Q. --you say that you spent an estimated $2.5 million, in attempting to clean up the Rutherford land and to comply with the EPA notices and an earlier prevention notice?
A. Correct.
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Q. So you've given evidence, that you paid Mr [Vujkovic],
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[K]osta, about $450,000?
A. Yep.
Q. And you paid Mr Matthews about $250,000?
A. Correct.
Q. And do you recall that the contract with EPS, the total contract, was for about $302,000?
A. No that's incorrect. I think it was - there was a bit more than ... I feel the $300,000 was - I, no I, I, I'm just I'm not sure on it, but I don't think that's right.
Q. ... do you agree that you paid just over, in terms of the amount you actually paid to EPS, it was just over $200,000?
A. Yes that's correct.
Q. About $203,000?
A. With 115 [thousand] owing.
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Q. Is it your evidence that that $2.5 million included legal fees?
A. Absolutely.
Q. And it also included your ... living expenses, a salary if you like, to yourself? ...
A. --that and my wife, yeah so we could live yeah--
Q. Of about 250,000? All right?
A. Something like that, I can't remember to be frank with you.
Q. So it wasn't solely related to the physical clean-up of the site?
A. I'm sorry but, you know, when, when you have expenses like that, and you're, you're spending it on legal fees, it's to do with the clean-up of the site. Those legal fees were essentially looking after my interests in the site, and looking to try and work with the EPA in it. ...
Q. Regardless of whether the total amount [of the EPS contract] was 302,000, or 300 and something else thousand, you agree that if you had been able to pay that contract in its entirety, that the clean-up notice would've been complied with? In your understanding?
A. Can I just say this, absolutely. When - and just to explain that absolutely your Honour, with regard to that issue, I borrowed $1.2 million, of which, once you take out interest and then payments to all and sundry, it ended up at 950, $942,000.