[2025] WASC 554
General information, not legal advice.
Supreme Court of WA
2026-01-22
Cobby J
Original judgment source is linked above.
Fondest memories of over 40 years in the car trade, restaurants and night clubs with brother Carlo. Sincerest sympathy to Mrs Rispoli, Vicki, the three girls and family'.
Dear Biagio, my dad, your uncle Ugo, always spoke so highly of you and Vicky. You always were a gentleman. Thank you for trying to be there for me ....life gives hard knocks but we try to carry on. My thoughts are with Vicky, Maria, Biagio and all the family.'
(a) people may react differently to family violence and there is no typical, proper or normal response to family violence;[53]
(b) it is not uncommon for a person who has been subjected to family violence to stay with an abusive partner after the onset of family violence;[54] and
(c) it is not uncommon for a person who has been subjected to family violence not to report family violence to police or seek assistance to stop family violence.[55]
*The nearest surviving relative of a deceased person is the first person who is available from the following persons in the order of priority listed-
(a) the person who, immediately before the death, was living as-
(i) the spouse of the deceased;
(ii) a de facto partner of the deceased and who is at least 18 years of age;
(b) a person, who, immediately before the death, was the spouse of the deceased;
(c) a son or daughter of the deceased who is at least 18 years of age.'
It appears that approval to submit the version sent to Births Deaths and Marriages Agency at the time, was given by a person not authorised to do so.
The approval should have come from Ms Stephanie Rispoli, as she is the administrator of the funeral. However, Ms Rispoli did not give approval to submit the document received by BDM, in particular, the reference to Robert's defacto status.
But in the same way as you say he may have popped in to have a mortgage signed, may he have popped in to have you witness a will?‑‑‑Possibly.
Possibly?---Possibly, but I don't - I don't recall that and there was never a conversation about preparation of a will.
No. But it's not inconceivable that he may have - in the same way that he got you to witness a mortgage, he may have gotten you to witness a will. Correct?---Sure. Sure.
Edwin Vernon Taylor has a twinkle in his eye as he stands at the track he tore around as a young man.
Taylor, 90, known as 'Chum', was a speedway motorcycle rider who rode every summer at Claremont Speedway for 27 years.
The Perth star launched his career at the historic Claremont venue, racing his first dirt track speedway race in 1948.
'I raced every summer here - I had the biggest handicap,' he said. 'I broke my neck in a crash here when I was 25 and got out of the plaster to get married.'
Subject to subsection (2), in any proceedings where direct oral evidence of a fact or opinion would be admissible, any statement in a document and tending to establish the fact or opinion shall, on production of the document, be admissible as evidence of that fact or opinion if the statement -
(a) was made by a qualified person; or
(b) directly or indirectly reproduces or is derived from one or other or both of the following -
(i) information in one or more statements, each made by a qualified person;
(ii) information from one or more devices designed for, and used for the purpose of, recording, measuring, counting or identifying information, not being information based on a statement made by any person.
I first met Victoria Varelis around 2004 as she attended my Uncle Carl's funeral. She did not drive in the funeral car with my family and I. Vicky attended my Nonno Joe's funeral in April 2005 but was not in the funeral car for this funeral either.
Dad never introduced her to my sisters and me as his partner. Dad only used to refer to Victoria to me and my family as being the house cleaner. I know he was abrupt with words but that is what he would say in front of me.
I did not see Vicky on Christmas Eve in 2018, at her place of work or anywhere else. I also did not give her any Christmas gift on this occasion nor a candle.
When you say:
On every occasion I went to my dad's house -
paragraph 70:
I never had reason to believe that anyone else lived there?---Yes.
What led you to say that?---Because, like I said before, that was his stance on things. He wouldn't let anyone live there. I don't know if he was afraid, that he didn't want to pay out another woman or what, but that's - that was always his remark to us.
So that comment that you make or that evidence you give is based on what he told you, not what you saw?---What I saw and what he told me.
What did you see?---I saw that he lived alone.
How do you see that?---When I go to my father's house, I see that he lives alone.
Well, perhaps Victoria was at work at that time?---Well, it was all different times. As I said, I mean, I believed that Victoria was living between Mount Hawthorn and Padbury with her son.
That's what you assumed, isn't it?---Well, I know she didn't live at Karrinyup.
Well, you don't know that because you were only there maybe once a month?---Well, I did see Dad a lot, so.
At Karrinyup, you were only there at most once a month?---Yes, but I also saw Dad a lot. He used to come to my shop a lot.
You weren't there in the middle of the night, or late at night, were you?---No, I was not. Stephanie was. Steve Comely, many people were, but not me, not at that time.
And you weren't there first thing in the morning, 8 o'clock in the morning?---No. No, I wasn't.
You did see her there sometimes when you went there, though, didn't you, you've said?---Yes. Yes.
And when you were there, she wasn't scrubbing floors or cleaning the kitchen, was she?---No, well, as I said, obviously Vicky was working, etcetera, but I know the (indistinct) thing, I know I had a conversation with Vicky at Sussan's and I knew she was going to Dad's.
She's a hospitable woman, isn't she?---As I said, I didn't have a bad relationship with her.
She's a hospitable woman in a home. She loves to make food and put on things for people who visit, doesn't she?---Dad was the one that would put food out if we turned up.
She is a hospitable woman, isn't she?---I can't give you any information on that.
If you say no, you can say no, but I don't want to hear about your dad?‑‑‑Sorry. Okay. Well, I wouldn't say hospitable. I said she's a nice person. But if we went to Dad's, Dad put the food out.
Vic my mums mum passed away tonight after a hear attack a week ago - didn't recover - we were all at the hospital tonight - too upset to talk tonight - that I should let you and dad know xo
Ali, my thoughts are with you and mom. And Rose-Marie.
As I said, Vicky was a friend of Dad's. Obviously sometimes tumultuous. They didn't have a consistent relationship. It was on and off.
How do you know that? How do you know that?---Because Dad told me. I had coffee every Saturday with him in Leederville. So, yes.
That's it?---Yes. She was a female friend of my father's.
From my conversations with friends, acquaintances and family members, I believe Robert's de facto relationship with the plaintiff ceased prior to Robert's death.
Hi, Ernest. How are you going? I met you a while back, and Vicky Varelis is my father's partner.
Later, on 14 January 2019, Stephanie and I spoke to Carmel Markham by telephone. Stephanie and I both said words to the effect that under no circumstances did we permit the Plaintiff's daughter, Lia, to list her mother as de facto nor approve any other content relating to the death certificate. Stephanie was distraught. The telephone call was placed on speaker to ask how the error occurred. Carmel apologised repeatedly for the error. However, did not tell us that there was any process by which to remedy the error.
In or around October 2019, I requested a meeting with Regional Manager Invocare, Daniel McKeig and then Subiaco Manager Mareena Purslowe, Carmel Markham. This was surrounding dads service and the unauthorised contact by persons other than my sister Stephanie, in particular the approval of dad's death certificate. Daniel informed me that he and Carmel had both received multiple communications of complaint from Vicky's brother Peter Varelis, and Vicky for months following dads service, up to 17 June 2019. At this meeting, Daniel showed me communication including on 22 May 2019 and 17 June 2019.
Both Daniel and Carmel informed me that Vicky and her family wanted an apology in writing stating that Vicky was the defacto of my late father and Vicky should have been the FSA (Funeral Service Agreement) holder. At this October 2019 meeting, Carmel said to me in words to the effect that Vicky wanted nothing to do with your father's funeral service or funeral service contract paperwork and account. I said to Carmel yes I know that was the case. Carmel thanked me in a sigh of relief in front of Daniel for agreeing with her. Carmel reinforced she was simply a client of Sussans Subiaco and not a personal friend of Vicky's and had no knowledge of relationship status between Vicky and Dad, as well as never meeting my father prior to his passing.
Daniel not knowing the situation, when Carmel was away on leave, replied to some communication stating something very different to the actual facts as he was not informed at a location level, being only at head office level. Both Daniel and Carmel apologised to me, explaining that they had no knowledge as to any relationship with Vicky and my father.
On 29 December 2018 after Dad passed, my sisters and I called Dad's former accountant John Palermo together.
John paid his condolences and asked to see us by ourselves and said in words to the effect that he knew exactly what Dad's wishes were. He said it was urgent to see us as he was going on holiday on 4 January 2019, the day of Dad's service.
My sisters and I went to John Palermo's office on Thursday 3 January 2019, the day before Dad's funeral around late morning. It was just John Palermo there as the office was closed over the Christmas holidays.
John spoke to us about how close he and Dad were and that they met every Thursday for coffee. John also said to us that he would like to manage Dad's estate for us and said my sisters and I were left everything in equal shares by my father.
John then went on to say Dad had four properties including Karrinyup in his personal name. However, the meeting got abruptly shut down when I inquired about missing properties such as a shopping centre/shops syndicate.
John replied saying that he had no knowledge of any other properties other than Dwyer Street and 193, 196 and 211 Scarborough Beach Road and started to wrap up the meeting.
I said in words to the effect of 'well hang on John, have you got a copy of Dad's Will? That is why you called us here isn't it?' John said in words to the effect that he would have to check with his staff when they return from Christmas holidays and that they would get back to us. John asked for our phone numbers and wrote them on a whiteboard and escorted us out.
John has never got back to me or my sisters in reference to his office holding a copy of dad's will.
On 14 March 2019, John Hammond did a mortgage search for me and found that dad had mortgaged his 11 Dwyer Street property to obtain $560,000 through NAB. This document was witnessed by dad's accountant John Palermo, on 5 March 2004.
Since dad's passing, I have phoned John Palermo at least 3 or 4 times in reference to his knowledge as to the reason for this sizeable loan as dad never had a mortgage on Karrinyup previously and John was his accountant so he would have the records.
John's response to me was he had no knowledge of the mortgage, and he was not a friend of dad's, he just did his accounting work and did not know dad on a personal level.
I mentioned that John himself had witnessed this mortgage document for dad, to refresh his memory, but John said he didn't remember, and dad may have raised the funds for personal use.
I replied saying my dad would never get a loan of this size for personal use and he didn't buy shares, so it could only be property. He detested loans.
John's response to me again was he has no knowledge and reiterated he was not a personal friend of dads, only a business acquaintance.
Well, what did you say? How did you approach that? When you say a property was missing, what did you say to him?---I said exactly that. I said, 'Hang on. What about the shopping centre syndicate that he was part of a unit trust with you?' And he said, 'No, no, nothing. That's it. Your dad had everything in his own names, and he only had the three commercial plus Karrinyup.' And because - I felt like I hit a nerve about - talking about the shopping centre syndicate. He stopped the meeting.
And he chased you out, effectively; that's what you're saying. Or he ushered you out?---Only when I asked about that - the shopping centre syndicate.
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And you put in that body of evidence to try and paint the impression that Mr Palermo knew something about it and had some involvement in it?---I can't answer that. It was just very odd that he needed to see us urgently and then stopped the meeting.
You believe Mr Palermo has done something or knows something about that property, don't you?---I do not know. We've never found out to this day.
From opening my clinic in 2005 up to 2018, I went to Oxford Street religiously on Saturdays for coffee. I would sit with Charles (Chum) Taylor and dad for a coffee and a chat. Dad took Chum out every single week.
Why did you write here his name is Charles Taylor?---I actually thought that was his, I actually thought it was his name, but we only ever referred to him as Chum.
Where did you get that Charles from?---I'm not sure actually. As I said, I only knew him as Chum. That's all I called him.
And you say he was a famous race cross person -race - - -?---Chum Taylor. Yes.
You assumed his name was Charles because of his nickname, Chum, didn't you?---No. No. As I said, I only knew him as Chum.
I see?---That's the only way we ever referred to him.
And then, if that's the case, why have you written there Charles?---I don't know. I thought that was his, you know, given name. But I never referred to him other than Chum.
It's also pleaded in your defence that it was Charles Chum Taylor who witnessed a will?---Yes. In my defence?
In your written defence in counterclaim?---In the pleadings?
In the counterclaim. Yes?---Yes. I don't know. But I'm just saying we only knew him as Chum - well, myself.
Hi Dad & Vicki. Came to see you. Dad I'll pop in @work tomorrow. Lose Rose + Nick.
In your evidence-in-chief, you say nothing about a meeting with Mareena Purslowe, meeting Carmel Markham, do you?---No.
Were you present at that meeting?---I was present. Yes. But I didn't really - it was Stephanie and - Stephanie, mainly, and Alison.
But you were present at that meeting?---Yes. I was present. But I - I wasn't - - -
Why didn't - - -?--- - - - the signatory or anything like that.
Why didn't you tell us about your presence and what you recall happened at that meeting?---Because I - I don't really understand exactly, you know? Like, I know what happened, but that wasn't involving me.
You don't recall, understand perfectly what happened. Is that what you are saying?---I - I wasn't - I wasn't paying attention to that when Stephanie was filling out the forms.
From what you observed at that meeting, Carmel Markham didn't do anything or say anything to make - to force people to sign documents, did she?---No, I don't - no.
She didn't rush anybody to do things. She was very mindful and respectful of the grieving family, wasn't she?---Yes - yes, she was lovely.
And you saw your sister sign documents at that meeting, didn't you?‑‑‑I - I - yes, I did.
And do you recall her going through the documents before she signed them?---She had two pieces of paper, and I - I saw her sign them. I -sign on two - two pieces of paper.
And go back to the first page of the stat dec, about three lines down:
My father's death certificate was fraudulently approved by a non-family member.
?---Yes.
What's the fraud you talk about?---Well, it - it was already filled in.
You're saying somebody fraudulent - 'fraud' means a criminal offence ‑ ‑ ‑?---Well - - -
doesn't it?---It was filled in. It was filled in. It wasn't filled in by - it was already filled in when we sat down, so - - -
So it was pre-filled in by somebody?---Yes.
So who is responsible for the fraud, you say?---Well, the funeral parlour.
And you talk about an ambush and series of threats behind the scenes by Lia, Victoria and her brother?---Exactly.
Series of threats?---Yes. There's emails and emails and phone calls.
We got there. He sat us down, and he said that he was very sorry about Dad's passing, and he said he wished he could be at the funeral, but he was going to be away and he wanted to have us come in here and he knew Dad's wishes. He knew exactly what Dad wanted, and he took our names and our phone numbers, and then I remember Alison saying something about the shopping centre syndicate, and it was just shut down.
On or about 3 January 2019, my sisters and I met with Mr Palermo at his office in Leederville before he went away the next day. I recall the following took place during this meeting:
(a) Mr Palermo said in words to the effect that he was very close with my father,
(b) he saw my father for coffee every Thursday and all of my father's assets and money had been left to me and my sisters equally, including the Dwyer Street Property and three commercial properties in Mount Hawthorn, which were all in his personal name and not a company name;
(c) Alison then asked Mr Palermo in words to the effect if he knew anything about my father's interest in a shopping centre syndicate;
(d) Mr Palermo responded in words to the effect that he did not know anything about the shopping centre syndicate and instead asked for all of our phone numbers, which we gave him, and he then ended the meeting;
(e) Alison then asked Mr Palermo in words to the effect if he had a copy of my father's will; and
(f) Mr Palermo responded by saying words to the effect that he did not know if he had a copy of my father's will and said he would check with his staff when they returned from the festive holidays.
The Plaintiff wanted us to use Mareena Purslowe in Subiaco for Robert's funeral arrangements, because she had a friend who worked there by the name of Carmel Markham ('Carmel').
This went against my better judgment and our families' wishes as our family only ever used Bowra and O'Dea.
The Plaintiff also advised that she only made enough to live and could not contribute to the funeral expenses.
During our first meeting with Mareena Purslowe, I was asked to answer particulars about Robert's parents, and his children among other things. I was also the signatory on the funeral account, listed as next of kin, and responsible for payment.
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The Plaintiff's name was already pre-filled as 'defacto' on Robert's temporary death certificate draft particulars prior to our arrival.
I advised Carmel that I wanted to check some details outside of her office and get back to her, but I was pressured to sign off the draft particulars then and there. I was reassured this was only a draft and Carmel would have this finalised with all of the correct information provided from me to approve in due course.
At that time, I did not know the definition of the term defacto.
Much to my surprise, the Plaintiff's daughter, Evangelia Karakyriakos, authorised the final temporary death certificate by email on 14 January 2019, which I was copied into, after a barrage of calls and emails to staff and the State Manager, Daniel McKeig, at Mareena Purslowe requesting an urgent turn around.
Good morning Lia and Stephanie
Please find attached as requested by Lia and Vicki, the registration details and a copy of the paid account.
The registration for the death can be lodged today if you both let the office know the details are correct.
It would have been a draft, yes, that she needed to proceed with. But I don't - not physically sign, as in yes, that is as true as I know.
That would be in here, the document that I got from Mareena Purslowe that I never approved. That's the whole - that's how it ended up on the certificate.
Okay. I then asked you whether you had every opportunity to review the documents in the application for cremation and instruction for ashes, as well as the application for permit to cremate, and you said, 'Yes. I could have read them if I wanted to. I elected not to'?---Sure. Yes. Sorry. Correct.
So that means no one was saying, 'Sign now,' and rushing you out. That didn't happen, did it?---The one I was referring to was the particulars of my father's death certificate. I was not sure, number 1, about my grandmother's middle name, the way it was spelt - - -
But I'm asking you what document are you talking about?---There was a draft death certificate that - she needed particulars that would eventually go onto my father's physical death certificate. There was a temporary, and then there's a death certificate that comes from - once the coroner has done their thing, it comes months - I think it took over a year for us to get it.
And where is that draft document you signed?---I don't know.
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So you were - - -?---Sorry. Let me rephrase. I've got the draft that she emailed me to sign off. That's what I have, an electronic.
But that's not the one you're talking about that you were put under pressure to sign?---No, no. Not - when I said sign, sign off on particulars about my father's family.
I see. So you were pressured to sign off the draft particulars then and there?---Yes. She was saying, 'Love, don't worry about it. We just need to get this through to get your dad's service underway. You will get a copy to approve.'
Well, what do you mean 'I was pressured to sign off'?---Well, say, 'Yes, that's okay for now,' sort of thing. I didn't - like, I didn't know exactly when my grandmother's - I think they were asking me when my grandparents were married, you know, middle names, things like that, and they said, 'It's not going to be the final death certificate. Don't worry.'
But you weren't talking about a death certificate; you're just talking about some particulars of information?---They needed a temporary death certificate to do Dad's arrangements.
And did she show you that document?---No.
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Your reference to that:
I was pressured to sign off the draft particulars there and there ‑ ‑ ‑
?---Yes.
Then and there - - -
?---Yes.
You can only mean you were put under pressure to sign something there at that time?---Yes, correct.
And what was that? The - - -?---The - - -
- - - temporary death certificate?---No. I never signed a temporary death certificate.
So what did you sign?---I signed these two documents. And then I had to give her the authorization to submit her temporary - whatever it was, the - I don't know the intricacies of how - - -
What did you - what were you pressured to sign off that you did then and there?---It was the particulars of my family, my dad's family, that - I didn't know exactly the spelling or the dates of my parents' wedding or any of that.
And you say you were reassured it was only a draft?---Which it was, yes.
So you went ahead and signed it?---No, I didn't sign it. Sign off on - -
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Did you sign off a third document that day?---Not physically, with a signature, no.
I had reinforced to Carmel at the funeral parlour, prior to this date, that under no circumstances Victoria's name is to be listed on my father's death certificate.
I think it is meaning Carmel, like, from the funeral parlour. Sorry. I don't think it means at, as a physical place.
I phoned my sister Alison in tears when I saw this disrespectful email and went and saw her. Alison lives in Subiaco. Due to this ambushing, I never even had a chance to grieve the loss of my own father. Alison and I contacted Carmel together and said what on earth is going on? I said I do not approve dad's death certificate listing Victoria Varelis as Defacto. My sister and I asked how this was listed on here in the first place, querying if Carmel and Vicky were friends. Carmel replied that she knew Vicky only on a surface level from shopping at Sussan's clothing store in Subiaco. They were not personal friends and she had never met my father and she sincerely apologised to both of us. Yet, this did not stop my father's death certificate being approved and collected by someone other than myself. I am still unsure how this slipped through the net, particularly given how vocal I was. This has been collateral damage for my family and legislation needs to change here. This is a serious error.
Victoria's brother Peter Varelis wrote letters of complaint to Mareena Purslowe Subiaco until June 2019. He had absolutely no right to do this as the funeral contract and funeral service had nothing to do with him or his family. My 2 sisters, my mother and I arranged dad's service held on 4 January 2019, with no contribution from anyone outside of my immediate family. Lia, Peter and Vicky made constant threats until they obviously wore staff down and got what they wanted. I believe Kerrie Owen even received a call from WA Police on Lia's behalf asking her to release dad's death certificate - which Kerrie would not do. The lengths this family went to was disgusting. This is fraud and coercion and should be taken up by WAPOL.
The circumstances to follow meant my family have been prevented from my father's particulars, as a fraudulent document (that I thought was legally binding) has out ranked his own daughters.
You talk about threats, etcetera, a call from the police.
The lengths this family went to was disgusting. This is fraud and coercion and should be taken up by WAPOL.
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What fraud are you referring to?---Well, the fact that they approved something that only I was legally able to do, and they have issued an apology.
So Mareena Purslowe was fraudulent, do you say?---Unless I have used the wrong terminology, but they admitted at fault. They have admitted fault for what they did.
You know, fraud is a very serious allegation, isn't it?---Well, sure. Yes.
You weren't truly suggesting a fraud had been committed?---Well, it was a - what is another word - a - they haven't abided by the agreement.
Yes. And then, in the next paragraph, you refer to a fraudulent document. Are you saying the death certificate with the word de facto was fraudulent? Is that what you are saying?---Sorry. Where are we? Sorry. The - - -
Last paragraph, second line?---A fraudulent document that I thought was leading (indistinct) - - -
You are talking about a death certificate referring to de facto. You are saying that is fraudulent, is it?---Well, it was never authorised by the authorised person. So maybe I have used fraudulent in the wrong way.
I was handing out the food amongst the guests as well as mingling and chatting to everybody.
Whilst handing out food amongst the guests I was talking to a lady who I knew to be Victoria Varelis about how sad it was regarding Robert's passing and the devastation to his girls.
I remember Victoria was standing roughly at arm's length from where I was standing during this conversation.
Whilst having this conversation with Victoria, Victoria got on to the topic of Robert's Will and his Estate.
I was not sure why Victoria would be talking about Robert's Will or the Estate, but I did think at the time that it was quite odd for Victoria to be talking about Robert's Estate and what he was going to do with it.
To the best of my memory, Victoria said words to the effect that the girls will be fine, Robert has left everything in his Will to his three gorgeous girls (She said this in a very loud voice).
Considering I was handing out the food, I was in earshot overhearing Victoria Varelis repeating this message at least half a dozen times, to the guests at the wake, in a high pitch load (sic) voice.
He stored his will in his home safe with his valuables.
He was too tight to store his will at a bank.
This was many years after his divorce around the time he retired from his muffler shop. I remember as I would drop past his Karrinyup home more regularly in passing.
In October 2018, we chatted he mentioned his Australian Post Will Kit. Robert never gave me any reason to believe he would change his will as he loved his daughter very much.
He boasted how it [the will kit] only cost him $20 bucks.
We know he did not die intestate. Unfortunately his last will and testament has not been produced. Has anyone been entrusted with a copy of all knowledge of, so we can honour our father's wishes stop please contact me via PM: PLEASE SHARE.[490]
Rose.. I knew your Dad well enough to know there was no way in hell he never had a will. He was an accute businessman and would never had wanted his estate to go to any other parties .. only his own flesh and blood.. namely his daughters. He was still in touch with them ,.. as I know. He, I believe was not intestate. He was still their dad to him and the girls!!
Rose I know other people who have also said how astute he was in regards to business. It just does not compute.[492]
And he would never have used the word 'legacy', would he have?---Well, he did use the word 'legacy'.
He used the word 'legacy'?---Yes. He did. He did.
What exactly did he say?---He just said - we were talking about wills, and I said that Ray had done the right thing by my two children, that they were left everything.
Yes?---And he said:
My girls are my legacy.
And he said:
And I will leave - and everything is to them too.
So he did say that word.
Who's Chum Taylor?---He's a friend of ours.
Who is he?---He's a champion speedway rider, and he was Robert's - one of Robert's very best friends.
He's a champion speedway rider?---Yes, and he was Robert's very best friend.
Yes?---And he witnessed Robert's will.
You were there, were you?---Yes. I heard about that.
No?---Well, I was told that.
By Alison again?---No, not by Alison.
By somebody else; I see?---Not by Alison.
So what will are you talking about?---I hardly ever see Alison.
What will are you talking about?---Well, when him and Kerry had a will - had their wills done.
So that's when Chum Taylor witnessed it, did he?---Chum Taylor has been in - was in their life for a long, long time.
So Chum Taylor witnessed the will when Kerry and he made wills together?---Well - - -
Is that what you're saying?---Maybe, that's what the will was, then.
You're just guessing. Speculation?---No, I'm not guessing.
You don't know these things from your own - - -?---I do know.
From your - - -?---I know what I've said to Robert, and I know what Robert said to me.
And that's all you can tell us?---That's - exactly.
So, then, don't tell us things that you don't know from your own personal knowledge?---I'm telling you what he said to me and what I - what I do know from other people.
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Well, who told you, then, about - that Chum Taylor witnessed his will? Who told you that?---Well, I - well - - -
Who?---It could have been his son, Glen Taylor, that may have told me that, 'Dad took' - 'Dad went with Robert.'
Do you know that or you just - - -?---No, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just knowing that Ali was very close with her dad and Rose-Marie and - and Stephanie. They - he had a good relationship with the three of them.[507]
'I have my original will done with your Aunty Kerry in my safe at home.'
I believed Uncle Rob to be talking about 11 Dwyer Street, Karrinyup as this was the home he lived in.
'If anything ever happens to me or Aunty Kerry everything goes to my three girls.'
Uncle Rob said 'I'm going to get my will re-done, make sure everything is done properly. I want everything to go to my three girls.'
Uncle Rob said 'I'm going to get one of those post office wills.'
I laughed at Uncle Rob as I thought he was joking, I said 'What?'
He said 'Don't worry, I know what I'm doing.'
I swear this affidavit in response to the Family Provision Act claim made by Victoria.
In or around June 2008, I recall an occasion when I ran into Uncle Robert in Leederville.
I know it was around this time in 2008 because on that day I was interviewing for a new job at Broadway Dry Cleaners in Leederville. I had given birth to my youngest daughter, Caitlin, in 2006 and worked on a casual basis after her birth. However, my job interview for Broadway Dry Cleaners was for a 'full-time' job.
On this day, I recall that I had to drop my kids at their daycare centre on Turon Street in Morley, before I went to my job interview. My partner at the time who was a truck driver needed to use my car that day. I cannot recall exactly who drove that day, but I remember dropping my kids at their daycare centre and then going to the train station so that I could get to my job interview while my partner used the car.
My job interview at Broadway Dry Cleaners was mid-morning, although I do not recall the exact time. After catching the train to the Leederville Train Station, I walked from the Leederville Train Station up Oxford Street to the Broadway Dry Cleaners which was located on Oxford Street but much closer to the Scarborough Beach Road end.
The interview did not take very long. After the interview, I walked back to the Leederville Train Station along Oxford Street. I saw Uncle Robert sitting at a coffee shop with John White and Chum Taylor on the right side of Oxford Street as I was walking south towards the Leederville Train Station.
I had met John White before and knew who Chum Taylor was.
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When I first walked up to the table at the cafe, I had a joke with Uncle Robert as I usually did. I asked him what he was doing, and he said he was doing business. I laughed and said something to the effect of- 'drinking coffee doesn't look like business to me'. He told me that he had just been with his accountant and that the 'little ding' had walked back up the road. I understood the 'little ding' to be a reference to his accountant, John Palermo, who I believe is of Italian descent. Uncle Robert had frequently referred to his accountant, John, in that manner in front of me.
On the cafe table that Uncle Robert was sitting at was a document open in front of him. It was not being held by anyone. While it was open on the table, I had the chance to look at it. I immediately recognised it to be an Australia Post will. I knew it was a will because I had seen my grandparents' will and my Uncle Keith's will and it looked the same. When I first saw the will on the table, it was folded out to the full extent so that I could see everything on the first long page of the will.
Once when I was growing up, I helped my mum fill out Uncle Keith's will. I misspelled his name 'Kieth' instead of 'Keith', and Mum told me I had messed it up and she would have to go and get a new will from the post office.
The reason why I started looking at the will was because I wanted to make a joke to Uncle Robert about why he had left me out. While I was reading the will, I saw:
(a) the first section, which said the name 'Biagio Robert Rispoli' written;
(b) the second section, which had the name John White written;
(c) a blank part underneath the word 'Gifts' or some words similar to that; and
(d) at the bottom of the first page, the words 'in equal parts' and the three names of my cousins, Rose-Marie Rispoli, Alison Rispoli and Stephanie Rispoli. I believe their middle names were also written, although I do not recall these off the top of my head.
It was a windy day. The pages of the will were blowing back and forth while the will was on the table. At one stage the long page blew over to the other side and I saw:
(a) the witness section of the will;
(b) the name Charles Taylor and a signature next to it; and
(c) the name 'Palermo' and a signature next to it.
I knew Palermo to be Uncle Robert's accountant, who I had just been told by Uncle Robert had headed back up the road to his office.
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I said to Chum, 'is your real name Charles?'. He said something to the effect that, yes, I thought you would know that. I said something like, 'No, I know you as Chum'.
At some point, I said to Uncle Robert jokingly, words to the effect that 'you've forgotten your favourite niece'. I recall Uncle Robert saying something to the effect that everything was being left to his daughters and that Aunty Kerry wouldn't be getting any more money out of him.
The conversation took about 10 to 15 minutes. I was not in a hurry to get anywhere as my kids didn't need to be picked up from daycare until later that day. At some point during the conversation about the will, Uncle Robert said something like 'John's the boss when I'm gone'. I had seen his name as executor on the will.
I did not see the name Victoria Varelis anywhere on the document.
And who else was at the table?---No one. One of the - as I walked down there, a youngish, sort of - older than me, Italian bloke walked back the other way. I seen them say goodbye as I walked past them. I said, 'Hey', you know, as I - -
There was - - -?--- - - - walked past.
- - - somebody else walking past?---Walking away from the table, as I walked down the street.
Yes?---I noticed Uncle Robert. And then I walked past a little young fellow. He was not young. He was younger than my uncle. But I walked past him and because he left the table, I looked at him. And I thought I recognised him. And I said, 'Hey.'
So - - -?---And he said - - -
So somebody - - -?--- - - - hello - - -
Else - - -?--- - - - back.
You saw somebody else at the table, but then they walked away. Is that - - -?---I seen somebody else leaving the table. He had already stood up.
Yes?---And he was walking away. I was coming from the lights.
And why don't you say that in your affidavit?---Because he wasn't sitting at the table.
Okay?---When I walked up and spoke to Uncle Robert and John
Yes?--- - - - he wasn't sitting there.
And it's correct, isn't it, that when you saw the witness section of the will, you didn't see the name Palermo. You only saw the signature?‑‑‑You are saying that. But I knew who he was, so I presumed that was Palermo.
Okay. So you presumed the signature you saw was Palermo?---Well, he just walked off.
Okay. So you made an assumption, because you had seen someone who Robert had referred to as the Little Ding, walk off, that he had signed this will?---Yes. They were sitting all there together when I came across the lights.
They weren't signing it - - -?---And then he got up.
- - - at that stage, were they?---Palermo was putting the pen away. He was doing stuff, putting shit back in his bag. Then, he stood up to walk off, and he done his see-you-laters, walked down the street. I have crossed the road. I could see them from the opposite side of the road. He was standing up, doing his bits and pieces. As I have come across the road, he has walked down. We have passed, I don't know, a couple hundred metres down the road.
So you didn't - - -?---And I said hello to him.
You didn't see Palermo sign this will, did you?---I didn't see anyone sign it.
That is right. So by the time you got there, you saw a signature, you say?---Yes.
And you assumed that was John Palermo's signature?---It looked like Palermo from where I was standing.
But it could have been something else. Because he said he has no recollection of witnessing it?---He - what?
He has given evidence in this court that he has no recollection of ever witnessing this will?---Well, I don't know about any of that. I wasn't here. I wouldn't be able to tell you that. I haven't seen this man in years.
I am telling you that is what he said. So I am asking you, - -?---He was there that day. He was with Uncle Robert that day.
But you can't be certain?---And he was also over at the workshop a fair bit. When I called in, I seen him maybe three times. And when I used to drive past Leederville, that coffee shop, him and Uncle Robert used to be having coffees.
Ms Smith, just listen to the question if you would, please. You can't be certain that that was his signature on the will, can you?---From what I recognise, no. I cannot be absolutely totally certain because no, I did not see him sign it.
And - - -?---But I - - -
And you didn't see his name printed next to it either, did you?---I seen Palermo. That is all I recognised.
On the signature or some - - -?---Signature. Palermo. Okay?---That is what I read when I was looking at it.
COBBY J: Ms Smith, you just said that you had passed Mr Palermo a couple of hundred metres down from the coffee shop. Is that right?‑‑‑Yes. He had got up from the table and was walking back towards whatever that - Fitzgerald Street, is it? He - the cross street where the lights are. I had crossed over. And I was walking down. I noticed him from back on the other side.
So you - - -?---As I walked over, then, I got down the road. And I was oh yeah, it is them, you know, sort of watching.
So he was several hundred metres away - - -?---And he got up and left.
- - - from the coffee table, was he?---I wouldn't know if you would call it a couple of hundred metres. I am not good with distance. But we crossed paths. And then, I continued on down to where Uncle Robert was. But he stood up from the table. As I had crossed over the road, he was standing up and walked back past me.
When the two of you passed each other, how far away were you from the coffee table?---I don't know if you would call it three hundred metres.
HERSHOWITZ, MR: Maybe 100 metres?---Probably about five or six shops away from where he was, not even, I suppose. It was like from the corner to there. It wouldn't even be - - -
COBBY J: How did you see him put a pen away?---Pardon?
How did you see him put a pen away?---He was standing up and fussing around with stuff. And he had a bag. And he was putting stuff in it.
You don't see a pen?---Well, it looked like he had something in his hand that he was putting in the bag. I can't tell you for sure it was a pen. It could have been anything else.
It could have been - - -?---But he had something in his hand that he was putting away as I looked down the road. That is what made me notice him because he stood up.
Why, then, would you swear an affidavit under oath, which you confirmed today, which says something different?---If those lawyers are putting Charles Taylor, that - that's on them. That's probably something they've added in.
Who - - -?---I asked about it.
Who - - -?---And I did talk about it.
Who has added - - -?---And - - -
Who has added in?---Well, whoever printed this up. I was talking to those lawyers down the road there, Barrack Street. Subway is underneath it - and Dome - went up there, and I wrote my statement out.
So - - -?---And we went through it together. I was talking and saying that I asked if his name was Charles.
But you - - -?---Right.
You confirmed this morning to his Honour that this affidavit was true and correct?---Yes, it is.
Well, it - - -?---That's what I wrote.
Well, it's not, because you're now saying that somebody else put something in your affidavit which is incorrect?---I re-read over it quickly. I obviously didn't realise that they had written Charles. The conversation was I asked if his name was Charles.
And it's correct, isn't it, that when you saw the witness section of the will, you didn't see the name Palermo. You only saw the signature?‑‑‑You are saying that. But I knew who he was, so I presumed that was Palermo.
I need some money. Things are really bad. I'm going to have to get a job, you know. [I'm going to] have to sell my house. And I'm really, really stressed out. I'm worried about the future.
'You will be fine.' She said, 'You - your father will look after you. You - you girls - you - you have been left everything in his will. It has all been left to you three beautiful girls,' like that.
Then you say, after the funeral, you drove to Subiaco on 12 April. How do you recall that date some five years ago or four years, five years ago?---I recall the date.
The precise date, 12 April, what day of the week was that?---Well, I can't remember that.
And how do you recall that date?---Well, because I had - - -
Five years ago, did you document it anywhere?---I had written it down the day I went to see Vicky.
Where did you write it down?---I - I just recall the day.
You just said you had written it down?---I'm not sure if I sent a text, but I - I - yes.
I'm just trying to understand when you say you're not sure if you sent a text. If you sent a text to who?---Well, that was the day, which - - -
Well, you've just mentioned you sent a text?---I said I could have sent a text.
To whom?---It would have been to Vicky to say I'm coming over. I'm not sure. I can't - I don't remember.
Do you have text messages between yourself and Victoria?---Not anymore.
What have you done with it?---I deleted them years ago.
When Rob came back downstairs, he had in his hand his will. He told me that he had bought it from Australia Post. He seemed quite proud that he had only paid something like $20 for it. Rob said something like 'Don't waste your money on a lawyer for your will, it is much cheaper and has the same effect if you get a will kit from Australia Post. You just need to appoint an executor and have two witnesses to sign it.'
The will was a booklet that folded out in the middle. It had a blue glossy cover and was called a ' Single Will Pack'. Rob had the will in his hands with the long page folded out, which was thicker than the rest of the pages and similar to certificate paper. Rob showed me both sides of the long page.
When I was shown the front page of the will, I observed:
(a) Rob's full name 'Biagio Roberto Rispoli' was the first thing written on the front page.
(b) Below Rob's name was the name John White. I specifically recall the name 'White', which for some reason stuck in my mind.
(c) On the bottom of the first page, I recall seeing the. names of Rob's three daughters, Rose-Marie Rispoli, Alison Rispoli and Stephanie Rispoli.
When I was shown the back page of the will, I observed:
(a) Rob's signature.
(b) The signature and name of two witnesses, namely Charles Taylor and John Palermo.
All the handwritten entries in Rob's will were done in black pen.
I did not see the name Victoria Varelis on the will.
I had met Charles Taylor previously with Robert. He was referred to as 'Chum'. Chum came with Robert and me to inspect a Cadillac in Maddington that Rob wanted to do up as a hobby project. It was somewhat of a wild goose chase and that sticks in my mind. I was also told by Rob that he and Chum would catch up religiously on Saturday mornings for coffee. I would attend on some of these Saturdays and would see Alison there occasionally.
I knew John Palermo was Rob's accountant. I had met John once before in Leederville. He walked down from his office and had a coffee with Rob and me.
After showing me the will; which only took a few minutes, Rob then folded it up, left the kitchen and went back upstairs to return the will.
During our first meeting with Mareena Purslowe, I was asked to answer particulars about Robert's parents, and his children among other things. I was also the signatory on the funeral account, listed as next of kin, and responsible for payment.
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The plaintiff's name was already pre-filled as 'defacto' on Robert's temporary death certificate draft particulars prior to our arrival.
I advised Carmel that I wanted to check some details outside of her office and get back to her, but I was pressured to sign off the draft particulars then and there. I was reassured that this was only a draft and Carmel would have all of the correct information provided from me to approve in due course.
At that time, I did not know the definition of the term defacto.
Stephanie and Alison's communications with Mrs Markham after 2 January 2019
The expression 'de facto partners' evolved as both a comparison and a contrast with the relationship of marriage. A 'de facto relationship' was, in ordinary parlance, a relationship which exhibited the characteristics of mutual commitment familiar in the relationship of marriage, save for the solemnities involved in the formal exchange of wedding vows between a man and a woman.
The statutory concept of 'a de facto relationship' is not far removed from the common understanding of such a concept in Australian society. The expression 'de facto relationship' evolved, in common parlance, as both a comparison, and a contrast, with the relationship of marriage. A 'de facto relationship' was, in ordinary parlance, a relationship which exhibited the characteristics of mutual commitment familiar in a relationship of marriage, save for the solemnities involved in a formal exchange of wedding vows.
First, it must be established that there actually was a Will, or a document purporting to embody the testamentary intentions of a deceased person; second, it must be shown that that document revoked all previous Wills, third, the presumption that when a Will is not produced it has been destroyed must be overcome, fourth, there must be evidence of its terms, and fifth, there must be either evidence of due execution or that the deceased person intended the document to constitute his or her Will.
In addressing these various issues, the decided cases indicate that the standard of proof to be applied is the civil standard of proof, namely, proof on the balance of probabilities... However, it seems that in applying the balance of probabilities standard the Court must be vigilant, being fully cognisant of the dangers of error and fraud, and the gravity of the consequences flowing from any finding made... (citations omitted).
(a) declare that Victoria was in a de facto relationship with Robert for at least two years prior to his death on 25 December 2018;
(b) appoint Victoria as administrator of Robert's estate; and
(c) dismiss the counterclaim.
I certify that the preceding paragraph(s) comprise the reasons for decision of the Supreme Court of Western Australia.
[1] Curwood v Codde [2024] WASC 378 [8]; Smith v Tamworth [1997] NSWSC 197; [1997] 41 NSWLR 680, 693.
[2] G v O [2022] WASC 23 [122] (G v O).
[30] In the context of the transfer of a 2003 BMW car to Victoria in August 2015: Exhibit 56.
[31] See Sociètè d'Avances Commerciales (Sociètè Anonyme Egyptienne) v Merchants' Marine Insurance Co (The 'Palitana') (1924) 20 Lloyds Law Rep 140, 152; Fox v Percy [2003] HCA 22; (2003) 214 CLR 118 [30].
[32] Fabre v Arenales (1992) 27 NSWLR 437 451D.
[33] Ali v Nationwide News Pty Ltd [2008] NSWCA 183 [112].
[34] HSH Hotels (Aust) Ltd v Multiplex Constructions Pty Ltd [2004] NSWCA 302, [87]; Bulstrode v Trimble [1970] VicRp 104; [1970] VR 840, 849.
[35] Hughes v National Trustees Executors and Agency Co Ltd [1979] HCA 2; (1979) 143 CLR 134, 137 ‑ 138 (Hughes).
[36] Gair v Bowers [1909] HCA 57; (1909) 9 CLR 510, 521, 526, 530.
[37] Fitzroy River Ltd Liability Company v Tucker as joint and several administrator of Yeeda Pastoral Company Pty Ltd (Subject to Deed of Company Arrangement) [2025] WASCA 118 [112].
[39] Blacket v Barnett [2017] NSWSC 1032 [243] - [258].
[53] s 39F(1)(b)(i), Evidence Act 1906 (WA).
[54] s 39F(1)(b)(ii), Evidence Act 1906 (WA).
[55] s 39F(1)(b)(ii), Evidence Act 1906 (WA).
[56] See Holland v Jones [1917] HCA 26; (1917) 23 CLR 149, 153.
[224] Jones v Dunkel [1959] HCA 8 (1959) 101 CLR 298.
[416] ts 798. It seems Stephanie removed the box of photographs from the house.
[538] Ms Italiano was living in Joondanna at the time of the trial: ts 925.
[543] Exhibit AA21, [21.1] - [21.3].
[590] Second Defendant and Counterclaimant's Outline of Opening Submissions filed 30 October 2024 [100].
[591] Second Defendant and Counterclaimant's Outline of Opening Submissions filed 30 October 2024 [101].
[627] There was no objection to the question.
[632] KQ v HAE [2006] QCA 489; [2007] 2 Qd R 32 [18] (KQ v HAE).
[634] Thompson v Public Trustee of New South Wales [2010] NSWSC 1137 (Thompson).
[635] See Irwin v Pamplin [2017] NSWSC 1477 [35]; Bezjak v Watt [2018] NSWSC 199 [42]; Pollock v New South Wales Trustee & Guardian [2022] NSWSC 923 [400].
[637] See s 85, Acts Amendment (Lesbian and Gay Law Reform Act 2002 (WA).
[638] Delamare v Aspey [2014] FAMFAC 218 [19].
[639] Cahill v Rhodes [2002] NSWSC 561 [55].
[640] Orifici; Re the Estate of Rosario Giuseppe Orifici v Orifici [2007] WASC 74 [59].
[641] Second Defendant and Counterclaimant's Outline of Opening Submissions filed 30 October 2024 [100].
[642] Second Defendant and Counterclaimant's Outline of Opening Submissions [101]. Mr Palermo's evidence was that his father died in 2015.
[645] As to which see Re Ralston, Supreme Court of New South Wales, 2 Sept 1996, unreported, BC9604329 and Payten v Perpetual Trustee Co Ltd [2005] NSWSC 345 [88] - [89], noting that the Uniform Evidence Law does not apply in Western Australia.
(1917) 23 CLR 149
(1959) 101 CLR 298
(2003) 214 CLR 118
(1992) 27 NSWLR 437
(1979) 143 CLR 134
(1909) 9 CLR 510