[2025] FWC 424
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-02-12
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.365 - General protections
Application to deal with contraventions involving dismissal - jurisdictional objection - whether Applicant was dismissed or voluntarily resigned - jurisdictional objection dismissed.
365 Application for the FWC to deal with a dismissal dispute
(b) the person, or an industrial association that is entitled to represent the industrial interests of the person, alleges that the person was dismissed in contravention of this Part;
the person, or the industrial association, may apply to the FWC for the FWC to deal with the dispute.
a) Owen Wakefield;
b) Wayne Blackshaw, Construction Manager;
c) Jamie Daglish, Senior Supervisor;
d) Paul Cliffe, HSE Advisor; and
e) Kym Truong, Senior Project Administrator.
I've resigned today. I won't be in an EWP with loads around me and crane ops watching iPads with loads on the hook.
All you need to do is look at his iPad screen time or Netflix screen time to provide I'm 100% correct.
It's so far past dangerous I can't even believe Jamie Daglish let him stay in the crane even after knowing there is an iPad in his cab.
All you need to do is ask the Management at Pilbara minerals what sort of work I was conducting and how it was being done.
Then you will realise that there should have not even been an iPad in the cab of his crane.
My life and safety is worth more than that.[7]
...I hereby submit my resignation from the position of Advanced Rigger with Civmec Construction & Engineering Pty Ltd.
I would like to give the required notice period of 6-6-2024 effective from 7-6-2024. My last day of work will be 06-6-2024.
Employee Comments: I've been made to resign Due to safety concerns Kindest Regards Joel Keith Minchin
a) at 11.30AM Mr Wakefield arrived at the flotation area where the crew had been erecting steel;
b) Paul, the crane operator, was out of the crane returning from the toilet and Mr Wakefield stopped him to ask how everything was going;
c) the Applicant walked by Mr Wakefield and Paul and notwithstanding the two were talking, interrupted them both and told Paul to get back into the crane. The Applicant then walked away into the area;
d) Paul slewed the crane around within sight of Mr Wakefield, stopped, got out of the cab and said that he could not do this anymore, noting that the Applicant had been rude and disrespectful for over a week;
e) the Applicant walked toward the crane and Paul said to him, 'isn't that right, you're rude and disrespectful', to which the Applicant responded with angry and abusive behaviour;
f) Mr Daglish attempted to calm the Applicant down and then the Applicant raised his voice at Mr Daglish shouting profanities about Paul and threatening to knock him out;
g) whilst Mr Wakefield and Mr Daglish continued to attempt to diffuse the situation, the Applicant walked off the job still shouting abuse; and
Joel was very argumentative during the conversation and would not let me talk. He was saying that Paul was on his iPad with loads on the hook, setting up screens so no one could see him doing so and that he was smarter than everyone else. Joel told me this had been happening for a week. I asked Joel why he did not report this when he first observed Paul watching his iPad. Joel had no response to this. He threatened to send emails to Pilbara Minerals, the media, and Sarens reporting his accusations. I told Joel we would investigate his accusations and at the time of the phone call that's all they were, his accusations.[11]
I spoke to Paul the other day about coming up to fast and down to fast . He blamed the crane and the computer I know hand on heart that the things I was concerned about is due to that iPad. Ask yourself this question . With how much work we have been doing and the work load we've had on why would he even have an iPad in the cab of that crane and when would he get to even use it . I'm a smart guy mate and that iPad has a time stamp the apps have a time stamp of when they are open and what's being used when . You're going to be shocked if you get that info which should be a part of the investigation. Sarens just rang me and they are applauded he would even have an iPad in the crane on work hours .
This kind of thing 100% needs to stop in the industry . I understand heavy lift got nothing on and things get boring . There would have been no time for him to watch or use an iPad and or his phone . So far past unacceptable it's disturbing . That's why I resigned.
I kept all them boys safe mate no injuries no near misses on a work load and our time frame like that is almost un heard of . Mo will tell you how safe I am . I'm guilty of no tool lanyards a couple times and only one tag line on a couple loads . Oh and vaping every now and then .
What's the verdict mate . I don't want to leave . Mo has even verified that he saw the iPad and even said himself that there was times it was taking to long for him to make crane movements . I like this project but I can't work with dangerous ops and that behaviour is so far past dangerous it's insane .
We're conducting an investigation at the moment getting statements. I'll get a statement from Mo too.
I can move onto smileys crew if need be . I've spoken to Sarens and they can not believe that he even had an iPad in that crane with such a busy workload . I don't want to cause any dramas but I shouldn't have to resign and be made to feel like I'm in danger or the crew is and was in danger . No worries . I've seen some bad things happen with cranes mate I've seen people get injured I've seen companies and workers lose contracts I've been on jobs where people have been killed due to lack of attention . There is no excuse and the way his crane was set up with that insulation speaks volumes .
I take it that window seat still has my name on it mate .
Best of luck with the investigation . I'll be speaking with Sarens cranes and Pilbara minerals staff over the coming days also .
What baffles me is that if I was seen on my phone dogging a load or on the job front with loads on I'd be down the road with no explanation needed. I spoke to Mo last night he's willing to make a statement as he Admitted last night that he 100% sore the IPAD set up weirdly at Paul's feet. If it was lawful and innocent and being used at a safe time and in a proper manner
Why would he not have just had it on his lap like every other iPad user on the planet ?
I'll answer that for you . Because it's hard to use or watch an iPad when your hand are on crane levers . It would be so much easier to have it hidden behind insulation in a crane cab at your feet especially when the cab is in recline position .
Where myself and Mo and I'm sure other people sore it being used .
The shit thing is this behaviour will continue because management staff supervisor don't really care until it's to late and someone's dead injured or it's coming back to affect them . That's when they step in and pretend to care or fo the right thing . I've been around construction since my dad set up his own construction company Warren river stabilised earth when I was 8 years old .
I'll be getting on the plane but I can't 100% guarantee this matter will be taken as far as I can take it and who ever is involved who did not take immediate action . Like pulling Paul from the crane instantly until the investigation was completed will 100% be a part of my own process of investigation . I've spoken to the union also I'm speaking with a friend that's works for a media outlet when I get off the plane . The things I've heard seen and know is going to end careers I'm sick to death of this bullshit and the way these things get handled it's the most putrid gutless behaviour all for profits and greed and gutlessness .
You were gentlemen enough to ring me but I've been told first hand by more than one person you spoke to Paul at his crane in his crane and continued to let him work . I've got my own statements . Someone will be in contact I'm sure .
It's no longer just about me it's about every single person on that site in those offices from top to bottom that should have immediately stopped operation and removed those involved until the investigation was complete . That's just to start . No ones done a thing . Quick to get me my flights and accomodation cancelled that's all that's been done .
Just remember like I said to you yesterday, if you had of reported this to me when you first thought something
wasn't right I would have had the opportunity to take action straight away. You are on the plane today as you resigned. Not because we put you there.
I reported it yesterday and investigation was issued and that operator never left his cab at any stage I have witness statements . By law 100% illegal . Like I said you will be hearing from someone I can guarantee it .
At legal standing it would be improper for myself to conduct any formal or informal conversations at this point these are the exact words from the legal advice I was given yesterday by my family lawyer .
There was a load on the hook that was pinned one end...[13]
a) he was forced to resign as he had a run in with Paul the Sarens crane operator about Paul allegedly using an iPad when operating the crane; and
b) he had advised Jamie, Owen and Wayne, if they did not remove Paul from site he would resign.
I've resigned today. I won't be in an EWP with loads around me and crane ops watching iPads with loads on the hook.
All you need to do is look at his iPad screen time or Netflix screen time to provide I'm 100% correct.
It's so far past dangerous I can't even believe Jamie Daglish let him stay in the crane even after knowing there is an iPad in his cab.
All you need to do is ask the Management at Pilbara minerals what sort of work I was conducting and how it was being done.
Then you will realise that there should have not even been an iPad in the cab of his crane.
My life and safety is worth more than that.[21]
(a) the person's employment with his or her employer has been terminated on the employer's initiative; or
(b) the person has resigned from his or her employment but was forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by his or her employer.
"[47] Having regard to the above authorities and the bifurcation in the definition of "dismissal" established in s.386(1) of the FW Act, we consider that the position under the FW Act may be summarised as follows:
(1) There may be a dismissal within the first limb of the definition in s.386(1)(a) where, although the employee has given an ostensible communication of a resignation, the resignation is not legally effective because it was expressed in the "heat of the moment" or when the employee was in a state of emotional stress or mental confusion such that the employee could not reasonably be understood to be conveying a real intention to resign. Although "jostling" by the employer may contribute to the resignation being legally ineffective, employer conduct is not a necessary element. In this situation if the employer simply treats the ostensible resignation as terminating the employment rather than clarifying or confirming with the employee after a reasonable time that the employee genuinely intended to resign, this may be characterised as a termination of the employment at the initiative of the employer.
(2) A resignation that is "forced" by conduct or a course of conduct on the part of the employer will be a dismissal within the second limb of the definition in s.386(1)(b). The test to be applied here is whether the employer engaged in the conduct with the intention of bringing the employment to an end or whether termination of the employment was the probable result of the employer's conduct such that the employee had no effective or real choice but to resign. Unlike the situation in (1), the requisite employer conduct is the essential element."[26]
"[10] It seems clear...that the concept of constructive dismissal is to be accommodated by s.386(1)(b) and that concept is not subsumed in s.386(1)(a).
[11] Section 386(1)(a) seems plainly to be intended to capture the case law determining the meaning of termination (of the employment relationship) at the initiative of the employer. In Mohazab the Court considered that the expression "termination at the initiative of the employer" was:
". . . a reference to a termination that is brought about by an employer and which is not agreed to by the employee. Consistent with the ordinary meaning of the expression in the Convention, a termination of employment at the initiative of the employer may be treated as a termination in which the action of the employer is the principal contributing factor which leads to the termination of the employment relationship. We proceed on the basis that the termination of the employment relationship is what is comprehended by the expression ''termination of employment.''" (references omitted)[27]
What's the verdict mate . I don't want to leave . Mo has even verified that he saw the iPad and even said himself that there was times it was taking to long for him to make crane movements . I like this project but I can't work with dangerous ops and that behaviour is so far past dangerous it's insane. (bold my emphasis)
370 A person who is entitled to apply under s 365 for the FWC to deal with a dispute must not make a general protections court application (as defined in s 368(4)) in relation to the dispute unless:
(i) the FWC has issued a certificate under paragraph 368(3)(a) in relation to the dispute;
(ii) the general protections court application is made within 14 days after the day the certificate is issued, or within such period as the court allows on an application made during or after those 14 days; or
(b) the general protections court application includes an application for an interim injunction.
a) the Act establishes multiple alternate pathways for an applicant and prospective litigants;
b) s 370 of the Act is to be interpreted against the background that while the Commission may determine the question of a person's entitlement to make an application to it, this may not be conclusive; and
[1] Joel Minchin v Civmec Construction & Engineering Pty Ltd [2024] FWC 2204.
[2] Civmec Construction & Engineering Pty Ltd v Joel Minchin [2025] FWCFB 2.
[3] Coles Supply Chain Pty Ltd v Milford [2020] FCAFC 152; (2020) 279 FCR 591, 603 [54], special leave to appeal declined in [2021] HCASL 37 (Milford).
[6] Joel Minchin v Civmec Construction & Engineering Pty Ltd [2024] FWC 2204 [22].
[7] Digital Hearing Book - Part 2, 16 (DHB Pt 2).
[22] Morris v Allied Express Transport Pty Ltd [2016] FCCA 1589, [117].
[24] Bupa Aged Care Australia Pty Ltd v Tavassoli [2017] FWCFB 3941; (2017) 271 IR 245 (Bupa).
[25] [2023] FWCFB 101; (2023) 324 IR 375, 381 [18].
[27] (2018) 273 IR 126, 130 [10]- [11].
[32] Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) ss 368(1), (2).
[34] Milford (n 3) 607 [74]-[75].
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Joel Minchin
Civmec Construction & Engineering Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 424
(2018) 273 IR 126
(2020) 279 FCR 591
(2023) 324 IR 375
(2017) 271 IR 245