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[2002] VSC 422
Supreme Court of Victoria
2002-10-03
Smith J
Original judgment source is linked above.
[2002] VSC 422
Crime Practice and Procedure - Record of interview - Alleged breaches of Crimes Act s 464A, G and H - Deception - Bunning v Cross discretion.
(1) Detective Senior Constable Francis-Pester attended the Mornington Peninsula Hospital, Frankston at approximately 12.13 am on 24 May 2001. "A short time later" he approached Lisa Hartwick in her room a short distance away from the room in which John Hartwick was lying. He had a conversation with her in the course of which he cautioned her. He left the room and while he was absent Detective McCaughey entered the room and spoke to her, obtaining her full name and address and information about where she had been that night and who else was there. He also briefly asked her about John Hartwick. She said that there was no-one with him when he came home. She saw blood on his side. He did not say how it happened. She said that she did not ask him how it happened. She said she couldn't make any sense out of him.
(2) Detective McCaughey then left the room and had a short conversation with Detective Francis-Pester. During Detective McCaughey's conversation with Lisa Hartwick, Detective Francis-Pester had obtained a micro-cassette recorder from Senior Constable Stacke, activated it and concealed it in a folder. He and Detective McCaughey then returned to the room and Detective McCaughey continued his conversation with Lisa Hartwick. The transcript provided commences in the following way:
"Fr-Pester: I reckon that'll be recorded there. You're not making a statement Lisa, is that right? Hartwick: No because I don't know really. McCaughey: I'll try to remember that. I'll just, well what. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Hartwick: Hum. McCaughey: What, Lisa was saying that she was at home filing papers with Leah Roberts from No 4 Fingal Drive? ... Hartwick: Aha ..."
McCaughey then moved into the questioning of Lisa Hartwick. After some time, Detective McCaughey reminded her that she had been previously cautioned by Detective Francis-Pester and said that he probably should have repeated it before "we started". He asked her to confirm that she had understood the earlier caution. After some prevarication she agreed she had and then said she was pregnant and wished to go to the toilet, thereby terminating the interview.
(a) I am satisfied that there was a breach of s 464A(3) in that, on the evidence, the questioning was a new round of questioning which required a caution because the earlier caution was no longer operative. This was the consequence of the interruptions and breaks, however short, in the interviewing process, the circumstance that she had prior to the recorded interview made it clear that she did not want to make a statement and the police's apparent acknowledgment of that fact at the commencement of that interview. What occurred was a fresh attempt to question her.
(b) Next, there was breach of s 464G in that the caution originally given was not recorded as required by that section. I am satisfied that it was practicable to do so as evidenced by the fact that a micro-cassette recorder was produced for the interview that occurred.
(c) Finally, there was breach of s 464H(3) in that the recording was not given to Lisa Hartwick or her legal practitioners within seven days of the interview. I accept the evidence that there was no deliberate or wilful breach of that provision and in particular no conscious attempt to gain some advantage by the delay. Rather, the delay resulted from a combination of factors including uncertainty on the part of the informant as to the precise status of the interview and, as a result, whether the section had to be complied with, a significant backlog in copying due to lack of resources that would prevent compliance and the pressure itself on the informant requiring him to prioritise his own activities. A copy of the tape was received but not until last month. Its availability was communicated to the accused's solicitors in July but I note that the Act places the obligation on the persons conducting the interview to give a copy to the accused.
[1] Bunning v Cross (1978) 141 CLR 74-5.
[2] R v Swaffield [1998] HCA 1; 192 CLR 159, Brennan CJ at 185-6.
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Hartwick
(1978) 141 CLR 74