[2025] FWC 3326
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-11-05
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Unfair dismissal
Application for an unfair dismissal remedy - jurisdictional objections - whether Respondent a small business employer - whether Respondent has associated entities - whether dismissal a case of genuine redundancy - Small Business Fair Dismissal Code does not apply - dismissal not a case of genuine redundancy - no evidence as to reason for dismissal - lack of procedural fairness - Applicant unfairly dismissed - reinstatement inappropriate - compensation awarded.
"It is the companies [sic] position that the previous email covered all points of reply, regarding lyre [sic] commissioners [sic] directions, specifically, small Business and redundancy.
no further information is Outstanding or to be provided."
The Directions require the Respondent to file material in support of its jurisdictional objections and the merits of the application. The material filed by the Respondent to date is insufficient to substantiate its position on these matters.
The Commissioner would expect, at a minimum, a witness statement from Mr Gathercole, outlining his involvement with his various corporate entities for the purpose of determining whether there are associated entities of the Respondent and whether the Respondent is a small business employer. The witness statement would further detail Mr Gathercole's involvement in the Applicant's dismissal for the purpose of determining whether the dismissal was a case of genuine redundancy, and if necessary, whether the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable.
In the event Mr Gathercole does not provide a detailed witness statement, he will be giving extensive oral evidence at the hearing commencing at 4:00pm (AEST) on 20 August 2025, answering questions of the Commissioner and any questions in cross-examination. Mr Gathercole has now been ordered to attend the hearing, together with Ms MacGregor."
(1) A person who has been dismissed may apply to the FWC for an order under Division 4 granting a remedy.
Note 1: Division 4 sets out when the FWC may order a remedy for unfair dismissal.
Note 3: Part 6 1 may prevent an application being made under this Part in relation to a dismissal if an application or complaint has been made in relation to the dismissal other than under this Part.
(a) within 21 days after the dismissal took effect; or
(b) within such further period as the FWC allows under subsection (3).
A person has been unfairly dismissed if the FWC is satisfied that:
(b) the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; and
(c) the dismissal was not consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code; and
(d) the dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy.
Note: For the definition of consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code: see section 388."
(1) A national system employer is a small business employer at a particular time if the employer employs fewer than 15 employees at that time.
(2) For the purpose of calculating the number of employees employed by the employer at a particular time:
(a) subject to paragraph (b), all employees employed by the employer at that time are to be counted; and
(b) a casual employee is not to be counted unless, at that time, the employee is a regular casual employee of the employer.
(3) For the purpose of calculating the number of employees employed by the employer at a particular time, associated entities are taken to be one entity.
(4) To avoid doubt, in determining whether a national system employer is a small business employer at a particular time in relation to the dismissal of an employee, or termination of an employee's employment, the employees that are to be counted include (subject to paragraph (2)(b)):
(a) the employee who is being dismissed or whose employment is being terminated;
(b) any other employee of the employer who is also being dismissed or whose employment is also being terminated."
(1) One entity (the associate) is an associated entity of another entity (the principal) if subsection (2), (3), (4), (5), (6) or (7) is satisfied.
(a) an entity (the third entity) controls both the principal and the associate; and
(b) the operations, resources or affairs of the principal and the associate are both material to the third entity."
(1) For the purposes of this Act, an entity controls a second entity if the first entity has the capacity to determine the outcome of decisions about the second entity's financial and operating policies.
(2) In determining whether the first entity has this capacity:
(a) the practical influence the first entity can exert (rather than the rights it can enforce) is the issue to be considered; and
(b) any practice or pattern of behaviour affecting the second entity's financial or operating policies is to be taken into account (even if it involves a breach of an agreement or a breach of trust)."
(1) A person's dismissal was a case of genuine redundancy if:
(a) the person's employer no longer required the person's job to be performed by anyone because of changes in the operational requirements of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the employer has complied with any obligation in a modern award or enterprise agreement that applied to the employment to consult about the redundancy.
(2) A person's dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy if it would have been reasonable in all the circumstances for the person to be redeployed within:
(b) the enterprise of an associated entity of the employer."
In considering whether it is satisfied that a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, the FWC must take into account:
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant."
"Honestly I wish you where [sic] hear [sic] in oz to help with modular sales. Really need some extra help! :)"
was due to resume from two days' annual leave today at 8:30 AEST. I will be on personal leave for the remainder of this week and all next week to Friday April 11th.
The past Monday Mar 31st and Tuesday Apr 1st were regularly requested as annual leave two weeks ago for a personal commitment and confirmed in the diary.
Two personal days were requested last week (Thu and Fri) after a workplace issue arose that affected my mental health.
It was arranged with Nathan to be discussed this morning.
As he requested yesterday, he was messaged at 6am AEST and I waited for contact to be made until 10:30 AEST.
These coming days are not to be deducted from annual leave, please.
They have been accrued since contract resumption, accounting for the pro-rata special arrangement I spontaneously volunteered to reduce to from my permanent full time role contracted hours to assist the business with cash flow concerns last November.
Appreciate further communication kindly be by email."
"Hi Steve your position has been made redundant and your services is [sic] no longer required offering you standard one weeks notice starting today. We wish you best of luck with all future endeavours."
Please stop communication with staff as you no longer work for the company and this will cube [sic] classed as harraent [sic] harassment and dealt with accordingly.
If you wish to pursue your employment case with fair work, please do.
"It should also be noted that I wanted to Fire steven for serious misconduct. Due to providing internal sales documents to a past employee on numerous occasions.
It was ella's position that he be made redundant due an ongoing issue of sales. Stevens
decision to move overseas meant that he was not able to service clients in our showroom.
Sales had drasitically [sic] dropped and his position was not sustainable on phone sales."
a) that would result in the total number of employees being 15 or more; or
b) to which Mr Cartarrasa could have been redeployed.
Is the Respondent a small business employer and if so, was the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code complied with?
(a) Mr Gathercole has the capacity to determine the outcome of decisions about the Respondent's and at least Dream Modular Homes' financial and operating policies;
(b) the practical influence Mr Gathercole can exert, rather than the rights he can enforce has been considered; and
(c) the practices or pattern of behaviour affecting the Respondent's financial or operating policies has been taken into account.
"It may be that the termination is harsh but not unjust or unreasonable, unjust but not harsh or unreasonable, or unreasonable but not harsh or unjust. In many cases the concepts will overlap. Thus, the one termination of employment may be unjust because the employee was not guilty of the misconduct on which the employer act, may be unreasonable because it was decided upon inferences which could not reasonably have been drawn from the material before the employer, and may be harsh in its consequences for the personal and economic situation of the employee or because it is disproportionate to the gravity of the misconduct in respect of which the employer acted."
s.387(a) - whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees)
"In its context in s.170DE(1), the adjective 'valid' should be given the meaning of sound, defensible or well founded. A reason which is capricious, fanciful, spiteful or prejudiced could never be a valid reason for the purposes of s.170DE(1) At the same time the reasons must be valid in the context of the employee's capacity or conduct or based on upon the operational requirements of the employer's business. Further, in consideration whether a reason is valid, it must be remembered that the requirement applies in the practical sphere of the relationship between an employer and an employee where each has rights and privileges and duties and obligations conferred and imposed on them. The provisions must 'be applied in a practical, common-sense way to ensure that the employer and employee are treated fairly'."
s.387(b) - Whether the person was notified of that reason
s.387(c) - Whether there was an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person
s.387(d) - Any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to the dismissal
"This factor will only be a relevant consideration when an employee asks to have a support person present in a discussion relating to dismissal and the employer unreasonably refuses. It does not impose a positive obligation on employers to offer an employee the opportunity to have a support person present when they are considering dismissing them."
s.387(e) - If the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal.
s.387(f) - Whether the respondent's size impacted on the procedures followed and s.387(g) - Whether the absence of a dedicated human resource management specialist impacted on the procedures followed
"390 When the FWC may order remedy for unfair dismissal
(1) Subject to subsection (3), the FWC may order a person's reinstatement, or the payment of compensation to a person, if:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that the person was protected from unfair dismissal (see Division 2) at the time of being dismissed; and
(b) the person has been unfairly dismissed (see Division 3).
(2) The FWC may make the order only if the person has made an application under section 394.
(3) The FWC must not order the payment of compensation to the person unless:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that reinstatement of the person is inappropriate; and
(b) the FWC considers an order for payment of compensation is appropriate in all the circumstances of the case.
Note: Division 5 deals with procedural matters such as applications for remedies."
(1) An order for the payment of compensation to a person must be an order that the person's employer at the time of the dismissal pay compensation to the person in lieu of reinstatement.
(2) In determining an amount for the purposes of an order under subsection (1), the FWC must take into account all the circumstances of the case including:
(a) the effect of the order on the viability of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the length of the person's service with the employer; and
(c) the remuneration that the person would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the person had not been dismissed; and
(d) the efforts of the person (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered by the person because of the dismissal; and
(e) the amount of any remuneration earned by the person from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation; and
(f) the amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by the person during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation; and
(g) any other matter that the FWC considers relevant.
(3) If the FWC is satisfied that misconduct of a person contributed to the employer's decision to dismiss the person, the FWC must reduce the amount it would otherwise order under subsection (1) by an appropriate amount on account of the misconduct.
(4) The amount ordered by the FWC to be paid to a person under subsection (1) must not include a component by way of compensation for shock, distress or humiliation, or other analogous hurt, caused to the person by the manner of the person's dismissal.
(5) The amount ordered by the FWC to be paid to a person under subsection (1) must not exceed the lesser of:
(a) the amount worked out under subsection (6); and
(b) half the amount of the high income threshold immediately before the dismissal.
(6) The amount is the total of the following amounts:
(whichever is higher) for any period of employment with the employer during the 26 weeks immediately before the dismissal; and
(b) if the employee was on leave without pay or without full pay while so employed during any part of that period - the amount of remuneration taken to have been received by the employee for the period of leave in accordance with the regulations."
The effect of the order on the viability of the Respondent
The remuneration that Mr Cartarrasa would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if he had not been dismissed
The efforts of Mr Cartarrasa (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered because of the dismissal
The amount of any remuneration earned by Mr Cartarrasa from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation
The amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by Mr Brown during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation
R Diqer of Counsel, instructed by J Wray of Legal Aid Queensland, for the Applicant.
[1] Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) s.23(3).
[3] Citing Melisa Morgan v Heritage Motels and Restaurants [2016] FWC 4842; Varani v Independent Advocacy in the Tropics Incorporated T/A Independent Advocacy Townsville [2011] FWA 1633.
[5] Sayer v Melsteel [2011] FWAFB 7498 at [20].
[6] Walton v Mermaid Dry Cleaners Pty Ltd [1996] IRCA 267; (1996) 142 ALR 681, 685.
[11] Sprigg v Paul's Licensed Festival Supermarket Print R0235 (AIRCFB, Munro J, Duncan DP, Jones C, 24 December 1998) at para. 26, [(1998) 88 IR 21].
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Steven Cartarrasa
Smart Tech Retail Group Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 3326
(1995) 62 IR 371
(1995) 185 CLR 410
(1996) 142 ALR 681
(1998) 88 IR 21