[2025] FWC 3373
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-11-11
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.365 - General protections
Application to deal with contraventions involving dismissal - jurisdictional objection - whether the applicant an independent contractor or an employee of the respondent - section 15AA of the Fair Work Act 2009 applied - in a s.365 application, the Commission is only required to determine whether or not Applicant was an employee as at the date of her purported dismissal - the Commission is not required to determine at what point in time applicant became an employee of the Respondent - applicant an employee of the respondent as at the date of her dismissal - not clear if terms of purported independent contracting arrangement transferrable to employment - jurisdictional objection dismissed
(a) able to work her own hours, subject to touching base with either Mr Logan and/or Mr Peddie as to time off to attend personal issues or appointments (e.g. with a medical professional);[20]
(b) reimbursed for expenses incurred;[21]
(c) presented to the public, staff and clients as the Respondent's CEO;[22] and
(d) provided with the email address "kerry@festoon.com.au" for use in her communications with staff and clients.
The purpose of this letter is to formally advise you that a number of complaints of serious misconduct have recently been brought to our attention.
Due to the serious nature of these complaints, we confirm that you will be stood down and suspended from your normal duties pending the resolution of this matter.
This period of suspension should not be viewed as a disciplinary sanction in and of itself and you will of course continue to receive full pay and benefits during this period of suspension.
Whilst you are suspended you must not attend the office, or contact any client or fellow employee, without my prior express consent. Such consent will not be unreasonably withheld. Any failure by you to maintain confidentiality may lead to disciplinary action.
During this period of suspension, you should await the further instructions of the Company and be available to participate in any investigation process upon request.
If you have any enquiries in relation to this matter, please contact me.
The purpose of this letter is to formally advise you that we are investigating a grievance raised by Alex Kauler in relation to your employment with the Employer.
The specifics of the grievance raised against you are set out below:
In order to conduct our investigation, we wish to meet with you and obtain your response to these issues.
This investigation meeting is to be conducted at 11:30 am on 27 November 2024 at the Peninsula office, Level 14/108 St Georges Terrace, Perth WA 6000. You are expected to make every effort to attend this meeting.
We remind you that if any of the above issues are proven this behaviour may constitute bullying and could result in disciplinary action up to and including termination of your employment.
The Employer confirms a representative of Peninsular will be present at the meeting. The role of the Peninsular representative is to support/facilitate the meeting and to ensure procedural fairness.
You are of course welcome to bring a support person to this meeting should you choose.
If the above issues are found to be substantiated the Company will contact you to discuss any further action which may be required.
All matters and information relating to this grievance are strictly confidential and you are directed not to discuss them with any other person without my express prior consent. Any failure by you to maintain confidentiality may lead to disciplinary action.
If you have any enquiries in relation to this matter, please contact me.
TERMINATION OF VERBAL IDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR AGREEMENT
We refer to your verbal independent contractor agreement (the Agreement).
Festoon Lighting Australia Pty Ltd (the Company) would like to inform you that it will be terminating the Agreement due to operational reasons following the recent investigation. By way of clarification, the Agreement will cease to be effective as of Tuesday 24th December 2024.
Please note that you will be paid for any services provided up to and including the date of termination. You will not be entitled to any other compensation.
We would like to take this opportunity to remind you of your continuing obligations, which are not limited to:
The Company may take steps to enforce these obligations if the Company becomes aware of any breach by you.
Please do not hesitate to contact Elle Peddie if you have any questions in relation to this matter.
"(1) For the purposes of this Act, whether an individual is an employee of a person within the ordinary meaning of that expression, or whether a person is an employer of an individual within the ordinary meaning of that expression, is to be determined by ascertaining the real substance, practical reality and true nature of the relationship between the individual and the person.
(2) For the purposes of ascertaining the real substance, practical reality and true nature of the relationship between the individual and the person:
(a) the totality of the relationship between the individual and the person must be considered; and
(b) in considering the totality of the relationship between the individual and the person, regard must be had not only to the terms of the contract governing the relationship, but also to other factors relating to the totality of the relationship including, but not limited to, how the contract is performed in practice.
Note: This section was enacted as a response to the decisions of the High Court of Australia in CFMMEU v Personnel Contracting Pty Ltd [2022] HCA 1 and ZG Operations Australia Pty Ltd v Jamsek [2022] HCA 2.
(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to the following provisions of this Act:
"Section 15AA(2) requires a consideration of the totality of the relationship which involves in turn a consideration of, amongst other things, the terms of the contract between the parties and an assessment as to how the contract is performed in practice. The approach to a consideration of the totality of the relationship under s.15AA is guided by the common law principles established by cases such as Stevens v Brodribb Sawmilling Co Pty Ltd and Hollis v Vabu Pty Ltd and involves a reversion to the multifactorial test that was well known and widely applied prior to the High Court decisions in CFMMEU v Personnel Contracting and ZG Operations v Jamsek.
The common law approach has been set out in numerous decisions of the courts and in decisions of this Commission. In Jiang Shen Cai trading as French Accent v Do Rozario the Full Bench summarised the approach to the determination of the employee/contractor issue including whether the worker is the servant of another in that other's business or whether the worker carries on a trade or business of his or her own behalf, the nature of the work performed and the manner of its performance, the identification and application of the relevant indicia to the circumstances, and the terms of the contract between the parties.
In the same decision, the Full Bench identified the various indicia that are ordinarily considered in an assessment as to the nature of the relationship. They include the actual exercise, or the right to exercise, control over the putative employee, whether the worker performs work for others, or provides tools and equipment, whether the work can be delegated, whether the worker is remunerated by periodic wages or salary or by reference to completion of tasks and whether the worker is presented to the world at large as an emanation of the putative employer's business. The Bench also cautioned that "no list of indicia is to be regarded as comprehensive or exhaustive and the weight to be given to particular indicia will vary according to the circumstances."[31]
"[46] It is worth outlining s.370 of the Act, which, in setting out the pre-requisites for the making of a general protections court application, provides an overview of the next steps for the conduct of the Applicant's application:
370. A person who is entitled to apply under s 365 for the FWC to deal with a dispute must not make a general protections court application (as defined in s 368(4)) in relation to the dispute unless:
(i) the FWC has issued a certificate under paragraph 368(3)(a) in relation to the dispute;
(ii) the general protections court application is made within 14 days after the day the certificate is issued, or within such period as the court allows on an application made during or after those 14 days; or
(b) the general protections court application includes an application for an interim injunction.
[47] The precursor to the issuing of the required certificate under s.368(3)(a) is that the Commission must deal with the dispute by conducting a conference and reach a level of satisfaction 'that all reasonable attempts to resolve the dispute (other than by arbitration) have been, or are likely to be, unsuccessful'. Hence for present purposes and as a result of my determination, this matter will now be listed for conference in order to explore the possibility of resolution. A notice of listing will be issued shortly.
[48] Finally, while I have determined the Applicant was dismissed by the Respondent and is therefore entitled to apply under s.365 of the Act for the Commission to deal with his dismissal dispute, it should be noted that the Full Court in Coles Supply Chain Pty Ltd v Milford[38] made observations of the following nature regarding s.370 of the Act and the making of a general protection court application:
(a) the Act establishes multiple alternate pathways for an applicant and prospective litigants;
(b) Section 370 of the Act is to be interpreted against the background that while the Commission may determine the question of a person's entitlement to make an application to it, this may not be conclusive; and
(c) this is because a Court may ultimately decline to recognise an 'application' or resulting certificate granted by the Commission as valid, if called upon by a Respondent to determine a subsequent objection to the competency of a general protections court application under s 370 of the Act."[39]
Mr Simon Rogers, of Counsel, instructed by Mr Luke Francis, Senior Associate, Quest Legal, appeared (with permission) for Ms Kerry Milne (the Applicant).
Mr Troy Plummer, ANZ Head of Legal, and Ms Katie Jackson, Solicitor, Irwell Law (formerly Employsure Law), appeared (with permission) for Festoon Lighting Pty Ltd (the Respondent).
[1] See also, Transcript, PN430 and PN433, PN437.
[2] Digital Hearing Book, or Court Book (CB), pp.124-132.
[7] Milne Statement, at [11]-[13], CB, p.156. Applicant's Submissions, at [15]-[16] and [19], CB, pp.150-151. Transcript, PN142
[8] Transcript, PN76-PN80. CB, pp.102-122 "GAP proposal to Festoon Lighting, October 2023".
[9] Transcript, PN142 and PN553. Milne Statement, at [13], CB, p.156.
[11] Transcript, PN111, and PN137-PN142.
[12] Transcript, PN112-PN117, and PN121-PN139. CB, p.189. Milne Statement, at [18] and [22], CB, pp.156-157.
[14] CB, pp.189-195. Transcript, PN121-PN139, and PN392.
[15] CB, p.189-191. Transcript, PN134-PN137, and PN525. Milne Statement, at [25]-[28], CB, pp.157-158.
[16] Transcript, PN13-PN20, and PN120-PN121, and PN396. CB, pp.189-191. Milne Statement, at [25]-[28], CB, pp.157-158.
[20] Transcript, PN314 and PN317-PN319.
[21] Transcript, PN342 and PN403-PN404.
[22] Transcript, PN195-PN196, and PN214-PN220. CB, p.243 (Text message exchange, 10 May 2024, authored by Mr Logan).
[23] Transcript, PN219-PN225, PN233, PN297, PN301, PN464, PN467, and PN471.
[28] Fair Work Legislation Act 2024, Schedule 1, Part 17, cl 116-119.
[29] Section 15AA(3) of the Act has no application in this case.
[31] Ibid, at [17]-[19], footnotes excluded.
[32] That is, apart from the Further Marketing Engagement, which GAP was separately remunerated for pursuant to the June and November 2024 invoices.
[34] Transcript, PN511, PN527, PN535, PN547, and PN574-PN582.
[38] [2020] FCAFC 152; (2020) 279 FCR 591, at 607, [74]-[75].
[39] [2025] FWC 424, at [46]-[48].
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Kerry Milne
Festoon Lighting Australia Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 3373
(1986) 160 CLR 16
(2020) 279 FCR 591