"Where were you positioned when you gave [the complainant] that massage?---I was directly behind [the complainant] at the computer desk. She was sitting on higher sort of stool than one of the standard ones. It was a built-up sort of a stool level with the computer. She was sitting on that. I was directly behind her, standing behind her whilst giving this rub, and leaving over the top.
Now, you heard some evidence from [the complainant] on the videotape that she said you were sitting behind her and you reached around and put your hands under her shirt and lifted her sports bra and fondled her breast with your hands?---Yeah, I heard that.
Okay, and what do you say to that?---Well, that's nowhere near correct.
Did anything like that occur?---Yes, something like that did occur.
Can you explain to the members of the jury exactly what occurred in that computer room?---Right. When we was in the computer room she got a massage and at the moment she's on the computer playing some really good games, and I finished her massage then I pulled up a seat behind her and was watching the computer games and she came across a really good computer game. It was a King Kong sort of one where you had to collect lots of bananas. I hadn't seen this game before so I wanted to have a go at it, so I choofed [the complainant] off this stool, I hopped on and I started playing it because it was a really good looking game. I'm playing there with my left hand with the computer here, [the complainant] was right here beside me. She has moved in - physical girl, which doesn't worry me, doesn't affect me. She come right up on me. My arm was around her. I was giving her a cuddle, it was like on her belly and it was cold. That was cold, she knows, because it was me cold hand on her bare skin on her belly. She was wearing two T-shirts and a sort of a boob-tube tank top. I know she had two T-shirts because that's where I was when I was rubbing her. Halfway through the computer game - I knew what [the complainant] was up to because she has tried things like this before. Halfway through King Kong she dropped down. I felt her go down and my hand was already on her skin. I went for a grab. I got a grab all right and it was a handful of tit, it wasn't a handful of rib or body where I thought I would, and if she had shown her mother that night there would have been a bruise on it. It was a grab. It was a dead-set, right-on grab.
And why did you do that?---Because that's where my hand was at the time and it was a grab. It was a pinch. It was to let her know that she had gone just a little bit too far that time.
What were you thinking at the time that you did that?---At the time I done that I thought this - 'You have blown it this time, kid,' you know. I spat the dummy just after that and it wasn't long after that that the mother was wandering down, but I had already had it by then and I was leaving. I was very pissed off with [the complainant] for actually trying it in her house where everyone was, because her sister was in and out, her mother was in and out. I had no idea what this kid was thinking of, but she did get - I did get a handful of tit, but it wasn't a grope, it was a grab, it was a pinch.
So what was your intention in the grab or the pinch?---I let her know that she had stepped over the boundary. She was - gone well beyond where she should have been. I didn't mind giving her a cuddle, I didn't mind giving her a punch, you know."