purposes that evidence was inadequate to show that that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. It would have been straightforward for Mr Kusalic to explain that in the discussions to which he referred it had been decided that the non-legal purposes expressed by the CEO and by the Board had either become subsidiary or had fallen away, but he did not. We cannot accept the submission of Mr Finch SC, Senior Counsel for Optus, that while Mr Kusalic's affidavit did not engage in "the New South Wales fetish of direct speech", his evidence "perfectly clearly" summarises the discussions Mr Kusalic had. That is simply not the case.
59 As the primary judge found, the words attributed to the CEO in the 3 October 2022 media release "manifested a dominant purpose which was other than a legal advice or litigation purpose" (PJ [79]), yet Mr Kusalic did not explain or contextualise those non-legal purposes as opposed to his legal purpose, let alone give "focused and specific evidence" in that regard so to prove that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose.
60 The primary judge's analysis took into account other contemporaneous documentary evidence and inferences that arose from the evidence as a whole. These included that the primary judge:
(a) gave detailed consideration to Optus' public statements in relation to Deloitte's investigation between 3 October 2022 and 9 March 2023, including specific words attributed to the CEO in the 3 October 2022 media release: PJ [29]-[33], [56]-[57], [63]-[64], [116]-[117]. His Honour concluded, correctly in our view, that Ms Bayer Rosmarin's statements that:
(i) "the forensic review would play a crucial role in the response to the incident for Optus, as it works to support customers";
(ii) "…we are determined to find out what went wrong. This review will help ensure we understand how it occurred, and how we can prevent it from occurring again. It will help inform the response to the incident for Optus…"; and
(iii) "I am committed to rebuilding trust with our customers and this important process will assist those efforts";
did not suggest a dominant legal purpose, but did suggest that the dominant purpose in the mind of Ms Bayer Rosmarin and the Board was not a defensive legal or litigation strategy but to "identify the cause of what occurred so that rectification steps could be carried out to prevent a recurrence": PJ [124]-[126], [137]-[138];
(b) carefully considered the terms of the draft and final resolutions confirming the engagement of Deloitte and the history of the amendments to the resolution drafted by Mr Kusalic which resulted in the deletion of the draft term which would have delegated power over the report to Mr Kusalic, and instead required all Optus management to report to the Board in relation to Deloitte's "reviews", for which there was "no explanation": PJ [38]-[43], [147]-[150], [158] and [165];
(c) gave detailed consideration to the communications between Mr Kusalic and the Board around that time, including where Mr Kusalic described Deloitte's appointment by reference to the announcement and without reference to a legal purpose: PJ [38]-[43], [147]-[150] and [165]; and
(d) considered the fact that Deloitte had already commenced work before the Deloitte engagement letter of 21 October 2022 was issued in circumstances where it was not clear that that work was being done under the auspices of Ashurst: PJ [157]-[164].
61 The primary judge took into account, correctly in our view, that no evidence was given directly by the CEO, or the Board members, concerning the purpose of the investigation and said that Optus' failure to adduce evidence from its CEO fortified the conclusion that Optus had not established that the legal purpose for the investigation was the dominant purpose: PJ [139]. In Hancock v Rinehart (Privilege) [2016] NSWSC 12 at [7], Brereton J emphasised the need for a party claiming privilege to do so by admissible direct evidence, not hearsay. His Honour said:
To sustain a claim of privilege, the claimant must not merely assert it; but must prove the facts that establish that it is properly made. Thus a mere sworn assertion that the documents are privileged does not suffice, because it is an inadmissible assertion of law; the claimant must set out the facts from which the court can see that the assertion is rightly made, or in other words "expose … facts from which the [court] would have been able to make an informed decision as to whether the claim was supportable". The evidence must reveal the relevant characteristics of each document in respect of which privilege is claimed, and must do so by admissible direct evidence, not hearsay.
(Emphasis added. Footnotes omitted.)
62 That passage has been cited with approval in Martin v Norton Rose Fulbright Australia [2019] FCA 1101 at [54], [63] (White J); Quach v MLC Life Ltd (No 2) [2019] FCA 1322 at [8] (Griffiths J); Friday v Minister for Primary Industry and Resources [2020] FCA 984 at [24] (SC Derrington J); Attorney-General (NSW) v Melco Resorts & Entertainment Ltd [2020] NSWCA 40; 102 NSWLR 47; 380 ALR 1 at [76] (Bathurst CJ, Bell P and Gleeson JA); and Australian Securities and Investments Commission v RI Advice Group Pty Ltd [2020] FCA 1277; 148 ACSR 1 at [42] (O'Callaghan J).
63 Here, not only did Optus not put on direct evidence from Ms Bayer Rosmarin or any Board member, Mr Kusalic's evidence did not even provide hearsay evidence, on the basis of information and belief, as to Ms Bayer Rosmarin's state of mind, or as to the state of mind of the Board members to the extent that he talked to them. Such evidence would have been admissible: s 75 of the Evidence Act 1995 (Cth). Evidence as to their state of mind was critically relevant once it is appreciated that the media release and the circular resolution showed the existence of non-legal purposes for procuring the Deloitte Report.
64 Optus' submission that no Jones v Dunkel inference could be drawn must be rejected. First, a Jones v Dunkel inference can be drawn in the context of a parties' claim for privilege: RI Advice Group at [48]-[49]; Perry v Powercor Australia Ltd [2011] VSC 308 at [72] (Robson J); Powercor Australia Ltd v Perry [2011] VSCA 239; 33 VR 548 at [26]-[28] (Warren CJ, Nettle and Tate JJA). There was evidence before his Honour as to a multiplicity of purposes for commissioning the Deloitte Report. The media release showed that Ms Bayer Rosmarin had recommended its commissioning and had expressed non-legal purposes for doing so, and the Board had unanimously agreed with that recommendation. Optus had the burden of establishing that the legal purpose was the dominant purpose for which the Deloitte Report was commissioned and therefore Ms Bayer Rosmarin's purpose was of considerable importance. The applicants' failure to call her to give evidence was bound to be regarded as significant.
65 Second, Optus' contention that it was not open to draw a Jones v Dunkel inference when Mr Kusalic had provided "direct evidence of conversations he had with the CEO about the reasons for engaging Deloitte" must be rejected. As we have said, the only evidence Mr Kusalic gave as to his discussions with Ms Bayer Rosmarin was in [50] and [52] of his affidavit (extracted above at [56]) in which he said he had discussions with her and other senior managers "as to how we could best utilise Deloitte's expertise to assist me and Ashurst to give legal advice and manage the legal risk". That primarily spoke to his purpose for obtaining the Deloitte Report, and he did not say anything about Ms Bayer Rosmarin's non-legal purposes, or what she said at the time, so as to establish that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. The primary judge did not err in using Jones v Dunkel to more readily infer that her evidence would not have assisted Optus' claim for privilege. Nor, contrary to Optus' submissions, did the primary judge err in finding that the best evidence of Ms Bayer Rosmarin's purpose was what she said in the 3 October 2022 media release.
66 The primary judge was not obliged to treat Mr Kusalic's evidence as determinative regarding the purpose of the Deloitte Report merely because he was not cross-examined on that evidence. Optus' repeated submission that his evidence was 'unchallenged' and must be accepted is misconceived. It may, depending on the particular circumstances of a case, be "wrong, unreasonable or perverse" to reject unchallenged evidence, and such an error may be a basis for overturning a decision, but there is no rule of law that a court must accept unchallenged evidence: Ashby at [78] citing Ellis v Wallsend District Hospital (1989) 17 NSWLR 553 at 587-588 (Samuels JA). The fact that generalised evidence is not challenged in cross-examination does not mean that such evidence must be accepted, particularly when it is inadequate and the totality of the evidence points to its rejection, as it did in this case.
67 The primary judge found that Mr Kusalic's evidence neither had the requisite quality of precision in relation to what it did address, nor did it address contemporaneous documents which pointed in the opposite direction, such as the 3 October 2022 media release, and that Mr Kusalic's evidence did not establish that the legal purpose of which Mr Kusalic gave evidence was Optus' dominant purpose. Those were findings which were open to the primary judge. That was so because Mr Kusalic's evidence had the deficiencies set out at paragraphs 57 to 58 above.
68 A proper consideration of the primary judge's analysis reveals that it was open to the primary judge to find that Mr Kusalic's evidence was vague, generalised, and ambiguous in key respects.
69 Faced with an absence of evidence from Optus on critical matters upon which it bore the onus, the primary judge did not err in:
(a) finding that the relevant state of mind to attribute to Optus was referable to Optus' CEO, and the other Board members, as well as Mr Kusalic: PJ [128]-[133]; or
(b) relying upon evidence not adduced by Optus in seeking to determine the subjective purpose held by Optus' CEO, and the Board: PJ [120]-[127], [137]-[138] as viewed within the context of all the circumstances which the primary judge set out in detail: PJ [140]-[164].
70 Much of Optus' submissions were devoted to the contention that the primary judge had improperly criticised Mr Kusalic's evidence in circumstances where none of those matters had been put to him, and that his Honour had erred by making findings of misleading behaviour by Mr Kusalic, in an attempt to bolster its argument that the primary judge erred in not accepting his unchallenged evidence. In this regard Optus principally relied on the primary judge's remarks that:
(a) critical aspects of Mr Kusalic's evidence were "decidedly and no doubt self- advisedly vague": PJ [83];
(b) Mr Kusalic made "vague statements on matters of significance" which justified giving them reduced weight: PJ [127];
(c) "I am fortified in my analysis by the vagueness in how Mr Kusalic expressed himself in his evidence": PJ [131];
(d) Mr Kusalic's explanation for the amendment to the circular resolution was "less than transparent": PJ [158];
(e) "Clearly, endeavours to cloak the Deloitte review with legal professional privilege were more to the fore in late October 2022 than they were at the start of the month.": PJ [164]; and
(f) "I cannot help thinking that if the dominant purpose of Optus was as Mr Kusalic now says it is, he would not have drafted his 9 October 2022 email or the draft or final resolutions on 9 and 11 October 2022 respectively as they were expressed…To some degree this is speculation, but I have an uncomfortable sense that important aspects of Mr Kusalic's affidavit concerning the time-frame prior to mid-October 2022 has involved an element of reconstruction": PJ [165].
71 Senior Counsel for Optus submits that one of the "most disturbing aspects" of the primary judgment is that his Honour found that the events in late October 2022 constituted an attempt by Mr Kusalic to cloak what was not, by then, Optus' dominant purpose of obtaining legal advice with the appearance of a dominant purpose of legal advice. He contends that, as Optus only relied on Mr Kusalic's evidence, the reference to "endeavours to cloak" must be a reference to Mr Kusalic's conduct, and it carried the finding that he endeavoured to disguise or mislead the Court as to the true position in relation to Optus' purpose. Senior Counsel went as far as to submit that:
…the importance of his Honour's finding is that there must be, in those circumstances then, an initial state of mind, in [Mr Kusalic's mind], then a change in corporate mind - in the minds of the CEO and the board, being apparently representative of that - and a decision to cloak that by Mr Kusalic and, presumably, the board and the CEO, by engaging in modifying the letters of engagement, so that they falsely represent a dominant purpose, which, by then, was not true.
72 Those criticisms of the primary judge's reasons are overstated.
73 First, it should be understood that the respondents did not contend below that Mr Kusalic's evidence should be disbelieved, or that his evidence showed that he had engaged in misleading behaviour by asserting that Optus' purpose for obtaining the Deloitte Report was the legal purpose. Their case was that Mr Kusalic's evidence was insufficient to establish that Optus' dominant purpose for obtaining the Deloitte Report was the legal purpose. There was no requirement for the primary judge to express any concluded view as to Mr Kusalic's credit.
74 Second, the notion that the primary judge found that Mr Kusalic, the CEO and the Board had an initial view, which they then altered, and were each then engaged in an attempt to deceive in relation to Optus' purpose for commissioning the Deloitte Report is a construction without foundation. The primary judge did not find that. The primary judge was satisfied that Mr Kusalic's purpose was the legal purpose throughout but, having regard to the evidence that the CEO and the Board had other purposes, his evidence was insufficient for the conclusion that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. The notion that the CEO and the Board shared Mr Kusalic's purpose is grounded in [50] and [52] of his affidavit, which evidence is vague and inconclusive, and does not establish that.
75 Third, contrary to Optus' submissions, the primary judge's remarks at PJ [83], [127], [131] and [158] do not constitute adverse findings as to Mr Kusalic's credit, integrity or probity. The central thrust of those remarks is that the primary judge found Mr Kusalic's evidence to be vague in relation to some matters of significance, and that his evidence in relation to the change between the initial and the revised circular resolution was not explained. His Honour was not there saying that Mr Kusalic had not been candid or had sought to mislead.
76 To determine whether the evidence established that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose the primary judge was required to consider the objective probabilities on the totality of the evidence, having proper regard to both what Mr Kusalic's evidence said and what he did not say or adequately explain. Having regard to Mr Kusalic's affidavit, it was open to the primary judge to find that his evidence was vague on important matters and unclear on the matter to which it referred. Indeed, in our view his Honour was correct in so finding.
77 The situation is a little different in relation to the primary judge's use of the expression "self-advisedly vague": PJ [83]. Senior Counsel for Optus submits that expression steps across the line in Kuhl, and says that the primary judge there found that "Mr Kusalic was clearly and deliberately vague about critical aspects of his evidence, which can only mean the dominant purpose, because nothing else was critical. So it's quite clearly, then, an express finding about his credit, and his integrity and his probity."
78 That contention is overblown. Mr Kusalic is a solicitor giving evidence in relation to a claim for privilege, and in that sense he can be said to be self-advised. And his evidence in relation to the non-legal purposes expressed by Ms Bayer Rosmarin and the SOPL Board was vague and inadequate to establish that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. To the extent that the expression "self-advisedly vague" might be read to carry the implication that Mr Kusalic's evidence was deliberately vague, we accept that it should not have been said. But it is an exaggeration to describe it as an attack on Mr Kusalic's credit, integrity and probity when the primary judge clearly accepted Mr Kusalic's evidence as to his purpose for procuring the Deloitte Report. The inadequacy in his evidence as found by the primary judge was not in relation to his credibility but that, in circumstances where the evidence showed that Optus had multiple purposes, his evidence did not address, or even acknowledge, the existence of the non-legal purposes nor explain or attempt to contextualise the non-legal purposes as opposed to the legal purpose, and thereby prove that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose.
79 Fourth, Optus' submissions that the primary judge erred in finding that Mr Kusalic had "endeavoured to cloak", or in other words disguise the true position in relation to Optus' purpose, and that his evidence was a "reconstruction" are centrally based in the primary judge's remarks at PJ [164] and [165]. On a fair reading of the primary judge's reasons, those remarks are not findings at all, and they do not have the significance that Optus seeks to give them.
80 It is unnecessary for us to summarise the primary judge's reasons, and it suffices to note that his Honour's approach to the questions raised by the application was painstakingly thorough and careful. By the time his Honour got to PJ [164] and [165] he had repeatedly explained the basis for his view that, in circumstances where the evidence showed that Ms Bayer Rosmarin and the Board had several non-legal purposes for seeking the Deloitte Report, Mr Kusalic's evidence regarding the legal purpose for the report was inadequate to establish that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. None of that, or his Honour's repeated statements about the inadequacy of Mr Kusalic's evidence, was based on any finding that Mr Kusalic had sought to mislead the Court as to the true position regarding Optus' dominant purpose.
81 At PJ [161] his Honour reiterated his conclusion that he was not satisfied that the legal purpose was Optus' dominant purpose. Then, in something of an addendum, the primary judge said that "[t]wo other points should also be made": PJ [163]. His Honour then made the impugned remarks in the following two paragraphs, PJ [164] and [165]. Importantly, his Honour concluded (at PJ [166]) by stating:
Now, there has been no cross examination so I cannot make hard findings.
On a fair reading of the primary judge's reasons, at PJ [164] and [165] his Honour noted two matters that concerned him about Mr Kusalic's evidence, but then said, correctly, that in the absence of cross examination he could not make findings in that regard.
82 Optus argues, in reliance on Kuhl at [75], that there was no point in the trial judge mentioning his view as to those parts of Mr Kusalic's evidence unless it played a role in his decision adverse to Optus. We take a different view. First, considered textually we see those remarks as an addendum and far from central to the decision. Second, in Kuhl the trial judge did not expressly say that he was not making a finding. Here, his Honour did.
83 Fifth, the primary judge's remarks in PJ [164] and [165] are not material to his Honour's conclusion that Optus had not discharged the onus of establishing its claim of privilege. If those criticisms are put to one side, it would remain our view that the primary judge's judgment is not attended with sufficient doubt to warrant the grant of leave. It would remain the case that we consider the primary judge was correct to find that there were multiple purposes for which the Deloitte Report was commissioned and that the evidence did not establish that it was procured for the dominant purpose of Optus obtaining legal advice or for use in litigation or regulatory proceedings.