[2025] NSWCATAD 197
General information, not legal advice.
NCAT Administrative and Equal Opportunity
2025-08-11
Emeritus Prof P, Foreman AM
Original judgment source is linked above.
Appeals to the Supreme Court and NSW Court of Appeal
3 Object of Act
The object of this Act is to protect children -
(a) by not permitting certain persons to engage in child-related work, and
(b) by requiring persons engaged in child-related work to have working with children check clearances.
Paramount consideration in the operation of the Act
4 Safety, welfare and well-being of children to be paramount consideration
The safety, welfare and well-being of children and, in particular, protecting them from child abuse, is the paramount consideration in the operation of this Act.
Definitions and meanings given to certain relevant terms
"One does not define risk as meaning minimal risk. One would... exclude fanciful or theoretical risk but what one is looking for is whether, in all the circumstances, there is a real and appreciable risk in the sense of a risk that is greater than the risk of any adult preying on a child. One, however, must link the word 'risk' with the words that follow, namely 'to the safety of children'..."
Jurisdiction of the Tribunal is protective, and not punitive, in nature
"Legislation such as [the Act] is, by its nature, protective; it does not impose penalties on individuals but is more closely analogous to licensing legislation which is designed to protect the public from persons who are not of good character or otherwise cannot be trusted to maintain professional discipline and trust in the exercise of authority or power over others."
Framework in the Act relating to disqualified persons
Obligation to fully disclose relevant matters to the Tribunal
Mandatory considerations under s 30(1) of the Act to determine risk and make an enabling order
30 Determination of applications and other matters
(1) The Tribunal must consider the following in determining an application under this Part -
(a) the seriousness of the offences with respect to which the person is a disqualified person or any matters that caused a refusal of a clearance or imposition of an interim bar,
(b) the period of time since those offences or matters occurred and the conduct of the person since they occurred,
(c) the age of the person at the time the offences or matters occurred,
(d) the age of each victim of any relevant offence or conduct at the time they occurred and any matters relating to the vulnerability of the victim,
(e) the difference in age between the victim and the person and the relationship (if any) between the victim and the person,
(f) whether the person knew, or could reasonably have known, that the victim was a child,
(g) the person's present age,
(h) the seriousness of the person's criminal history and the conduct of the person since the matters occurred,
(i) the likelihood of any repetition by the person of the offences or conduct and the impact on children of any such repetition,
(i1) any order of a court or tribunal that is in force in relation to the person,
(j) any information given by the applicant in, or in relation to, the application,
(j1) any relevant information in relation to the person that was obtained in accordance with section 36A,
(k) any other matters that the Children's Guardian considers necessary.
Further considerations under s 30(1A) of the Act before making an order under Part 4 of the Act
(1A) The Tribunal may not make an order under this Part which has the effect of enabling a person (the affected person) to work with children in accordance with this Act unless the Tribunal is satisfied that -
(a) a reasonable person would allow his or her child to have direct contact with the affected person that was not directly supervised by another person while the affected person was engaged in any child-related work, and
(b) it is in the public interest to make the order.
"... The reasonable person would, in reaching his or her conclusions, acquaint himself or herself with all of the matters that have been placed before me, giving an applicant for a positive assessment a right to be heard, as well as considering the material gathered by the Secretary. A reasonable person would not approach the task with a closed mind, thinking that once a person has offended, he or she can never be redeemed. The reasonable person, however, would not put aside all scepticism and reasonable caution in this most difficult area in some over-optimistic attempt to facilitate rehabilitation."
"In order to properly consider this test, a 'reasonable person' would need to know about the disqualifying offence, the circumstances surrounding offence, the applicant's entire criminal history, the length of time since those offences occurred, his conduct since then and any expert assessment made for him."
"The expression "in the public interest" directs attention to that conclusion or determination that best serves the advancement of the interest or welfare of the public, society or the nation and its content will depend on each particular set of circumstances."
"The term 'in the public interest' is one of broad import. When used in a statute, the term classically imports a discretionary value judgment to be made by reference to undefined factual matters confined only by the subject matter, scope and purpose of the statute in question."
"When used in a statute, the term derives its content from 'the subject matter and the scope and purpose' of the enactment in which it appears. The court is not free to apply idiosyncratic notions of public interest."
"The public interest is a term embracing matters, among others, of standards of human conduct and of the functioning of government and government instrumentalities tacitly accepted and acknowledged to be for the good order of society and for the well being of its members. The interest is therefore the interest of the public as distinct from the interest of an individual or individuals."
"In the context of the right to work, the tribunal has (in my view, correctly) taken into account the public interest in enabling persons to engage in their chosen field of employment or in the field in which they are most suited to work, in not lightly turning people away from their commitment to a chosen career and in encouraging people to use their qualifications, experience and expertise for the benefit of others."
Mandatory considerations in s 30(1)(a)-(k) of the Act
The seriousness of the offences with respect to which the person is a disqualified person or any matters that caused a refusal of a clearance or imposition of an interim bar: s 30(1)(a)
Any person who commits an act of indecency with or towards a person under the age of 16 years, or incites a person under that age to an act of indecency with or towards that or another person, is liable to imprisonment for 2 years.
The period of time since those offences or matters occurred and the conduct of the person since they occurred: s 30(1)(b)
The age of the person at the time the offences or matters occurred: s 30(1)(c)
The age of each victim of any relevant offence or conduct at the time they occurred and any matters relating to the vulnerability of the victim: s 30(1)(d)
The difference in age between the victim and the person and the relationship (if any) between the victim and the person: s 30(e)
Whether the person knew, or could reasonably have known, that the victim was a child: s 30(f)
The person's present age: s 30(1)(g)
The seriousness of the person's criminal history and the conduct of the person since the matters occurred: s 30(1)(h)
The likelihood of any repetition by the person of the offences or conduct and the impact on children of any such repetition: s 30(1)(i)
"Taking static and dynamic factors of his life into account, in my respectful view, there is nothing in the present to contraindicate [the applicant] being granted a Working with Children Clearance. I say this advisedly, in the context of his maturation over the past 15 years, the support of his wife, family and significant others in his life, an absence of any illicit drug use or alcohol abuse, his expressions of remorse and his insight to the dynamics surrounding his offending at the time. In general terms it is clear that he has matured and learnt from his past experience, which is well expressed in his letter of apology. Taking these factors into account, I believe the risk of reoffending is low. This is the lowest risk of the risk offending categories, bearing in mind that he has one prior exposure to the criminal justice system, some 15 years ago."
Any order of a court or tribunal that is in force in relation to the person: s 30(1)(i1)
Any information given by the applicant in, or in relation to, the application: s 30(1)(j)
"Looking back now that my daughter is almost the same age as [the victim] was at the time, I cannot express enough how deeply sorry I am for my actions and the consequences they brought upon others and myself."
Any relevant information in relation to the person that was obtained in accordance with section 36A: s 30(1)(j1)
Any other matters that the Children's Guardian considers necessary: s 30(1)(k)
Assessment as to whether the applicant is a risk to the safety of children
(1) the Disqualifying Offence was a one-off occurrence, with the applicant having no prior, and no subsequent, criminal history;
(2) the Disqualifying Offence was at the lower end of seriousness, with no conviction recorded, and the applicant adhered to the conditions of his 12 month good behaviour bond (now expired);
(3) more than 17 years have elapsed since the time of the offence, with no other criminal conduct by the applicant and no charges or allegations made against him;
(4) at the time of the offence, the applicant had only just turned 18, and was relatively immature and naïve. He is now 35, more mature and has responsibilities as a husband and father;
(5) the applicant has expressed genuine, deep remorse for his offending conduct;
(6) the applicant has accepted responsibility for his offending conduct;
(7) the applicant has expressed insight into his conduct and insight into the impact of his conduct upon the victim; and
(8) in the opinion of the expert Consultant Psychologist, the risk of the applicant reoffending is low (noting that this is the lowest of the risk offending categories).
Reasonable person and public interest tests: s 30(1A) of the Act
(1) that in the past 17 years the applicant has not been the subject of any complaints, charges or convictions;
(2) that the applicant is not known to have engaged in any other concerning behaviour towards children;
(3) that the applicant's brother-in-law often leaves his two children with the applicant and trusts the applicant to look after them.
(1) Pursuant to s 28(1) of the Child Protection (Working with Children) Act 2012 (NSW), the Tribunal declares that the applicant is not to be treated as a disqualified person for the purpose of that Act in respect of an offence contrary to s 61N(1) of the Crimes Act 1900 of which he was found guilty on 17 December 2010, but without proceeding to a conviction.
(2) Pursuant to s 28(6) of the Child Protection (Working with Children) Act 2012 (NSW), the Tribunal orders the Children's Guardian to grant the applicant a Working with Children Check Clearance forthwith.
I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for decision of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of New South Wales.
15 August 2025 - Identifiers removed from Paragraph [22].
GTN
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