R v Stojic

R v Stojic - [2020] NSWSC 730 - NSWSC 2020 case summary — Zoe

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The Crown case in brief outline

The Crown's case on the charge of murder was circumstantial. In addition to the evidence that the deceased died of gunshot wounds inflicted when he was in his campervan in the early morning of 26 July 2017, the Crown relied principally on evidence to the following effect: 1. 15 days prior to the death of the deceased, the accused was seen with a .32 calibre pistol which was the same calibre as the weapon which was used to shoot the deceased; 2. the accused was the owner of the Statewide Office Furniture business, had keys to gain access to the premises and sometimes resided in the premises; 3. CCTV footage showed a person walking from the premises of Statewide Office Furniture towards the location of the deceased's campervan, which was in a nearby parking area, and walking back again soon after, both at about the time of the deceased's 000 call and at about the time the deceased was shot; 4. telephone records established the accused's mobile telephone was in the vicinity of Statewide Office Furniture's premises and the campervan at the relevant times; 5. the accused said that there was a dead body in the campervan after the shooting and prior to the deceased's body being located and he made other comments indicating knowledge of what occurred prior to that being otherwise disclosed; 6. the accused made admissions to an employee of Statewide Office Furniture, Mr Orr, to the effect that he shot the deceased; and 7. inside the accused's room at Statewide Office Furniture's premises, police located one .32 calibre bullet and a number of fired shells of the same calibre.
In relation to the firearms and weapons charges, the Crown relied primarily on the evidence of the results of the execution of a search warrant at the premises of Statewide Office Furniture, and certificates as to the accused's lack of a licence or permit and as to the firearm being unregistered as well as forensic evidence relating to DNA on relevant items.
At this point it should be noted that, during final addresses, the Crown conceded that there were insurmountable difficulties with proof to the requisite standard of the elements of the charges relating to possession of a "detachable box magazine", which are the subject of counts 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. There was no dispute that in respect of these counts the appropriate verdict is not guilty. Having reviewed the evidence with the assistance of a note provided, by leave, by counsel for the accused, I am satisfied that the Crown's concession was properly made and that verdicts of not guilty should be returned in respect of those counts.

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The evidence

The Crown approached the evidence in this matter by tendering, without objection, two folders of documents. [1] This material included: 1. a statement from a nearby resident who heard gunshots on the night in question; 2. a statement from a person who worked at a nearby business in Garema Circuit, Kingsgrove concerning events on the day the accused was arrested involving the accused near the location of the shooting; 3. seven statements from workmates and supervisors of the deceased, Mr Jardine, concerning his employment and what happened before and after he was shot; 4. seven statements from employees of Statewide Office Furniture concerning the business and its premises in Garema Circuit and the activities and statements of the accused before and after the shooting; 5. two statements from friends of the accused concerning his background and his conduct and statements before and after the shooting; 6. 18 statements from police officers concerning their attendance at the scene of the shooting in the car parking area in Garema Circuit and their investigations, together with relevant photographs and annexures; 7. seven statements from crime scene, forensics and ballistics experts, together with the interim cause of death report, photographs and maps; 8. a transcript of Mr Jardine's 000 call made on the night he was shot; 9. a transcript of the electronically recorded interview, or ERISP, given by the accused at the time of his arrest on 29 July 2017; 10. the autopsy report and verification of death form in relation to Mr Jardine; 11. five certificates under s 87 of the Firearms Act 1996 (NSW) concerning whether the accused held relevant licences or permits in relation to the firearms and weapons offences and whether the firearm was registered; 12. records relating to the use of the mobile telephones of the accused and the deceased relied upon by the police witnesses in order, among other things, to identify the cell towers with which the telephones were communicating during the hours either side of the shooting of the deceased; 13. a report of Prof Greenberg, forensic psychiatrist, dated 17 November 2019; 14. a transcript of the 000 call made by one of Mr Jardine's workmates on the morning of 26 July 2017; and 15. a transcript of the electronically recorded interview or ERISP given by Mr Alam, who was driving the accused at the time of his arrest.
The Crown also tendered, without objection; 1. a compilation of CCTV footage taken from a number of premises around Garema Circuit which showed, among other things, the front of the premises of Statewide Office Furniture in the early morning of 26 July 2017, before and after the deceased was shot. One version of the footage was, in some cases, marked up to draw attention to the particular areas of interest depicted on the footage; [2] and 2. a certificate from Transport for NSW to establish that the registered operator of a white VW station wagon, DAT 98T, was Statewide Office Furniture Pty Ltd. [3]
With the agreement of the parties, I viewed that CCTV footage in chambers.
Prof Greenberg was the only witness called to give oral evidence in the prosecution case. He was cross-examined by Mr Dhanji of Senior Counsel, who appeared with Mr Clark, for the accused. Prof Greenberg's evidence was consistent with, and expanded slightly upon, what was in his report of 17 November 2019.
Mr Dhanji SC tendered, without objection, two reports from Dr Stephen Allnutt, forensic psychiatrist, dated 27 August 2019 and 20 January 2020. [4]
There was no other evidence in the defence case.

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Defence of mental illness

Where the defence of mental illness is raised, it is necessary first to consider whether the Crown has proved to the requisite standard whether the accused deliberately, or voluntarily, did the act or acts charged. If it is concluded that he did, it is next necessary to examine the evidence to determine whether the accused can be held criminally responsible for the act or acts. [8]
The principle to be applied is that persons are presumed to be sane, and to possess a sufficient degree of reason to be responsible for their crimes, until the contrary is proved. To establish a defence on the ground of mental illness in this case, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the acts, the accused was labouring under such a defect of reason, from a disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the acts he was doing; or, if the accused did know their nature and quality, that the accused did not know that the acts were wrong. [9]
In this context, "disease of the mind" means "mental illness", and a temporary disorder or disturbance of an otherwise healthy mind, that is not prone to recur and is caused by external factors, is not to be regarded as disease of the mind. [10]
It may be concluded that an accused did not know that what was done was wrong if, as a result of mental illness, the accused could not reason about the matter with a moderate degree of sense and composure and, further, "wrong" in this context is to be judged according to the everyday standards of reasonable people. [11]
In summary, for the defence of mental illness to be available to Mr Stojic in this case, he must establish on the balance of probabilities that, as a result of a defect of reason arising from mental illness: 1. he did not appreciate the nature and quality of the physical acts involved in shooting Mr Jardine or possessing an unregistered prohibited firearm without a permit or licence; or 2. he did not know that those acts were wrong, judged according to the everyday standards of reasonable people.
Section 38 of the MHFP Act which provides for the special verdict of not guilty by reason of mental illness is in these terms: "38 Special verdict (1) If, in an indictment or information, an act or omission is charged against a person as an offence and it is given in evidence on the trial of the person for the offence that the person was mentally ill, so as not to be responsible, according to law, for his or her action at the time when the act was done or omission made, then, if it appears to the jury before which the person is tried that the person did the act or made the omission charged, but was mentally ill at the time when the person did or made the same, the jury must return a special verdict that the accused person is not guilty by reason of mental illness."
There are consequences that flow from the return of a special verdict under s 38 of the MHFP Act, as provided in ss 38A and 39, and in Div 2 of Pt 5 of that Act. In reaching my decision, I have taken into account these matters, including the existence and composition of the Mental Health Review Tribunal and its relevant functions.

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Previous indications of the accused's delusional beliefs

After Mr Orr took up a managerial role in early 2017 and before 26 July 2017, he had conversations with the accused in which the accused said that he was part of a secret order called "The Queen's Guard" which was responsible for protecting Australia from the Jesuit General and the evils of the Vatican. He told Mr Orr that the Queen and the Vatican were at war and that he had to clear a variety of cells (like safe houses) full of evil paedophilic occult worshippers. He claimed to have had dealings with various types of people including men of power who could kill with a thought and Mexican cartels who had kidnapped and raped his wife. He also said that he had trained generals and briefed high-ranking military officials on the existence of the occult and that he was under siege from all sides. He claimed that he had stopped Australia from being attacked by foreign powers approximately 30 times and was in training for one final mission.
Prior to July 2017, the accused had also told Ms Armstrong that he was the preferred bodyguard of Princess Diana, that he knew Prince Harry and that he had his own regiment and when he was driving on the road 20 other cars would be watching him because he was protected. He also said he worked for the CIA or something similar and that his family worked for ASIO.
During the period between about May 2015 and June 2017, the accused told Ms Vaughan that the Queen had a private plane on standby at Bankstown Airport in case anything went wrong and that every woman he had gotten close to had been raped. He also told her that he had a military whiteout on his record which meant that if police looked him up there were things whited out because they were too "high class". He tried to convince Ms Vaughan that he was Prince Harry's primary and preferred bodyguard. He also said that at any given moment in time there were at least 90 operatives on the road around him watching him. He said this was part of his regiment.
The accused had made similar statements to his friend Mr Herrera concerning secret missions for the Queen and having to protect Prince Harry.
During early July 2017, Mr Coumbiadis noticed that the accused had become suspicious of cars parked out in front of the premises and the accused told him: "They are tunnelling under the factory to get to me". Mr Coumbiadis observed that, about a week before 26 July 2017, the accused was living at the Statewide Office Furniture premises by himself.

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The early morning of 26 July 2017

On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 at 12:26 AM, CCTV from the premises opposite those of Statewide Office Furniture captured a light coloured vehicle pull into the driveway of Statewide Office Furniture and the driveway gate was opened. Eventually the vehicle drove down into the building after the gate to the basement or garage area was opened. At 12:32 AM, a light was turned on inside the warehouse and a person can be seen inside. At 12:40 AM, the light inside the warehouse was turned off but about two minutes later the light in the front foyer of Statewide Office Furniture's premises was turned on.
At about 2:26 AM, CCTV captured a light inside the foyer area being turned on again and a person can be seen inside then walking out of the building and walking towards the left (being the right of the picture). Two minutes later the person is captured on CCTV walking past other premises in Garema Circuit.
At about 2:32 AM, the deceased called 000. The call lasted 5 minutes and 42 seconds. He reported that a male had kicked in the door of his van but he thought the male might have gone back up the road.
Between 2:34 AM and 2:39 AM, a person is captured on CCTV walking at the front of Statewide Office Furniture and then towards the front door of the premises and as the person reached the front door the foyer light is turned on. That light is then turned on and off three times during the period from 2:42 AM to 2:45 AM and the person can be seen inside the premises.
At 2:47 AM, CCTV captured a person walking around the front of Statewide Office Furniture's premises and at 2:50 AM he is seen walking right (the left of the picture) from the premises towards the north eastern end of the carpark where Mr Jardine's campervan was parked.
At some time between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM, Mr Sean Murphy, who lived about 100m from the Garema Circuit carpark, heard two gunshots come from the direction of the carpark and then, after a short time, two more gun shots from the same direction.
At 2:52 AM, a person is captured on CCTV walking back from the direction of the carpark and towards the front door of Statewide Office Furniture. As the person reaches the door, the light is turned on and then off about 50 seconds later.

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Discovery of Mr Jardine on the morning of 26 July 2017

After he arrived at work at about 6:15 AM on 26 July 2017, Mr Fabien was unable to find Mr Jardine and tried to contact him by phone twice just after 6:30 AM and six times just after 9:50 AM. Other workmates had missed him as well.
At about 9:55 AM, Mr Fabien walked to the car park where he knew Mr Jardine's campervan was parked. He looked inside and saw blood on the bed and Mr Jardine inside. There was blood on the first step and on the ground outside. Mr Fabien banged on the door but did not receive a response. After contacting a work colleague, Mr Fabien dialled 000 and requested police and ambulance to attend. Other workmates arrived and gained entry to the van and tried to render assistance but there was nothing that could be done.
Police and ambulance attended at 10:21 AM and the ambulance officers confirmed that Mr Jardine was deceased. A crime scene was established.
Police located one impact mark on the exterior surface of the door pillar as well as a fired bullet in the small garden area opposite the door and almost directly in line with the impact mark on the door pillar. Investigations were carried out and photographs were taken.
At about 3:50 PM on that day, while Sen Con Constantinou was performing duties in relation to the crime scene investigation at the Garema Circuit carpark, the accused approached him. Sen Con Constantinou was acquainted with the accused through his brother. The accused asked: "Is it murder or suicide, it's murder isn't it, it's suicide, it's murder." The accused appeared happy and laughing when he said this. When Sen Con Constantinou said that he did not know, the accused said: "I know it's murder."
A short time later, Sen Con Constantinou noticed the accused was making attempts to see the deceased's body and said that he needed to stay away from the police tape. When Sen Con Constantinou asked how things were going with the accused, he immediately saw his demeanour change. The accused's pupils dilated and he began to look towards the direction of the body and the campervan. He frowned and appeared angry. The accused then said that his son had been raped the previous night and that he was going to court for custody. During that conversation, the accused also said: "The CIA are doing deals and I have a meeting at the Pentagon. I'm on a mission for the Queen and I am her agent and I'm going to meet up with Prince Harry. The CIA and the Rothschilds are after me."

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The accused's subsequent actions and statements

On 28 July 2017 police attended Statewide Office Furniture and spoke with the accused during which time the accused gave consent for the police to take the CCTV hard drive and assisted police to remove the drive.
After the police left, Mr Orr had a conversation with the accused concerning what he had said to the police because Mr Orr did not think it was entirely accurate. During that conversation, the accused said: "I wasn't lying, I wasn't here when the place was locked up for the day, I didn't get back here till 2 am".
The accused then went on to make various statements to Mr Orr as follows: "They are going to find occult shit in the back of the van, there is just weird shit in there, he is the kind of guy that can kill you without a gun." "He won't be identified by police because it's a sanctioned operation. They gotta learn. There is nothing I can do. And then they'll know to stay in line. They'll want them to know if you fuck up, you'll wind up dead in the street and no one will know who you are." "He was there and I was there. I identified myself as a Federal agent. He kept staring at me. I said 'what the fuck do you want?' He just kept staring at me. You know what's going to happen when ex-military and a federal agent stand-off against each other. One of them is going to end up dead so I said to him either fuck off or I'll shoot you. He said no. So I shot him. Like I said, either he's dead or I'm dead or he's dead. The guy that died is a message to people in the area."
In conversations with Ms Vaughan on 28 and 29 July 2017, the accused mentioned "high-level security clearance" and referred to the deceased as an "operative".
On 29 July 2017, the accused also said to Mr Herrera and his brother that he had been on a mission with the Queen, Prince Harry and the Royal guards and that he had special clearance to do what he had to do. He also said on this occasion, among other things: "I'm going on a mission to Afghanistan as I've broken all the secret governance."

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Conclusions as to the physical acts

It is not possible from the CCTV footage to identify the person shown in and near the premises of Statewide Office Furniture in the early morning of 26 July 2017. Nonetheless, having regard to my findings based on the evidence as a whole, including but not limited to the fact that the accused was living at the premises at the time, his statement to Mr Orr that he arrived at the premises at 2:00 AM that morning, the persons who had keys to gain access to the premises and the accused's telephone being in that vicinity in the early morning of 26 July 2017, I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that it was the accused who was shown on the CCTV footage.
Having regard to the evidence as a whole and my findings including but not limited to: the accused's possession of a .32 calibre handgun, which was the same calibre as the weapon used to shoot the deceased, as well as .32 calibre ammunition and fired shells; the CCTV footage of the accused walking in the direction of, and back from, where the deceased's van was parked on two occasions consistent with when the van door was kicked and with when the deceased was shot; the accused's statements to Ms Armstrong and Ms Vaughan that there was a dead body in the campervan before the deceased's body had been discovered; the accused's conversation with Sen Con Constantinou; and, the accused's explanation to Mr Orr that he had shot the deceased because he kept staring at the accused and "so I said to him either fuck off or I'll shoot you. He said no. So I shot him", and the absence of contest concerning the conclusion, I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that, on 26 July 2017 in Kingsgrove, the accused voluntarily and deliberately shot Mr Jardine twice and that the injuries so inflicted caused his death. Thus, the Crown has discharged its onus of proof in respect of the physical elements of the offence of murder, in count 1.
Similarly, having regard to the evidence as a whole and my findings in relation to the NORINCO rifle with serial number 8812234 and the certificates under s 87 of the Firearms Act, and in the absence of any contest, I am also satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that on 29 July 2017 in Kingsgrove: 1. the accused possessed the rifle and that it was a prohibited firearm and that the accused did not hold a licence or permit to possess it; and 2. the accused possessed the rifle with serial number 8812234 and that it was a prohibited firearm and that it was unregistered.
It is necessary now to consider the question of whether the accused was criminally responsible for doing the acts which I have found occurred in relation to each of the murder and the firearm offences, before dealing with the question of any specific intention required for the murder offence, should that be necessary. [12]

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Prof Greenberg

The evidence of Prof Greenberg in his report dated 17 November 2019 was that he had conducted a psychiatric assessment of the accused on 4 August 2018, 27 June 2019 and 13 November 2019. Additional sources of information on which Prof Greenberg based his opinions included the psychiatric report of Dr Allnutt dated 27 August 2019.
Prof Greenberg's diagnosis was that the accused suffers and suffered from Chronic Delusional Disorder (Differential diagnosis: Schizophrenic Disorder), which is a mental illness with psychotic symptoms, namely paranoid delusions. He was of the opinion that such a mental illness qualified as a "disease of the mind". Prof Greenberg went on: "I'm of the opinion that at the time of the alleged offences, [the accused] was labouring under defect of reason caused by disease of the mind. [The accused] has a complex systematised delusional belief system which appears to be chronic in nature (developed over several years). There are reports from his friends that he developed these delusional false beliefs several years prior to the alleged offences and over time these beliefs become more systematised, paranoid and grandiose in nature. [At this point Prof Greenberg summarised the accused's bizarre systematised delusional beliefs which he disclosed to a number of witnesses and which I have mentioned already when making my findings. Prof Greenberg continued:] I am therefore of the opinion that [the accused] likely did know the nature and quality of his act at the time of the alleged offences. … However, I'm of the opinion that [the accused] did not know the act was morally wrong at the time of the alleged offences. It is likely that on the balance of probabilities, the deceased (Brett Jardine) became incorporated into [the accused's] highly systematised delusional belief system and [the accused] accordingly acted on this false psychotic belief system in a highly disorganised irrational bizarre manner." (emphasis in original)
In his oral evidence, Prof Greenberg noted that he had assessed the accused most recently on 12 February 2020. He confirmed his diagnosis that the accused suffers from a severe mental illness namely Chronic Delusional Disorder dating back to about 2010. After about 2015 and 2016 and prior to 26 July 2017, it was noted that the accused spoke to various people, including friends and employees, about his belief system which was clearly psychotic and paranoid in nature. There were two main false beliefs or delusions, the one being persecutory delusions and the other being grandiose delusions.
Dr Greenberg explained that the delusional disorder was chronic in the sense that: "it occurred over a long period of time and developed over time and obviously deteriorated over time, to the point where the deceased was incorporated into that delusional belief system."
The accused's condition also involved, in Dr Greenberg's opinion, a lack of insight in that persons with psychotic illness: "have these false beliefs where they believe it is true and if you try and convince them, they remain fixed about that belief. So they are not amenable to persuasion or argument. It is a fixed belief so they have no insight, or minimal insight, in which they are unable to reason that it is unlikely or it is implausible. They maintain the belief regardless of what you do and in fact can often become very aggressive and agitated if you try and convince them otherwise, because for them it is true. That is the hallmark of a delusional belief."
Prof Greenberg also confirmed in cross-examination that he agreed with Dr Allnutt's opinions.

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Dr Allnutt

In his report on 27 August 2019, Dr Allnutt noted that he had conducted a clinical evaluation of the accused through audio-visual link on 22 August 2019. Dr Allnutt's opinion was that it was likely that the accused had a chronic delusional disorder and his differential diagnosis remained a schizoaffective disorder or a paranoid schizophrenia. He also said in this report: "Based on the information supplied to me, in the time leading up to the alleged offence [the accused] was suffering active symptoms of psychosis. In my view, this is notable in the ERISP interview with police, in which he manifests a systematised persecutory delusional system involving the rape of his son and wife, conspiracies involving him, with delusional ideation about him being to be some form of operative, persecution by the Rebels and his secretaries, and pursuit by ASIO, ONA and others. … It is unlikely that his disease of the mind would have undermined his capacity to know the nature and quality of his actions at the material time. However, in my view, this disease of the mind caused a defect of reason, of a nature and severity that resulted in him being incapable of reasoning about the wrongfulness of his actions at the material time of the alleged offending."
Dr Allnutt conducted a further clinical evaluation with the accused on 10 January 2020 and his report of 20 January 2020 was also before the Court. During that evaluation, the accused provided an account of what occurred when the deceased was shot in the early hours of 26 July 2017. Dr Allnutt recorded the account in terms which included the following: "He [the accused] thought this person was intending to kill him because he had parked so close to his property. He had taken a gun when he walked out of the property and had the gun in his hand when he walked up to the car. At that time, he was thinking this person was trying to kill him. He asked this person to leave but the man asked him who he was who he worked for. He said that he did not like the man's line of questioning. He said the man knew who he was by the way he acted and stuck around, even though he saw the gun in his hand. This meant to him that this man had 'an agenda', which was that he wanted to kill [the accused]. He said he asked this person to leave four or five times, then shot him. He said when he shot the deceased, 'One hundred percent he was going to kill me'. He concluded this 'by the way he pulled up and what he said'."
Dr Allnutt's conclusion in his January 2020 report included: "[The accused] was suffering a disease of the mind (delusional disorder); which caused a defect of reason (an irrational belief that the deceased was some form of operative and posed a threat to his life which was inconsistent with reality); and as a result was unable to reason about the matter with a moderate degree of sense or composure (having incorporated the deceased into an irrational belief system and believing with conviction that his life was at risk, he felt justified in his actions in terms of self-defence and would have been unable to apply the same reasoning to the situation that he believed he was confronted with, as a person of normal mind)."

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Extracts from the electronically recorded interview given by the accused commencing on 29 July 2017 (ERISP Transcript R0490733) "Q172 Um, and then Wednesday you came into work? A I think so. I think I came in early. I dunno, it's a blue this week to me. Sorry, it's a blur, man. I had a big trauma, man. You know, first fucking my wife's raped, yeah, by government operatives and everything, man. And you get your son raped. Fuck, after 20 years of shit, you know, your country owes you some favours when the Prime Minister sits there watching your wife get tied to a fucking horse in Bungendore with the O and A directorate. Q173 Simon, so when - - - A Does a bit to your fucking head. Q174 Simon, when you say um, you sometimes - - - A You're impinging on military operations anyway. Anyway, keep going. … Q311 You - - - A That Amanda you talked to is well hooked up with the Rebels and I, whatever his fucking name is. If you want to wet me up, I'm on their hit list, do get fucked. Q332 Just to let you know the video's still recording. A Yeah, no worries. INTERVIEW SUSPENDED A Yeah, I didn't kill him, you know. I'm innocent. Yeah, I'm innocent, mate. I didn't murder anyone. Never have. All right. What connection has he got to me, how does he know me, how does he know me, why would I kill him? You tell me what you found in the van. What did you find in the van, who was he? You ain't pinning it on me, all right. You ain't pinning this on, all right. You ain't pinning it. OK. You ain't. I'm no fucking murderer. I'm no fucking murderer. This government's murderous. The mother fuckers in Port Arthur are murderers. The O and A are murderers. ASIO are murderers. And a lot of coppers too, some of them. But not me. I don't murder. I don't kill for money. … Q337 The time is now 15 minutes past midnight. Um, Simon has just returned from a bathroom break and we're gunna recommence the interview. Now, Simon, just to remember we were talking about, we were talking about the, um, the firearm located in the business premise, and I asked you what can you tell me about that? A It's fucking years down the drain now. Federal operation, man. I don't want to say anymore. Federal operation, you can fucking Colvin on the phone. DETECTIVE SENIOR CONSTABLE VENESS Q338 Just wait, Simon. DETECTIVE SENIOR CONSTABLE LYE Q339 Just wait a second. We, we have to - - - A Just blowing fucking 7 years of hard work. Get Colvin on the phone. It's a federal operation, Middle Eastern crime gangs running of weapons. And I'm fucking blowing this down the drain after 7 years. And how many fucking lives have died. Get Colvin on the phone now and get Fuller on the phone. Q340 Apart - - - A You're blowing this, man. They've got weapons under the fucking mosque. You're not blowing this shit. You're not blowing this shit. Get him on the phone. Q 341 Simon, I - - - A Say no more. … Q353 You're saying you've never owned a firearm? A Never owned a firearm, mate. Q354 OK. Um, is this your firearm? A It's not my firearm, mate. I told you, federal operation. I don't want to talk about it. Q355 How, how long - - - A You want to blow it down the drain, you can blow it down the drain. You get Colvin on the phone, I've got nothing else to say about that. I didn't kill Brett Jardine, I don't know him from a bar of fucking soap. What he was doing there, I dunno, I don't want to know. All right. I don't kill people. I don't murder people. That's it. All right. Simple as that. …"

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