[2025] FWC 3272
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-10-31
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Unfair dismissal
Application for relief from unfair dismissal - whether dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable - dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable - compensation ordered
The email, however, seeks to follow-up on Director Loan Confirmation letters prepared by Rewardle's auditors and points out that the loans have increased and have identified concerns with a range of transactions which took place without Board approval. Thereby exposing the Companies[34] to risk and is considered serious misconduct. The email suggests that the matters be discussed at the Board meeting that day.
Consideration - Was the dismissal harsh, unjust or unreasonable?
"(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant."
Whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person
Any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal
If the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal
The degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
The degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal
Any other matters that the FWC considers relevant
Is reinstatement of the Applicants inappropriate?
Compensation - what must be taken into account in determining an amount?
(a) the effect of the order on the viability of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the length of the Applicants' service with the employer; and
(c) the remuneration that the Applicants would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the Applicants had not been dismissed; and
(d) the efforts of the Applicants (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered by the Applicants because of the dismissal; and
(e) the amount of any remuneration earned by the Applicants from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation; and
(f) the amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by the Applicants during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation; and
(g) any other matter that the Commission considers relevant.
Effect of the order on the viability of the Respondent's enterprise
Remuneration that the Applicants would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the Applicants had not been dismissed
"[i]n determining the remuneration that the Applicant would have received, or would have been likely to receive... the Commission must address itself to the question whether, if the actual termination had not occurred, the employment would have been likely to continue, or would have been terminated at some time by another means. It is necessary for the Commission to make a finding of fact as to the likelihood of a further termination, in order to be able to assess the amount of remuneration the employee would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if there had not been the actual termination."[45]
Efforts of the Applicants to mitigate the loss suffered because of the dismissal and amount of remuneration earned by the Applicants from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation
Amount of income reasonably likely to be so earned by the Applicant during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation
[1] Transcript of Proceedings dated 28 March 2025.
[2] Noting the Applicants conceded the effective date of dismissal to be 30 January 2025 instead of 6 January 2025 as they allege.
[3] Pepperleaf.com.au Pty Ltd v Simon Kahil & John Cincotta [2025] FWCFB 92.
[4] ASX Announcement 8 November 2023, Second Digital Hearing Book ('2nd DHB') pp. 142-145.
[5] Updated Employment Contracts, First Digital Hearing Book ('1st DHB') pp. 101-107, 127-133.
[6] Applicants' reply submissions of 20 May 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 27-28.
[7] On 4 December 2024 the Rewardle Directors determined at the Board meeting to engage Affinity the Accountants for Rewardle to manage the Pepper Leaf accounts. See Director Meeting Minutes dated 4 December 2024, 2nd DHB pp. 209-211.
[8] Letter of demand dated 13 November 2024 directing full payment by 20 November 2024. Annexure C to the Applicants' outline of submissions, 1st DHB pp. 59-63.
[9] Annexure D to the Applicants' outline of submissions dated 18 March 2025, 1st DHB pp. 64-86.
[10] See ibid and Director Meeting Minutes dated 4 December 2024, 2nd DHB pp. 209-211.
[11] Director Meeting Minutes dated 4 December 2024, 2nd DHB p. 210.
[12] Director Meeting Minutes dated 6 January 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 233-237.
[13] Annexure C2 1 and Annexure C2 2 to the Applicants' outline of submissions dated 18 March 2025, 1st DHB pp. 57-63; and Director Meeting Minutes dated 18 December 2024, 2nd DHB pp. 226-229.
[14] Minutes of 4 December 2024, 2nd DHB p. 209.
[16] Email 19 December 2024 - Notice of Suspension from Pepper Leaf, 2nd DHB p. 230 as referred to in Letter of 11 February 2025 from Mr Simon Kahil to the Boad of Directors, 2nd DHB pp. 16-20 and Letter of 11 February 2025 from Mr John Cincotta to the Board of Directors, 2nd DHB pp. 21-25.
[17] Ibid 2nd DHB p. 17 at [19] and p. 23 at [19].
[18] See email from Adrian Rogers dated 19 December 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 231-232.
[21] Ibid 2nd DHB p. 19 and Applicants reply submissions dated 20 May 2025, 2nd DHB p. 30 at [5].
[22] Applicants reply submissions dated 20 May 2025, 2nd DHB p. 30 at [4].
[23] Correspondence from Macpherson Kelley to Strongman & Crouch dated 14 May 2025 - Appendix E to the Applicants reply submissions, 2nd DHB pp. 96-99.
[24] Respondent's submissions dated 13 May 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 124-125.
[25] Ibid and Respondent's submissions dated 28 March 2025, 2nd DHB p. 101-102.
[26] Respondent's submissions dated 28 March 2025, 2nd DHB p. 102 at [3].
[27] Ibid 2nd DHB pp. 102-103; Respondent's submissions dated 13 May 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 128; Email 16 January 2025 - Re_ Jorge's Café, 2nd DHB pp. 305.
[28] Deed variation execution dated 24 October 2023, 2nd DHB pp. 147 - 204.
[29] Respondent's outline of submissions dated 13 May 2025, 2nd DHB p. 114 at [1.10].
[30] Respondent's outline of submissions dated 13 May 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 112-114 at [1.4.2] and [1.8].
[32] 2nd DHB p. 208. The proposal is to offset salary obligations against loans owing by the Applicants, but also includes a proposal to extend the due date of the Applicants' loans, neither proposals were executed. This correspondence is in dispute, Mr Weerasooriya argues this was an agreement to forgo salary, while the Applicants argue the proposal which did not eventuate included offsetting salary entitlements against the loan owed by them to Rewardle.
[33] Respondents' submissions dated 13 May 2025, 2nd DHB p. 124 at [1.26.1] and email of 18 December 2024, 2nd DHB p.224.
[34] It is alleged by the Respondent that both Pepper Leaf and Rewardle are exposed to risk.
[38] Letter of termination of Mr Cincotta dated 30 January 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 238-241; Letter of termination of Mr Kahil dated 30 January 2025, 2nd DHB pp. 242-245.
[39] Attachment 2 to Mr Cincotta's Form F2, 1st DHB pp. 14-15; Attachment 3 to Mr Kahil's Form F2, 1st DHB pp. 29-30.
[40] The actual date of presentation of the document to the Applicants was unclear.
[41] The Rewardle Directors were aware of cash flow difficulties and that the founding directors continued to invest and worked without receipt of wages.
[43] See Emma Horan v Tren Trading Pty Ltd t/a Dubbo Early Learning Centre [2019] FWC 3249; Sharp v BCS Infrastructure Support Pty Limited [2015] FWCFB 1033.
[47] Biviano, [34] citing Payzu Ltd v Saunders [1919] 2 KB 581.
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John Cincotta
Pepperleaf.Com.Au Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 3272
(1995) 62 IR 371
(1996) 142 ALR 681