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[2022] ACAT 102
ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal
2022-11-30
Neate AM
Original judgment source is linked above.
PYE v REGISTRAR, DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 2000 (Appeal) [2022] ACAT 102
Catchwords: APPEAL - Registrar, Domestic Animals Act 2000 decided to cancel special licence in relation to a dangerous dog and to destroy the dog - original tribunal confirmed Registrar's decisions - whether original tribunal was in error - nature of rehearing on appeal - whether appellant should be granted leave to provide further evidence on appeal - appeal dismissed
Legislation cited: ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2008 ss 7, 10, 82
Domestic Animals Act 2000 ss 27, 36, 53B, 53C, 121, Dictionary
Industrial Relations Act 1996 (NSW) s 191
Subordinate: ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal Rules 2020 r 91
Cases cited: Akins v National Australia Bank (1994) 34 NSWLR 155
Amer v Erikson [2019] ACAT 108
Arnot and Arnot v Commissioner of Fire and Rescue NSW [2021] NSWIRComm 1082
CCH Australia Ltd v Bowen (1998) 79 IR 206
CDJ v VAJ (No 1) [1998] HCA 67
Clarke v Japan Machines (Australia) Pty Ltd [1984] 1 Qd R 404
Excel Intelligent Pty Ltd v Thomson [2018] ACAT 4
Fernando v Medical Complaints Tribunal (No 2) [2003] TASSC 139
Fox v Percy [2003] HCA 22
Giusida Pty Ltd v Commissioner for ACT Revenue [2016] ACTSC 275
Hamers v South Canberra Holdings Pty Ltd ACN 606 747 602 trading as Southside Village [2021] ACAT 71
Harada v Barnes & Anor [2021] ACAT 66
He v Qin & Ors [2021] ACAT 129
Hurst-Myers v Aulich Civil Law Pty Ltd [2020] ACAT 56
Lisa Pye v The Registrar, Domestic Animals Act 2000 [unreported, 10 May 2022]
LP 202021 v Council of the Law Society of the ACT [2022] ACAT 80
Mansour v Dangar [2017] ACAT 49
Minister for Immigration and Border Protection v SZVFW [2018] HCA 30
Pye v Pye [2022] ACAT 91
Sarbandi v Sharif [2017] ACAT 57
Solovastru v Leonid Anderson t/as Motor Depot [2020] QCATA 131
Tam v Du [2019] ACAT 94
V v Elringtons Pty Ltd [2018] ACAT 23
List of
Texts/Papers cited: J D Heydon AC, Lexis Nexis, Cross on Evidence (at 3 August 2017)
REGISTRAR, DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 2000
(a) to cancel special licences allowing Ms Pye to keep the dogs, both of which a differently constituted tribunal had declared to be dangerous dogs; and
(b) to destroy Buddha after he bit a male person in an underground car park on 24 November 2021.
(a) The decision of the Registrar to cancel a special licence issued to Ms Pye for Buddha is confirmed.
(b) The decision of the Registrar to cancel a special licence issued to Ms Pye for Tonner is confirmed.
(c) The decision of the Registrar to destroy Buddha is confirmed.[1]
(a) There was a failure to afford procedural fairness, because the Original Tribunal "had difficulty accepting Ms Butler's evidence due to the fact that Ms Butler was denied the opportunity to perform a full temperament assessment only being able to perform half of the assessment whilst Buddha was impounded at the DAS facility." Ms Butler was denied the ability to perform the part of her assessment with the owner being present. "This being part of the reason for the decision to destroy Buddha, any question of law which formed a necessary step in reaching the conclusion of the Tribunal could be the subject matter of appeal, whether identified by the parties and the Tribunal or not. A finding of fact made in the absence of supporting evidence is an error of law."
(b) Reference was made to section 53B(4)(b) of the DA Act.[4] The application continued, "Whether reasonable steps can be taken to reduce the risk of the dog endangering the public and other animals was not afforded due to Covid lockdown and rehabilitation & training not being an assenting service. This is now not the case, Buddha should be afforded the ability to begin rehabilitation & Training as both assessor's believe all dogs can be rehabilitated and retrained."
(a) Set aside decision to destroy Buddha and allow for transfer of ownership to Mr Kel Harris.
(b) Remove decisions to cancel special licences for Buddha and Tonner from the applicant.
(a) The Original order to destroy Buddha be set aside.
(b) The dangerous dog licence for Buddha be reinstated.
_(1) An appeal tribunal may, as the tribunal considers appropriate, deal with an appeal - _
(a) as a new application; or
(b) as a review of all or part of the original decision on the application by the tribunal.
(a) An appeal tribunal must determine whether the decision appealed against is wrong because the original tribunal fell into an error of law, made a finding of fact that is clearly wrong or exercised a discretion on a wrong principle or in a way that is clearly wrong.
(b) Ordinarily, if there has been no further evidence admitted or no relevant change in law, an appeal tribunal in entertaining an appeal by way of rehearing can exercise its appellate powers only if satisfied that there was an error on the part of the original tribunal.
(c) The appeal tribunal will give proper allowance to the advantage of the original tribunal who saw and heard the witnesses, so that, ordinarily, facts found based on the assessment of witnesses will not lightly be overturned.
(d) The appeal tribunal is obliged to conduct a real review of the trial and the reasons of the original tribunal.
(e) In an appeal by way of rehearing, once error has been found (after making proper allowance for the advantages of the original tribunal), the appeal tribunal can substitute its own decision based on the facts and the law as they now stand.[12]
(a) the evidence before the original tribunal to demonstrate the error; or
(b) if the appeal tribunal gives leave for the appellant to rely on further evidence, the evidence that the appellant says demonstrates the error, and the appellant must explain what the correct finding of fact should be, based on that evidence.
(a) consider on an urgent basis an application for Buddha to be accommodated at an appropriate boarding kennel and would undertake to notify the tribunal as soon as possible after approving that application; and
(b) consider any application for Buddha to be housed at an alternative location and would approve that application if the relevant conditions in the order of 20 August 2021 could be met.
a chance now that my circumstances have changed and that I am in a better position to fully comply with any order the tribunal sees fit.
I can give 100% attention to Buddha and the conditions if given the chance now that I have my own secure property for us to reside, and Tonner is no longer having to share the same property with him.[21]
(a) Ms Pye is strongly attached to Buddha;
(b) Ms Pye's dealings with the Registrar and certain officers of DAS have been unsatisfactory and have influenced her thinking and attitude about DAS;
(c) because Ms Pye no longer owns Tonner, she could devote more time to the care and control of Buddha;
(d) the premises where Ms Pye currently resides could be used to care for Buddha; and
(e) Ms Pye has taken action, including by commencing and persisting with the appeal, to secure the return of Buddha to her.
(a) consider the grounds of appeal; and
(b) decide in relation to particular grounds of appeal whether to allow Ms Pye to provide further evidence (that is, evidence that was not provided to the Original Tribunal) for the purpose of the appeal.
Application for leave to provide further evidence on appeal
(a) the transcript of proceedings before another Senior Member of the tribunal on 21 and 27 May 2022 in matter AT 39/2021;
(b) unredacted versions of certain documents that in a redacted form (e.g., with names obliterated) were before the Original Tribunal;
(c) certain documents that existed at the time of the hearing before the Original Tribunal but were not in evidence at the original hearing; and
(d) a document or documents that did not exist at the time of the original hearing, but which Ms Pye wanted to be prepared for the purpose of the hearing of the appeal.
(a) none of the documents advance Ms Pye's case;
(b) it is not clear why they were not relied on at the hearing before the Original Tribunal;
(c) some of the documents were provided at the original hearing but in a redacted version so the Original Tribunal could not make any use of them; and
(d) it is not clear why they should be accepted on appeal.[23]
For an appeal within the tribunal, the appeal tribunal-
(c) may, if leave is granted, receive further evidence about questions of fact, either orally or in a hearing, by written statement or in another way.
... ordinarily, further evidence should not be admitted on appeal if it was available, or could reasonably have been obtained, at the time of the hearing.[26]
The power to admit the further evidence exists to serve the demands of justice. Ordinarily, where it is alleged that the admission of new evidence requires a new trial, justice will not be served unless the Full Court is satisfied that the further evidence would have produced a different result if it had been available at the trial. Without that condition being satisfied, it could seldom, if ever, be in the interests of justice to deprive the respondent of the benefit of the orders made by the trial judge and put that person to the expense, inconvenience and worry of a new trial.[27] (emphasis added)
The "rehearing" does not involve a completely fresh hearing by the appellate court of all the evidence. That court proceeds on the basis of the record and any fresh evidence that, exceptionally, it admits.[28] (emphasis added)
[I]t is apparent that an Appeal Tribunal would only grant leave to admit further evidence about questions of fact in exceptional circumstances where it serves the demands of justice to do so.[29](emphasis added)
(a) it must be shown that the evidence could not have been obtained with reasonable diligence for use at the trial;
(b) the evidence must be such that there must be a high degree of probability that there would be a different verdict; and
(c) the evidence must be credible.
Ordinarily, an application for leave to adduce fresh evidence must satisfy three tests:
(a) Could the parties have obtained the evidence with reasonable diligence for use at the trial?
(b) If allowed, would the evidence probably have an important impact on the result of the case?
(c) Is the evidence credible?[33]
(a) it is potentially credible;
(b) it was not available to the appellant or his legal advisers before the tribunal made its decision;
(c) it was evidence which the appellant and his legal advisers could not reasonably have been expected to obtain with the exercise of due diligence before the tribunal made its decision; and
(d) it would have made a different result in the tribunal proceedings so likely that the matters before the tribunal should be reconsidered or re‑determined.[37]
(a) is not by way of a new hearing; and
(b) is to be determined on the evidence and material which was before the person whose decision is the subject of the appeal.
(a) if it considers that 'special grounds' exist which warrant the admission of the further evidence which was not before the original decision maker; or
(b) if the evidence "concerns matters occurring after the decision appealed against."
In summary, for the Commission to find that 'special grounds' of the kind described in section 191(2) of the Act exist, it must first be satisfied that:
(a) The Appellants knowing of the Fresh Evidence, deliberately elected not to tender it;
(b) Even if the Appellants did not know of the Fresh Evidence, it could not, with reasonable diligence, have been obtained and relied upon by the Appellants at first instance;
(c) had the Fresh Evidence been relied upon by the Appellants at first instance, there is a high degree of probability that the Decision would ... be different;
(d) the Fresh Evidence is credible and, for this reason, does not:
(i) give rise to disputed questions of fact; nor
(ii) rest upon the credibility, or alleged lack thereof, of untested evidence;
(e) electing not to grant leave to the Appellants to adduce Fresh Evidence in the Appeal would cause a 'miscarriage of justice' of the kind contemplated by the Full Bench in Bowen.[39]
... having in mind the terms of s 191(2) of the Act, and the powers on appeal available under s 192(1) thereof, we would not wish it to be taken as our view that further evidence to be heard on appeal it must necessarily be of such a nature as would make it almost certain that an opposite result would have been reached if the evidence had been adduced at first instance ... .
Given that each case requires consideration in light of its own particular circumstances, it seems to us only open to hold ... that the purpose of fresh evidence is to avoid ''a miscarriage of justice'' and... that the power to allow further evidence on appeal ''is exercised rarely and in exceptional circumstances only.''
Our opinion is that the potential mischief if the evidence is not admitted must be sufficiently operative on the challenged decision and as would cause real prejudice to the party seeking to lead such additional evidence if it were not given....[41]
(a) leave to provide further evidence about questions of fact should be granted only in exceptional circumstances where it serves the demands of justice to do so; and
(b) it is not possible to formulate a definitive test governing the admissibility of further evidence on appeal,
the Appeal Tribunal draws from the authorities referred to above to proceed on the basis that, in deciding whether to grant leave to admit the further evidence on which Ms Pye seek to rely, we should consider:
(a) whether the evidence was available at the time of the hearing before the Original Tribunal;
(b) if the evidence was available at that time, whether it could have been reasonably obtained and tendered or adduced orally at the hearing;
(c) if the evidence was available, whether the party chose not to tender or adduce it (or whether there is an acceptable reason why it was not brought at the original hearing);
(d) whether the evidence is credible;
(e) if the evidence had been available to the Original Tribunal, whether it would (or would be likely to) have produced a different result.
Further evidence - some rulings of the Appeal Tribunal
The respondent [the Registrar] shall provide access by a vet and/or an animal behaviour assessor, either together or separately, to the dog "Buddha" for the purpose of assessment of the dog's health and behaviour. Such access shall be provided on or before 31 May 2021, and the applicant shall give the respondent 24 hours' notice of the time and date for access by email to dogcontrol@act.gov.au
I asked the tribunal to accept new evidence from Susan Turner-Davis, Temperament assessor for OLG NSW National Dog Trainers Federation if it becomes available by way of behavioural assessment which I have requested the registrar of DAS to allow due to the fact that I have not been able to provide a full behavioural assessment for Buddha as a defence against the two assessments produced by Mr Bruno Grutzner for Domestic Animal Services. (emphasis added)
The need for the assessment is due to the fact that I need to know the mental state of my dog considering he has been impounded for 236 days today and 218 days in his last impoundment and he is only 3 years and 7 months old. ... You have not let him see me at all during all that time.
450+ days in the DAS facility and not even 1 single visitation has been granted for myself or anyone else to visit Buddha. ...
If an independent assessment gives an unfavourable report, I must obviously consider my own safety along with the safety of the public. Without the opportunity to know what any other expert has to say, I feel like the incorrect decision is going to be made.
(a) to the extent that the information about her living circumstances at the time dealt with not bringing an application to the tribunal or address her living circumstances, these points have no relevance or materiality to this appeal; and
(b) to the extent that the information raised an issue with Ms Pye's compliance with her obligations, the Original Tribunal was correct in concluding (at least obliquely) that the kennelling arrangements ought to have been disclosed to the Registrar but were not.[86]
(1) This section applies if the registrar is reasonably satisfied, because of a complaint or otherwise, that a dog-
(a) attacked a person ... and the attack caused-
(i) an injury (other than a serious injury) to the person; or
(2) The registrar may decide to destroy the dog.
(3) In making a decision under subsection (2), the registrar-
(a) must consider-
(i) the safety of the public and other animals; and
(ii) if the dog attacked a person ...-the circumstances of the attack including whether-
- the person ... provoked the dog; or
- the person ... was attacked because the dog came to the aid of a person or animal the dog could be expected to protect; or
- if the attack was on premises occupied by the keeper of the dog-the person ... was on the premises without lawful excuse; and
(b) may consider any other relevant matter. (emphasis added)
serious injury, to a person or animal, means either of the following:
_(a) any injury (including the cumulative effect of more than 1 injury) that - _
(i) endangers, or is likely to endanger, the person or animal's life; or
(ii) is, or is likely to be, a significant or longstanding injury;
(b) 1 or more serious dog bites.
serious dog bite means a wound from a single dog bite that has at least 1 puncture deeper than half the length of the dog's canine tooth, with or without bruising or lacerations around the wound.
_(1) This section applies if the registrar is reasonably satisfied, because of a complaint or otherwise, that - _
(a) a dog attacked a person ...; and
_(b) the attack caused - _
(i) ...
(ii) serious injury to the person; or
(iii) ....
(2) The registrar must destroy the dog.
(3) However, subsection (2) does not apply if, and only if, the registrar is reasonably satisfied the dog is not likely to be a danger to the public or another animal.
_(4) For subsection (3), the registrar may consider - _
_(a) the circumstances of the attack including whether - _
(i) the person ... provoked the dog; or
(ii) the person ... was attacked because the dog came to the aid of a person ... the dog could be expected to protect; or
(iii) if the attack was on premises occupied by the keeper of the dog - the person ... was on the premises without lawful excuse; and
(b) whether reasonable steps can be taken to reduce the risk of the dog endangering the public and other animals; and
(c) any other relevant matter. (emphasis added)
Mr Li gave evidence that the applicant spoke to him immediately afterwards and apologised. She took down his name and contact details and promised to contact him in the next 30 minutes but never did. The applicant did not give her name or contact details to Mr Li. However, he or his companion took a photograph of the number plate of her car as she drove out of the building. As he did not hear from the applicant, they reported the incident to DAS in the early evening on 24 November 2021.[101]
I gave my details to Mr Li as I did not have my phone with me. Mr Li or his friend obviously did because they took a photo of my car when I was leaving. I believe he may have taken incorrect details down and this is why he later put a note on my car window threatening legal action if I did not contact him. I have since found the copy of the letter found on my car, which was found after my dog had been seized. Mr Li's original witness did not state that I would contact them within 30 minutes. This witness returned to Sydney and was not available for cross examination, Mr Li then gave someone else's name as a witness stating that they helped him contact Animal Services but I find this not to be a true statement as Mr Li's first witness stated that she helped him contact Animal Services.
I believe Mr Li's statement to be false and not a true statement of facts and do not believe that member should have believed Mr Li over My statements.[102]
(a) the evidence adduced at the hearing clearly raised questions about Ms Pye's reliability as a witness and the Original Tribunal had the discretion to prefer one person's evidence over the other;
(b) preferring one person's evidence over the other's does not give rise to an error of fact or law, and the Appeal Tribunal should not disturb discretionary findings made by the Original Tribunal;[103] and
(c) even if the Original Tribunal accepted Ms Pye's version of events over Mr Li's version in this respect, it does not directly bear upon the main issues that were to be determined by the Original Tribunal, namely that an unprovoked attack had occurred.[104]
The appellate court will naturally be loath to disturb a finding of fact by the trial judge who has had the advantage of observing the demeanour of the witnesses, "their candour or their partisanship, and all the incidental elements so difficult to describe which make up the atmosphere of an actual trial." ... The principle applies particularly where "the interests of individuals are divergent and conflicting, where personal feeling is acute, and where ... so much depends upon the character, personal motives and interests of individual persons." "Trial by transcript can seldom be an adequate representation of an oral trial..." Reading the transcript alone is not a substitute for seeing and hearing the witness, "since the transcript eliminates clues to voracity that are supplied by tone of voice, hesitation, body language, and other non-verbal expression." ... It does not follow that because the trial judge did not refer expressly to demeanour and credibility that they played no part in the judge's conclusions.[107]
Errors of law or fact by the court below on other matters do not necessarily vitiate its conclusion on credibility. Hence it is unusual to set aside ... the findings of a trial judge based on the credibility of a witness unless it can be concluded that the trial judge failed to use or palpably misused the advantage he or she had of seeing and hearing the witness, or that the trial judge relied on evidence which was inconsistent with facts incontrovertibly established by the evidence, or that the trial judge acted on evidence which was glaringly improbable, or that the trial judge fell into some error of principle, or that the trial judge mistook or misapprehended the facts, or if the effect of the overall evidence was such that it was not reasonably open to make the findings[108]
The appellant's cross examination of Mr Li suggested that "the note was saying to me that it had a phone number and to contact him or they were going to lay charges and contact the police and Domestic Animal Services. The reason that I didn't contact you."[123] That proposition is inaccurate as the note stated "we have the ACT Police and ACT Domestic Animal Service involved. The case has been built."[124]
The appellant appears to lose sight of the most important issue in this matter - Buddha, whilst under her control, injured a person in a public setting without being provoked. There was no inconsistency from Mr Li in this regard. His evidence was corroborated by the CCTV footage and confirmed by his Discharge Summary from the hospital.[125]
Your dog attacked and hurt someone on the 25th Nov. You left without taking responsibility.
We have the ACT Police and ACT Domestic Animal Service Involved. The Case has been built.
To Avoid Prosecution and enforcement on your dog. Please contact the Victim ASAP.
(a) muzzled. The muzzle must be securely fixed upon his mouth in such manner to prevent him from biting a person or animal;
(b) kept on a leash;
(c) be wearing a dangerous dog collar. An approved collar is available for purchase from Domestic Animal Services;
(d) in the care of Lisa Pye or anyone else as a stated person; and
(e) under the effective control of Lisa Pye or a competent person over the age of eighteen years of age by leash.
muzzle means a device that, if worn by a dog, prevents the dog from biting a person or animal.
I do not believe this to be a true statement. I believe that if it were true, evidence should and would have been provided. I believe Mr Grutzner's assessment contradicts his last assessment, and so does the actions of Buddha as shown in the video evidence I've provided.[137]
Mr Grutzner was an independent expert called by the respondent. He provided a report and gave evidence at the hearing. There was no need for any additional evidence to be provided by him or the respondent to "backup" his evidence as that amounted to his entire evidence. The appellant appears to now challenge Mr Grutzner's evidence regarding Buddha attempting to bite him. The appellant also suggest that Mr Grutzner was not truthful when he gave his evidence without any basis for that allegation. However, even if this contention were to be accepted by the Appeal Tribunal, the appellant's own witness, Ms Butler, accepted in cross-examination that Buddha attempted to bite her twice during her assessment of Buddha. Consequently, it was available to [the Original Tribunal] to find that Buddha was not a dog that could be safely released back into the community.[141]
The member states that there is no evidence that Mr Li walked close to the applicant or to my car. The member did not have a layout of the carpark nor did he know where I was or where the attack occurred. This evidence can be supplied which will show that Mr Li was walking towards myself and my car at the time of the attack. Mr Li is not a resident of Cape street. And what I was trying to explain during the hearing is that Buddha could of felt threatened by Mr Li, by his clothing, resembling the bite suits worn at DAS, also that he was protecting me of a stranger walking towards me. So although this comes across as unprovoked to most, It could be different in Buddha's eyes. This, neither I nor the member would 100% know.[152]
Some of the videos show Buddha being handled by DAS rangers a few weeks earlier outside a veterinary clinic without the dog being muzzled. The applicant claims that if Buddha was as dangerous as DAS says, he would have been muzzled and the Rangers would have worn bite suits. The applicant believes this shows that the dogs are not aggressive or menacing and are not an unacceptable risk to the safety of the public or other animals.[157]
_(1) A person commits an offence if - _
(a) the person is the carer of a dangerous dog; and
(b) the person is with the dog in a public place; and
(c) the dog is not wearing a muzzle.
carer, for an animal at a particular time, means an individual over 14 years old who is in charge of the animal at that time.
The applicant was sometimes emotional when giving her evidence. Clearly, she feels deep affection for her dogs and fears losing them. It is also apparent that she nurses deep-seated feelings of anger and resentment towards DAS, bordering on the irrational, which significantly colours her evidence.[161]
Again, I find this to be extremely insulting due to the decline of my mental state. I think any dog owner who has had their dog impounded for 218 days fighting to save their lives, to have the decision overturned and the dog released back to her, is not unjustifiable to hold some type of resentment towards Domestic Animal Services and their conduct. Especially considering the weightloss, injuries and the fact that the welfare of my dogs seem to be a distant concern.[163]
[Ms Pye] believes that DAS rangers have unfairly targeted and victimised her and her dogs. She believes that there is no evidence to justify DAS seizing the dogs and for the tribunal to declare Buddha and Tonner to be dangerous dogs. She claims that the complaints about her dogs were never proved. She blames DAS and the tribunal for making it impossible for her to find somewhere to live, given the understandable reluctance a lessor may feel to permit a tenant to keep a declared dangerous dog on their premises. She claims that she never saw her dogs being aggressive or menacing towards other persons or animals before DAS impounded them and that they have been damaged by their lengthy and unjustified impoundment. She claims that it is entirely out of character for Buddha to bite someone. Faced with incontestable evidence that he did bite a member of the public in an unprovoked attack, she blames DAS's treatment of the dog during his impoundment for Buddha's behaviour.[166]
I have produced numerous reports from animal behaviourists explaining the effects impoundment can have on a dog. What I have explained to the tribunal is just that. based on their own expert witness report from Bruno Grutzner, "That whatever has happened to the dog since his first assessment has done the dog no favours" is what my concerns have been during the lengthy impoundment of my dog. I have asked for training to commence but was told this is not an option although I have found a case in the ACAT ... stating that, at the expense of DAS, 6 weeks of training 2 days a week was provided to [the owner] and his 2 dogs that were impounded at Domestic Animal Services.[168]
(a) Ms Pye raises the same issues as she did at the hearing, namely that the Registrar is to be blamed for Buddha's behaviour given the lengthy impoundment;
(b) the reports to which Ms Pye refers were various printouts from the internet, not reports relating to Buddha's impoundment and therefore the reports had no evidentiary value at the hearing; and
(c) training to impounded dogs is not approved on a regular basis by the Registrar.[169]
dangerous dog means a dog that is declared to be a dangerous dog under section 22 (1) or (2) (Declarations - dangerous dogs) or section 50 (Dog attacks person or animal causing serious injury).
_The registrar may declare a dog to be a dangerous dog if - _
(a) ...; or
_(b) the registrar reasonably believes the dog - _
(i) is aggressive or menacing; and
(ii) without being kept in accordance with a dangerous dog licence, would be an unacceptable risk to the safety of the public or other animals.
Lisa said she doesn't want the dogs de sexed because she got them for a reason, and they will turn into cats if she gets them de-sexed (in reference to their aggression subsiding) she said I don't know her past and she got them to protect her and if someone breaks in and anything happens to her it's on us ...[171]
(a) she was not present when her dogs had a fight in her backyard in 2020;
(b) Ms Veljaca was not available as a witness on any occasion of the five-day hearing spanning over three months; and
(c) Ms Veljaca's file notes are incorrect in saying anything about Ms Pye's dogs turning into cats, which Ms Pye characterised as "ridiculous" and "simply hearsay."[174]
The applicant's evidence, particularly where she accuses DAS of mistreating her dogs and blames DAS for her dogs' aggressive behaviour, highlights her inability or unwillingness to recognise and accept responsibility, as the owner of the dogs, for her own contribution to the events and circumstances that led to the lawful seizure and subsequent lengthy impoundment of Buddha and Tonner before they were declared dangerous dogs and released to her on the conditions of the dangerous dog licences. She did not have her dogs trained or undertake any training herself to enable her to better control the dogs. She chose to break the law by keeping the dogs sexually entire without a permit. She ignored Notices to Comply issued by DAS. She did not prevent the dogs from roaming, even though she knew that Buddha and Tonner were capable of inflicting severe injury on each other and on other animals. The record of her dealings with DAS before and after the dogs were impounded in February 2021 paints a disturbing picture of a person with no understanding of the requirements for responsible dog management, care and control. [181] (emphasis added)
(a) this issue alone does not have any material relevance to the appeal; and
(b) the appellant could have taken other measures, such as courses online, to learn how to better control the dogs.[184]
(a) returning the dogs to DAS while she tried to secure suitable alternative accommodation; or
(b) applying to the Registrar for approval to keep the dogs at an appropriate boarding kennel.
(a) the reference to a seven-day period within which to lodge a review application with the tribunal was incorrect and that the period set out in section 10(2) of the ACAT Act is 28 days after the day the decision to be reviewed is made; and
(b) the Registrar acknowledged the distress the seven-day period caused Ms Pye and sincerely apologised for the error.
MS PYE: Sure. I also notice in the submissions where I was sent photos of Buddha's - actually, sorry, this was in response to the subpoenas. The photos of Buddha being weighed and all different angles of Buddha and that the handler is seen to be in a bite suit but does not have any protective wear on his hands and is holding around my dog's mouth and patting him and my dog's, you know, putting his paw up on him and seemed, you know. That's how I know my dog, you know. I just wanted to make sure that that is seen because the way that my dog is and to what is on paper is different.
SENIOR MEMBER: Ms Pye, a couple of points. One, all the video footage that you have submitted, I have looked at.[190]
MS PYE: In my - on my memory stick I did add in there a phone conversation between myself and Luca. I did ask for Luca to do a statement but he felt it may have been a conflict of interest, but he was happy to be subpoenaed but we had run out of time for that to happen.[191]
(a) that evidence was not adduced before the Original Tribunal and cannot be accepted in the appeal proceedings; and
(b) the Original Tribunal had the benefit of more recent evidence in relation to Buddha's character traits from two experts.[197]
(b) may cancel a special licence if -
(ii) the licensee contravenes a condition of the licence; or
(iv) the registrar reasonably believes there would be an unacceptable risk to the safety the public or other animals if the licence were not cancelled; or
(v) the registrar reasonably believes that the licensee has failed, or is unable, to exercise responsible dog management, care or control.
[1] Lisa Pye v The Registrar, Domestic Animals Act [unreported, 10 May 2022] (Pye v The Registrar)
[2] Pye v The Registrar at [70]-[75]
[3] Pye v The Registrar at [76]-[79]
[4] Section 53B of the DA Act is quoted at [165] below
[5] Transcript of proceedings 8 August 2022, pages 14-16
[6] See Minister for Immigration and Border Protection v SZVFW [2018] HCA 30 at [29]
[7] [2017] ACAT 49; see also Minister for Immigration and Border Protection v SZVFW [2018] HCA 30 at [30]- [33]
[9] Hamers v South Canberra Holdings Pty Ltd ACN 606 747 602 Trading as Southside Village [2021] ACAT 71 at [3]
[10]Hamers v South Canberra Holdings Pty Ltd ACN 606 747 602 Trading as Southside Village [2021] ACAT 71 at [43]
[11] Hamers v South Canberra Holdings Pty Ltd ACN 606 747 602 Trading as Southside Village [2021] ACAT 71 at [45]. See also Pye v Pye [2022] ACAT 91
[12] See Excel Intelligent Pty Ltd v Thomson [2018] ACAT 4 at [53]; V v Elringtons Pty Ltd [2018] ACAT 23 at [23]; Harada v Barnes & Anor [2021] ACAT 66 at [8]- [10]; He v Qin & Ors [2021] ACAT 129 at [43]- [48]; LP 202021 v Council of the Law Society of the ACT [2022] ACAT 80 at [101]- [103]
[13] Tam v Du [2019] ACAT 94 at [22] citing Giusida Pty Ltd v Commissioner for ACT Revenue [2016] ACTSC 275 at [29]- [39]; Excel Intelligent Pty Ltd v Thomson [2018] ACAT 4 at [46]- [55]
[15] Lisa Jane Pye v The Registrar, Domestic Animals Act 2000, AT 38/2021
[17] Email from Ms Pye to the tribunal and the Registrar's representative dated 8 August 2022 paragraph (a) and penultimate paragraph
[18] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 12
[19] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 12
[20] Email from Ms Pye to the tribunal and the Registrar's representative dated 8 August 2022 paragraph (j)
[21] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 12
[22] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [21(d)]
[23] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [24] and [26]
[24] Hurst-Myers v Aulich Civil Law Pty Ltd [2020] ACAT 56 at [11]- [30]
[25] CDJ v VAJ (No 1) [1998] HCA 67
[26] CDJ v VAJ (No 1) [1998] HCA 67 at [55]
[27] CDJ v VAJ (No 1) [1998] HCA 67 at [111]
[28] Fox v Percy [2003] HCA 22 at [22]
[29] Hurst-Myers v Aulich Civil Law Pty Ltd [2020] ACAT 56 at [30]
[30] Amer v Erikson [2019] ACAT 108 at [19]- [21], citations omitted
[[&]](https://anzlaw.thomsonreuters.com/Link/Document/FullText?refType=U2<a name=) at [160]
[33] [2020] QCATA 131 at [6] citing Clarke v Japan Machines (Australia) Pty Ltd [1984] 1 Qd R 404, 408
[34] Fernando v Medical Complaints Tribunal (No 2) [2003] TASSC 139
[35] Fernando v Medical Complaints Tribunal (No 2) [2003] TASSC 139 at [18]
[36] Fernando v Medical Complaints Tribunal (No 2) [2003] TASSC 139 at [22]
[37] Fernando v Medical Complaints Tribunal (No 2) [2003] TASSC 139 at [19]
[38]Arnot v Commissioner of Fire and Rescue NSW [2021] NSWIRComm 1082
[39] Arnot v Commissioner of Fire and Rescue NSW [2021] NSWIRComm 1082 at [22]
[40] CCH Australia Ltd v Bowen (1998) 79 IR 206
[41] CCH Australia Ltd v Bowen (1998) 79 IR 206 at [211]
[42] Hurst-Myers v Aulich Civil Law Pty Ltd [2020] ACAT 56 at [10]
[43] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 2, 4, 9
[44] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 2, 3
[45] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 2, 4, 5, 8-9
[46] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 4, 5
[47] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 3-4, 7, 12, 13
[48] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 4, 5
[49] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 4, 7, 10, 11, 14
[50] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 6, 8
[51] Transcript of proceedings 27 May 2021, pages 14-18
[52] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, pages 11-12; Transcript of proceedings 8 August 2022, pages 6-7; Exhibit A1 (email from L Pye to Registrar dated 2 June 2021)
[54] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, pages 104, 118
[55] Email from Ms Pye to the tribunal and the Registrar's representative dated 8 August 2022 paragraphs (a) and (b)
[56] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [22]-[23]
[57] See Annexure J1 of the Attachments to Response dated 8 August 2022
[58] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [25]
[59] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 12
[60] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [3]
[61] Pye v The Registrar at [12]-[14]
[62] Appellant's submissions filed 13 July 2022, page 5 at [14]
[63] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [25]
[64] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [26]
[65] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [5]
[66] Pye v The Registrar at [15]-[16]
[67] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 7 at [15]
[68] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 6 at [26]
[69] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [27]-[28]
[71] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 7 at [17]
[72] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 9
[73] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [29]-[30]
[74] Exhibit R3, pages 86-100 and 106-110
[77] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [6]
[78] Appellant's submissions filed 13 July 2022, page 9 at [22]
[79] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [31]-[32], Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [6]
[80] Pye v The Registrar at [26]-[27]
[81] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, pages 10-11 at [27]
[82] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [33]
[83] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [34]
[84] Pye v The Registrar at [32]-[33]
[85] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 12 at [33]
[86] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [34]
[87] Appellant's submissions filed 13 July 2022, page 13 at [34]
[88] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [35]-[36]
[91] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, pages 14-15 at [38]
[92] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions at 37
[93] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [37]-[38]
[94] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 15 at [40]
[95] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 7 at [38]
[96] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [39]-[40]
[97] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [8]
[102] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 16 at [41]
[103] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [9]
[104] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [41]-[42]
[105] Sarbandi v Sharif [2017] ACAT 57
[106] Sarbandi v Sharif [2017] ACAT 57 at [67]
[107] Cross on Evidence, [11150] citations omitted
[108] Cross on Evidence, [11150] citations omitted
[109] Sarbandi v Sharif [2017] ACAT 57 at [71]
[110] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 5 at [21]
[112] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 16 at [42]
[113] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [43]-[44]
[114] Exhibit R3, Tribunal documents AT 8/2022 T-46, T-66
[115] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 26
[116] Pye v The Registrar at [43], [44]
[118] Appellant's submission filed on 13 July 2022, page 18 at [45]
[119] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 8 at [44]
[121] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [45], [46]
[122] See transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 29 at [39]-[47] and page 30 at [1]-[11]
[123] See transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 30 at [13]-[16]
[124] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [11]
[125] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [12]
[126] Email from Ms Pye to the Tribunal and the Registrar's representative dated 8 August 2020 paragraph (e); Transcript of proceedings 8 August 2022, page 8
[127] Appellant's submission filed on 13 July 2022, page 18 at [46]
[128] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [47]
[129] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 8 at [47]
[130] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [13]
[131] Another condition of the Dangerous Dog Licence was that Ms Pye must undertake a course on dog behaviour. The Appeal Tribunal does not know whether the training included instruction on how to secure a muzzle. Ms Butler gave evidence at the original hearing that, in accordance with the Dangerous Dog Licences, Ms Pye needed to undertake training for both dogs. Ms Pye had to be responsible and be held responsible. She had started training with Ms Butler in relation to Tonner: Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 102, 119
[133] Appellant's submission filed on 13 July 2022 page 19 at [48]
[134] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [48]
[135] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 9 at [48]
[137] Appellant's submission filed on 13 July 2022, page 20 at [50]
[138] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, pages 135, 138
[139] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [50]
[140] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 9 at [50]
[141] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [15]
[142] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 page 140
[143] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 138-139, 147
[144] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 141-142
[145] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 page 141
[146] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 page 139
[147] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 141, 147
[148] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 143-144
[149] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 page 112
[150] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 115-116, 117
[152] Appellant's submission filed 13 July 2022, page 21 at [54]
[153] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [51]-[52]
[154] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 94, 95, 101, 110, 122
[155] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 110, 116
[156] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022 pages 101, 109-110, 117
[158] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 9 at [53]
[159] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [53]-[54]
[160] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [16]
[162] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 24 at [60]
[163] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 10 at [54]
[164] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [55]
[165] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply paragraph 17
[168] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 24 at [61]
[169] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [56]-[57]
[170] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 10 at [57]
[172] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 27 at [63]
[173] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [58]-[59]
[174] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 10 at [57]
[176] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 27 at [64]
[177] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 155: "So on the day, we made the judgment call that due to the fact we could still put three fingers under the collar it was loose enough for the dog."
[179] Appellant's Response to the Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 11 at [60]
[180] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [19]
[182] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 29
[183] Appellant's Responses to Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [62]
[184] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at [62], Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [20]
[185] Appellant's submissions filed on 13 July 2022, page 30 at [71]
[186] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 11 at [63]
[187] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 1 at [4]
[188] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 12
[189] Transcript of proceedings 8 August 2022, pages 13-14
[190] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 7
[191] Transcript of proceedings 1 March 2022, page 96
[192] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 5 at [21]
[193] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, page 11
[194] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [21(a)]
[195] Appellant's Response to Respondent's Outline of Submissions, pages 11-12
[196] Pye v The Registrar at [76]-[77]
[197] Respondent's Outline of Submissions to the Appellant's Submissions in Reply at [21(b)]
PYE
REGISTRAR, DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 2000
(1994) 34 NSWLR 155
(1998) 79 IR 206