[2025] FWC 1508
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-06-05
Original judgment source is linked above.
[2025] FWC 1508 [Note: An appeal pursuant to s.604 (C2025/5552) was lodged against this decision.]
s.365 - General protections
General protections dismissal dispute - jurisdictional objection relating to no dismissal - section 386 meaning of dismissed - whether dismissal or voluntary resignation - whether resignation ineffectual because expressed in the heat of the moment - whether forced resignation
Hearing, Arguments before the Commission and Evidence
Mr Cameron's Background Prior to Engagement with Terex
Mr Cameron receives treatment for both of these conditions.
"As you are aware, kris has made it clear that he is only interested in doing 7.6 hours per day. There are odd occasions when he will stay back and help finish jobs if they flow into overtime, but not often...
There is no motivation to help our team beyond 3.06pm - this is becoming an issue and causing tension when other TMS have to step up and finish jobs."
Reliability is becoming a problem as I need TMs who I can count on to get the job done. I'm aware he has discussed with you during onboard process and has set boundaries regarding overtime but this makes it very hard given my already stretched resources."[19]
"Extending the probationary period is not possible, it would need to be a performance management process from here."
"I would like to address an issue that occurred yesterday due to ongoing stress that has been impacting myself and my family since February. I woke up very late and was then obviously late for work. It was completely aggravating for me, and it appeared that Andy was equally aggravated and made it clear that is how he felt.
After being in the Army for my whole adult life and performing a task at the exact right second timeliness has been ingrained so deeply that being late to anything actually causes me distress. Being on time was a life or death issue. So if I am late, that's usually a sign that something isn't ok with my life or my health.
a large majority of Veterans have been diagnosed and are treated for sleep apnea. I am one of these Veterans. It is a health issue that I disclosed on my Medical when starting at Terex.
When I started, I EXPLICITLY stated I would not work overtime unless absolutely required. In an emergency."
"There is a requirement for all team members to undertake a reasonable amount of overtime. I understand previous discussions with your line manager have resulted in a mutual arrangement on your preferred days and amount of overtime. If your availability has changed, please communicate this with Andy and Aaron.
Kris, the business is sympathetic to your carers responsibilities and will continue to accommodate where practical to do so. Similarly, the business has commitments to our customers to ensure we deliver to their expectations of timeliness and quality. I trust moving forward we can continue to achieve the needs of you and your family, the Franna business and the customers. If we are not able to achieve these goals, we will need to discuss alternatives. "
"...My mental health has taken a very serious turn these past few months... I no longer suffer from extreme PTSD, but having a manager yell at me all the time, and having no power, is extremely triggering. I feel that this is going to cause another mental health crisis now that HR have violated my trust.
Working overtime puts my health at risk, it impacts on my family responsibilities, and it was something I was firm about when discussing being hired for this job...
I don't go about life living in stress, jumping at loud noises, being scared of crowds. What affects me, is being yelled at continually and having no chance to have a calm and civil conversation, as I will inevitably respond by yell as well. I have gone through enough therapy to avoid that outcome and refuse to let Terex destroy all the work I have done."
"... I told a manager (Aaron) yesterday that I was "exhausted". He dismissed my comment, and I was then asked to work Overtime. Due to my military background, I struggle to say "no", so I agreed...
Again, Sleep Apnea was disclosed upon being hired as well as the wish to do minimal OT
So, it is a health issue that can be managed but I have no support and HR have insisted that I am required to work OT.
I am not sure what else to do. The workshop is severely understaffed and there is no plan to fix this issue beyond making the two remaining staff work beyond their means."
"It does not appear that the VA Report was disclosed by you for the purposes of your pre- employment medical evaluation on 16 August 2023.
Given the contents of the VA Report, Terex has reasonably held serious concerns that you may not presently have capacity to perform the inherent requirements of the Position without further risk to your own health and safety and that of your work colleagues. It is for these reasons that you have been directed to stand down from duties."
Independent Medical, EthicsPoint response, Return to Work
"With respect your allegations concerning overtime, you acknowledge that you were given the option to decline overtime but elected not to do so. In addition, you have since been relieved of any obligation to perform overtime work, pending a fitness for work evaluation."
"As I sure some of you are aware and possibly happy, I am submitting my 3 week resignation at this time with a final work day of 4OCT24. I know only 2 weeks is required, but I have a scheduled week off during this time, so it only seemed appropriate to give two working weeks notice.
While Terex is the OEM, we operate like some 13th century cave dwellers, not like a proper OEM, and honestly it is embarrassing to be associated with it anymore. I totally understand as a field service you can't carry everything and sometimes have to get creative OEM or not. But working out of an OEM workshop, I should never be wanting for tools, as the OEM we should literally have every special tool under the sun. I shouldn't need to borrow basic workshop tools from other companies nearly daily. I shouldn't need to get creative in order to make basic jobs that we do regularly possible. We only work on a few models with tons of commonality, yet we are the dictionary definition of inefficient.
All this coupled with the disgustingly inept management, and completely toxic working environment has made it this job unbearable.
I am happy to articulate and expand on the reasons why in am resigning if anyone is interested, though I did cover a few things yesterday with Christine."
"There was a big incident at work yesterday. I can't quite remember what happened as I was completely pushed to my limit and I had zero control of my reaction after everything happened."
The team building exercise was at a shooting range in Springvale... No joke, they took the Veteran who they just discriminated, to a shooting range.
Yesterday I was invited to an impromptu meeting with Andy and Christine from HR. Neither offered to have my union rep there as a support person.
I was given some BS document about work expectations and some other stuff that I don't remember because I essentially disassociated due to the amount of anger I was experiencing. I think I threw away the paperwork.
I was then invited into a meeting with Christine from HR where I proceeded to completely lose it and tell her everything on my mind.
By the end of it I was crying, enraged, and didn't hold back."
"As discussed this afternoon and based on previous conversations, it is in the best interested (sic) of both parties that your employment finishes today, 13th September 2024 and Terex will pay you 2 weeks in lieu of working your required notice period"
(a) the person's employment with his or her employer has been terminated on the employer's initiative; or
(b) the person has resigned from his or her employment, but was forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by his or her employer.
(1) There may be a dismissal within the first limb of the definition in s.386(1)(a) where, although the employee has given an ostensible communication of a resignation, the resignation is not legally effective because it was expressed in the "heat of the moment" or when the employee was in a state of emotional stress or mental confusion such that the employee could not reasonably be understood to be conveying a real intention to resign. Although "jostling" by the employer may contribute to the resignation being legally ineffective, employer conduct is not a necessary element. In this situation if the employer simply treats the ostensible resignation as terminating the employment rather than clarifying or confirming with the employee after a reasonable time that the employee genuinely intended to resign, this may be characterised as a termination of the employment at the initiative of the employer.
(2) A resignation that is "forced" by conduct or a course of conduct on the part of the employer will be a dismissal within the second limb of the definition in s.386(1)(b). The test to be applied here is whether the employer engaged in the conduct with the intention of bringing the employment to an end or whether termination of the employment was the probably (sic) result of the employer's conduct such that the employee had no effective or real choice but to resign. Unlike the situation in (1), the requisite employer conduct is the essential element.
"I can't quite remember what happened as I was completely pushed to my limit...
I was given some BS document about work expectations and some other stuff that I don't remember because I essentially disassociated due to the amount of anger I was experiencing."[60]
"It is the combination of these items - the shouting, management's indifference to my personal circumstances and duties, lack of expected confidentiality from HR, the failure to correct an entrenched leadership behaviour and deliberate misapplication of a misunderstood form - that combined to a working reality that wasn't going to change, and was expressed multiple times by me, focused on my removal.
My position felt completely untenable and absolutely absent of support."
2.3 Consideration - Was Mr Cameron Forced to Resign?
"Often it will only be a narrow line that distinguishes conduct that leaves an employee no real choice but to resign employment, from conduct that cannot be held to cause a resultant resignation to be a termination at the initiative of the employer. But narrow though it be, it is important that that line be closely drawn and rigorously observed. Otherwise, the remedy against unfair termination of employment at the initiative of the employer may be too readily invoked in circumstances where it is the discretion of a resigning employee, rather than that of the employer, that gives rise to the termination."
"Where the conduct of the employer is ambiguous, and the bearing it has on the decision to resign is based largely on the perception and subjective response of the employee made unilaterally, considerable caution should be exercised in treating the resignation as other than voluntary."
"I'm not sure how those reports of exhaustion and excessive overtime were investigated or handled."
Terex Conduct in the First Meeting was Unreasonable
2.3.3 Did Terex's conduct force Mr Cameron to resign?
Evidence that Mr Cameron was actively considering resigning

[5] I note Mr Cameron intended to seek orders for Mr Tanner to attend, but ultimately Mr Tanner voluntarily attended the hearing.
[9] Exhibit 1, Digital Hearing Book ('DHB'), page 371.
[25] Transcript PN775, PN780 and DHB pages 131 - 132.
[27] DHB page 131, Transcript PN776 - PN777.
[47] Coles Supply Chain Pty Ltd v Milford [2020] FCAFC 152, [54].
[48] [2017] FWCFB 3941, [47].
[94] DHB page 481, paragraph [30] - [32].
[96] AIRC Full Bench 9 December 1996 Print N6999 at p7.
[97] Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 625; 62 IR 200.
[98] Bupa Aged Care Australia Pty Ltd ta/a Bupa Aged Care Mosman v Tavassoli [2017] FWCFB 3941 at [47].
[99] As discussed in O'Meara v Stanley Works Pty Ltd [2006] AIRC 496 (PR973462) at [21].
[101] As the Full Bench found in Australian Hearing v Peary [2009] AIRCFB 680 the reasonableness of the conduct, in an objective sense, might be relevant when considering whether the conduct forced the employee to resign.
[107] See for example email chain between Mr Howe and Mr Tanner on 22 February 2024 (DHB page 227), and email from Richeux to Mr Cameron dated 29 June 2024 (DHB page 263).
[113] DHB page 483, paragraph [6], and DHB page 484, paragraph [7].
[115] Exhibit 2, Email from Mr Howe to Ms Richeux on 10 October 2024.
[123] Transcript PN825 (Mr Howe), PN1023 (Ms Richeux).
[127] See [32] above, and Mr Howe at Transcript PN802.
[128] See [88] d and i above and DHB pages 239 and 240.
[129] See [88] a, c, e, f, and g above.
[132] See for example the email exchange between Howe and Tanner dated 22 February 2024 at DHB 225; the written warnings dated 15 March 2024, and the performance management meeting on 12 September 2024, and Exhibit 2.
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Kristopher Cameron
Terex Australia Pty Ltd & Ors [2025] FWC 1508