Did you load it or was it already - - - ? It was already loaded.
Do you recall what it was loaded with? - - - From my understanding I thought it was loaded with nothing more than the rat shots.
Do you dispute, however, that it had a more substantial round in it? You don't dispute that, do you? - - - No, well, it must of, I mean, - - -
How long had you had that gun for? - - - I had owned that gun for over ten years.
And when was the last time you'd seen it prior to this? - - - Would have been six months to a year before.
Have you ever taken it shooting, rabbiting, anything like that? - - - No.
Had you any experience with it, using it at a (indistinct) range or anything like that? - - - No.
So, how is it you came to be possessed of it? - - - A mate of mine had it and wanted $150 for it, so I bought it.
Did it come with the rat shot and other shot? - - - It came with all the shells.
In terms of your experience with that gun, what had you done with it in those years? - - - More or less just played around with it from time to time with mates in the house but we'd never really actually fired it.
What did you do? - - - Just looked at it, played around with it and - - -
But there were cartridges - well, tell us what you did with the cartridges? - - - Well, from time to time we used to get the cartridges, pull the head off the bullet, sprinkle a bit of gun powder out and then light it and shoot the cartridge.
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So, having got that gun what did you then do? Wait on, I should have said did you hear anything whilst you had the gun? - - - Yes, I could still hear Ken and this other man. Ken was telling him' it'll be all right', rah, rah, rah.
What did you do? You're out now, presumably, somewhere around the front of your unit; would that be right? - - - Yes.
What did you do then? - - - I walked up the driveway with the gun behind my back.
Yes, why did you have it behind your back? - - - Because I was hoping I wouldn't have to use it.
Yes? - - - I was hoping I wouldn't even have to point it at this man.
So what happened when you got to - did you step out on the footpath and have a look down [the street]? - - - I stepped out on the driveway, onto the footpath, looked down the street. This man and Ken [Mr Kelly] were both facing towards me.
Yes? - - - That's when I pulled the gun up like in, like this.
Yes? - - - I said 'just piss off, mate'. He started to charge towards me.
Yes? - - - And I fired in their direction.
Did you take aim, looking down the barrel at all? - - - No, I never intended to shoot anyone, never intended to kill anyone.
If you fired what did you think that would do? - - - I was just hoping to scare the bloke. I just wanted him to go away. I didn't know why this guy had come to my house, why this guy had beaten me up that I'd never met before in my whole life.