"The only reason, do I understand you correctly - the only reason you didn't stop is because the man had a gun?---The reason I didn't stop was because I was scared the living daylights out of.
He scared the daylights out of you, I think you said, because he had a gun?---Yes.
You see, he didn't produce his gun until some time after you had started reversing. We've seen that on the video?---That's incorrect.
That's incorrect?---Yes.
I see. When did he produce his gun?---When he dropped his jacket on the ground.
But by that time he's already right at your door. We've seen that on the video?---That's right.
So you say that's incorrect as well, do you; that he didn't have a gun until - he didn't take his gun out until you started reversing?---You see, he fumbled and dropped it on the ground with the jacket.
At that time while he was fumbling you didn't know what he was fumbling about because you didn't see the gun at that time, did you?---Well, he immediately picked it up.
Don't let's jump ahead. Just try and stick with me. If I'm going too fast or you don't understand, please, I'll stop and slow down?---I saw the gun on the ground, yeah.
You saw the gun on the ground?---If that's what you're asking.
But until he's dropped it on the ground you haven't seen this man, Federal Agent Harrison, with a gun at all, have you?---Well, yeah. He dropped it on the ground.
Before he dropped it on the ground, Mr Paterson. Come on. You know what I'm saying. Let's get it straight. Before he dropped his gun on the ground you didn't see a gun?---Well, no, no.
So what possible reason did you have to be scared of him if he's just come up to you without a gun?---He had an angry face on him and he was coming at me.
An angry face?---Yeah.
You're a pretty big sort of a bloke yourself?---Not as big as him.
Yes, but you're a big guy. You know how to look after yourself, let's face it, don't you?---I wouldn't say - I'm no champion.
I'm not suggesting you're Jeff Fenech or anybody like that, but you know how to look after yourself, don't you?---Look, I've got two kids now. I take it easy these days.
That's not what I'm asking you?---Well, that's my answer.
I want an answer that answers the question. You know certainly as a martial arts - you know how to look after yourself and knew how to look after yourself?---I haven't had a fight for that many years I can't remember.
Okay, so you've not answered my question that you knew how to look after yourself or didn't know how to look after yourself?---As in looking after myself? What context do you want that in?
Well, you've got some bloke, on your version, before you see any gun - some bloke coming at a brisk pace - the video is correct, I take it, and he's come up to you. You don't see a gun and why don't you just stop and say, 'Look, what's the matter, buddy? You're in my way'?---But I was reversing.
Pardon?---I was reversing.
Right, and you reversed in such a manner as to, I'm putting to you, intentionally cause him harm?---No. That's incorrect.
Because you did hear him say, 'Stop. Police,' didn't you?---No. I didn't ever hear anything like that. There was too many other noises going on.
What other noises were going on?---The car, the radio, the dog was going berserk."