[2024] FWC 1137
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2024-05-02
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.365 - General protections
Application to deal with contraventions involving dismissal - jurisdictional objection - whether the employee was dismissed at the employer's initiative - jurisdictional objection upheld - application dismissed.
"365 Application for the FWC to deal with a dismissal dispute
(b) the person, or an industrial association that is entitled to represent the industrial interests of the person, alleges that the person was dismissed in contravention of this Part;
the person, or the industrial association, may apply to the FWC for the FWC to deal with the dispute."
(a) the person's employment with his or her employer has been terminated on the employer's initiative; or
(b) the person has resigned from his or her employment, but was forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by his or her employer.
(a) the person was employed under a contract of employment for a specified period of time, for a specified task, or for the duration of a specified season, and the employment has terminated at the end of the period, on completion of the task, or at the end of the season; or
(ii) whose employment was for a specified period of time or was, for any reason, limited to the duration of the training arrangement;
and the employment has terminated at the end of the training arrangement; or
(i) the demotion does not involve a significant reduction in his or her remuneration or duties; and
(ii) he or she remains employed with the employer that effected the demotion.
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person employed under a contract of a kind referred to in paragraph (2)(a) if a substantial purpose of the employment of the person under a contract of that kind is, or was at the time of the person's employment, to avoid the employer's obligations under this Part."
Events culminating in a resignation of employment
"My stress and anxiety levels are extremely high at the moment with all of these issues going on and I'm barely sleeping unable to stop stressing about work issues.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to be in tonight or tomorrow for mental health reasons / to see a gp for more help."
Mr Thomson: Hi Sean, just tried to call you to see how your are and how you are feeling about work. Need to plan a training shift so we can solve the run issues. So we need know when you may be back and what you want to do about work or other options is night patrol no longer what you want. Please call me Jamie
Mr McAndrew: Hi Jamie I'm honestly not doing great or ready to come back but don't have much choice - what are the stress leave option in place as I need more time - it's been 13 days without response to my emails about some of the issues happening has anything been resolved?
Mr Thomson: Hi Sean tried to call you to discuss. I have been waiting for you to return to work to discuss the issues you are having on the run and ways to do it more efficient.
As far as time off how long do you need? We don't want you back if you are not ready and just adding more stress. You have no personal leave left but can take leave without pay until ready to return, please supply a med cert for this.
We need to be able to plan for your absence as can't keep covering rosters last minute. Please advise when you think a suitable return to work will be or a time to come in and discuss with myself and the HR team
I'm handing in my resignation to you as of right now."
Mr McAndrew: I won't be making my shifts next 2 night - email has been sent to Ken
Mr Thomson: Hi Sean Ken has forwarded ema to me and I have replied to you. Please return all uniforms as soon as possible
Your resignation has been accepted and I will process the paperwork now.
Please return all of your uniforms as soon as possible."
Mr Lynis: Hi Sean, it's Shane Lynis here, I was asked by Jamie to give you a call to see if you're coming back to work this weekend.
Mr McAndrew: No, I'm not coming back until all my issues are fixed.
Mr McAndrew: I'm not real happy. I've put feelers out. As soon as I find something else, I'm out of here.
Are you happy for me to give him your email and phone number?
His claims are lies stating that Ken and I have told him or others not to check doors and submit false reports. Happy to fight this if my name is going to be slandered and will call on many other patrol officers as witness.
How do I contact HR I will need to speak with them this week on my own after seeking legal advice."
My sincere apologies for Friday - I was distracted by some changes in Head Office. Can we connect today?
Following on from my message on Monday, can you please let me know if we can connect today or tomorrow?
Mr McAndrew: Don't even bother you obviously can't do your job Oliver!
Jesse do you have a plan in place to cover him not being here all weekend, I notice the shifts you did have covered are now blank?"
After trying Sean on Monday and messaging, I followed up again today, no answer, but he has just responded to my follow-up text by stating:
"Don't even bother you obviously can't do your job Oliver! Don't contact me again!"
Can I suggest someone else try and make contact with Sean?
Sean's message is highly inappropriate despite my best efforts to contact him. We will need to address this behaviour with him along with the performance matters.
Whomever is contacting Sean, the key is to try and get him back to work so that we can discuss his concerns, however we need to commence the performance management process immediately thereafter.
"Shane can you try as he has not answered any of my attempts to call him and only does texts or emails.
Doesn't sound as if he's interested in coming back".
I spoke to Sean on the phone, and he stated the following:
I asked if he was planning on leaving and he stated he wasn't.
Mr Lynis: Jamie has tried calling you to arrange a meeting, so we can discuss these concerns. When do you think you'll be back at work?
Mr Lynis: Are you willing to sit down and have a meeting with Jamie to discuss your concerns?
Mr McAndrew: No, I'm not interested in talking with Jamie.
Mr McAndrew: No. If he can't be bothered to turn up to a meeting.
Mr Lynis: OK then I'll let Jamie know. See you on Wednesday. Thank you.
You have put on the PO1 that no meal break taken but the car was back at the depot before 5am and parked up in garage engine off at 0507.
You also have booked yourself on site at [site] for a casual patrol at 0437 and [site] at 0503 which GPS does not show you at those locations.
You are not to press arrive at any site you are not at. This can lead to ACC regarding as falsifying records and fraud for services charged that have not been completed.
Return to depot is not to be before 0545, all alarms are to be accepted up to 0545, if you finish late you will be paid for it.
I have ended your shift at 0515 and put it down as no break. I am not paying for being at the depot from 5am.
Please continue to work on missed tags great improvement so far.
Mr McAndrew: No break taken is pretty normal for me if you check all my run sheets as if I stop driving fatigue takes over - had a brand new trainee using the phone last night so bound to be mistakes that last night - wasn't advised [site] tag had been replaced as it hasn't been working for a long time for me so I reported that issues.
I was spoken to by Dennis at start of shift about [site] and told we've never physically checked doors at this site as we can just look at them to see if they are locked and Jamie's knows this - also he said it should only take 10-20 min to patrol this site but he trained me to hit the tag do a slow lap of car park driving so it looks like we did something and go taking about 3 min?"
I'm still not ready to return to work just yet - I'll be off tonight and tomorrow again - sorry for any inconvenience caused
Do you have medical certificates for last week and these two nights?
I now it's late notice sorry - I'm just up for work and I don't have the capacity to work still my head is all over the shop - I'll be off all weekend I'm sorry
"[21] In this Commission the concepts have been addressed on numerous occasions and by a number of Full Benches. In Pawel v Advanced Precast Pty Ltd (Pawel) a Full Bench said:
"[13] It is plain that the Full Court in Mohazab considered that an important feature in the question of whether termination is at the initiative of the employer is whether the act of an employer results directly or consequentially in the termination of the employment and that the employment relationship is not voluntarily left by the employee. However, it is to be noted that the Full Court described it as an important feature. It plainly cannot be the only feature. An example will serve to illustrate this point. Suppose an employee wants a pay rise and makes such a request of his or her employer. If the employer declines and the employee, feeling dissatisfied resigns, can the resignation be said to be a termination at the initiative of the employer? We do not think it can and yet it can be said that the act of the employer i.e. refusing the pay rise, has at least consequentially resulted in the termination of the employment. This situation may be contrasted with the position where an employee is told to resign or he or she will be terminated. We think that all of the circumstances and not only the act of the employer must be examined. These in our view, will include the circumstances giving rise to the termination, the seriousness of the issues involved and the respective conduct of the employer and the employee. In the instant case the uncontested factual findings are that the applicant had for almost the whole of his employment performed welding duties; that there was no objective threat to his health and safety involved in the requirement that he undertake welding duties so long as it was not on a continuous basis and that the welding he was required to do was not continuous."
[22] In the Full Bench decision of ABB Engineering Construction Pty Ltd v Doumit (ABB Engineering) it was said:
"Often it will only be a narrow line that distinguishes conduct that leaves an employee no real choice but to resign employment, from conduct that cannot be held to cause a resultant resignation to be a termination at the initiative of the employer. But narrow though it be, it is important that that line be closely drawn and rigorously observed. Otherwise, the remedy against unfair termination of employment at the initiative of the employer may be too readily invoked in circumstances where it is the discretion of a resigning employee, rather than that of the employer, that gives rise to the termination. The remedies provided in the Act are directed to the provision of remedies against unlawful termination of employment. Where it is the immediate action of the employee that causes the employment relationship to cease, it is necessary to ensure that the employer's conduct, said to have been the principal contributing factor in the resultant termination of employment, is weighed objectively. The employer's conduct may be shown to be a sufficiently operative factor in the resignation for it to be tantamount to a reason for dismissal. In such circumstances, a resignation may fairly readily be conceived to be a termination at the initiative of the employer. The validity of any associated reason for the termination by resignation is tested. Where the conduct of the employer is ambiguous, and the bearing it has on the decision to resign is based largely on the perceptions and subjective response of the employee made unilaterally, considerable caution should be exercised in treating the resignation as other than voluntary."
[23] In our view the full statement of reasons in Mohazab which we have set out together with the further explanation by Moore J in Rheinberger and the decisions of Full Benches of this Commission in Pawel and ABB Engineering require that there to be some action on the part of the employer which is either intended to bring the employment to an end or has the probable result of bringing the employment relationship to an end. It is not simply a question of whether "the act of the employer [resulted] directly or consequentially in the termination of the employment." Decisions which adopt the shorter formulation of the reasons for decision should be treated with some caution as they may not give full weight to the decision in Mohazab. In determining whether a termination was at the initiative of the employer an objective analysis of the employer's conduct is required to determine whether it was of such a nature that resignation was the probable result or that the appellant had no effective or real choice but to resign." (footnotes omitted)
"[33] Notwithstanding that it was clearly established, prior to the enactment of the FW Act, that a "forced" resignation could constitute a termination of employment at the initiative of the employer, the legislature in s.386(1) chose to define dismissal in a way that retained the "termination at the initiative of the employer" formulation but separately provided for forced resignation. This was discussed in the Explanatory Memorandum for the Fair Work Bill as follows:
"1528. This clause sets out the circumstances in which a person is taken to be dismissed. A person is dismissed if the person's employment with his or her employer was terminated on the employer's initiative. This is intended to capture case law relating to the meaning of 'termination at the initiative of the employer' (see, e.g., Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 625; (1995) 62 IR 200).
1529. Paragraph 386(1)(b) provides that a person has been dismissed if they resigned from their employment but were forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by their employer. Conduct includes both an act and a failure to act (see the definition in clause 12).
1530. Paragraph 386(1)(b) is intended to reflect the common law concept of constructive dismissal, and allow for a finding that an employee was dismissed in the following situations:
• where the employee is effectively instructed to resign by the employer in the face of a threatened or impending dismissal; or
• where the employee quits their job in response to conduct by the employer which gives them no reasonable choice but to resign."
[34] It is apparent, as was observed in the decision of the Federal Circuit Court (Whelan J) in Wilkie v National Storage Operations Pty Ltd, that "The wording of s.386(1)(b) of the Act appears to reflect in statutory form the test developed by the Full Court of the then Industrial Relations Court of Australia in Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd (No. 1) and summarised by the Full Bench of the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in O'Meara v Stanley Works Pty Ltd" (footnotes omitted). The body of pre-FW Act decisions concerning "forced" resignations, including the decisions to which we have earlier referred, has been applied to s.386(1)(b): Bruce v Fingal Glen Pty Ltd (in liq); Ryan v ISS Integrated Facility Services Pty Ltd; Parsons v Pope Nitschke Pty Ltd ATF Pope Nitschke Unit Trust." (footnotes omitted)
• the question as to whether the resignation was forced within the meaning of the Act is a jurisdictional fact that must be established by the applicant;
• a termination at the initiative of the employer involves the conduct (or course of conduct) engaged in by the employer as the principal constituting factor leading to the termination. There must be a sufficient causal connection between the conduct and the resignation such that it "forced" the resignation;
• the employer must have engaged in some conduct that intended to bring the employment relationship to an end or had that probable result;
• considerable caution should be exercised in treating a resignation as other than voluntary where the conduct of the employer is ambiguous and it is necessary to determine whether the employer's conduct was of such a nature that resignation was the probable result such that the employee had no effective or real choice but to resign; and
• in determining the question of whether the termination was at the initiative of the employer, an objective analysis of the employer's conduct is required.
A Vlachos of Stimulus Legal & Consulting Pty Ltd, with permission, with O Vrtkovski for the Respondent.
[2] Khayam v Navitas English Pty Ltd t/a Navitas English [2017] FWCFB 5162 at [75]; see also Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd (No 2) [1995] IRCA 625; (1995) 62 IR 200.
[3] Khayam v Navitas English Pty Ltd t/a Navitas English [2017] FWCFB 5162 at [75].
[4] Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd (No 2) [1995] IRCA 625; (1995) 62 IR 200.
[5] Workplace Relations Act 1996 (Cth).
[8] Australian Hearing v Peary [2009] AIRCFB 680 (Giudice J, Kaufman SDP, Larkin C, 28 July 2009) at para. 30,
[9] O'Meara v Stanley Works Pty Ltd PR973462 (AIRCFB, Giudice J, Watson VP, Cribb C, 11 August 2006) at
[10] Ngo v Link Printing Pty Ltd Print R7005 (AIRCFB, McIntyre VP, Marsh SDP, Harrison C, 7 July 1999) at [12]; citing Minato v Palmer Corporation Ltd (1995) 63 IR 357 at pp. 361‒362; citing Sovereign House Security Services Ltd v Savage [1989] IRLR 115, 116 (May LJ).
[11] Ngo v Link Printing Pty Ltd Print R7005 (AIRCFB, McIntyre VP, Marsh SDP, Harrison C, 7 July 1999) at [12],; citing Kwik-Fit (GB) Ltd v Lineham [1992] ICR 183 at p. 191.
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