[COUNSEL FOR MR BARRY]: Can you just explain what happened on 7 September 2011?---OK. While I was talking to Dr Refaat and, ah, I said to him, look, you know, I don't want to - I knew that he was extremely tight for money as well. I said that I don't want to see the end of you. You know, I'm not doing this to get rid of you, I just - the machine is not happening and it's not happening correctly and I don't want to be associated with you. Um, but I also equally don't want to see you fail, so I was happy to lend him the money that I was raking together for payments.
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Yes. So what else was discussed on 7 September?---Um, Dr Refaat did ask me what sort of business I was going to be in. Um, and I - I said, no, I had no interest in going into the stone cutting business, or anything like that. So yes, I did say that.
The plaintiff's evidence was - ?---And I still don't have any intentions of going into the stone business.
All right. The plaintiff's evidence was that he had something on at his daughter's school and apparently you said, I don't want the machine, you didn't give any introduction to that, no explanation and the plaintiff said, "What's next?" And you said, "I'll leave it in your hands"?---I did say that.
And you said what?---Ah, I said that I'd leave it in his hands, I'm in - I'm in his hands at the moment.
All right?---At the time.
And you said you're leaving the stone industry and the machining business?---I said I had no interest in ah, going into the stone cutting business or bench top business at that particular point in time.
HIS HONOUR: Well, am I right in saying that you - you hadn't ever been in the stone cutting business in the first place?---Um, yes, Your Honour, but ah, I have been the - I have faceted gemstones and all that sort of thing. Not quite the same, but it is stone cutting.
Yes?---Um, we produce signs and it just depends on what the customer asks me to make up as to what I will do for him.
Yes?---And ah, I could see that, you know, customers were going to ask me for stone signs, it's becoming a feature these days to put a large slab of stone up with the inserts and things like that on it. So I could see interest there.
So you don't want to exclude yourself from that line of business?---Yeah, that's correct, it was my core business.