[2025] FWC 3473
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-12-18
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
"The Respondent will not be attending the conference scheduled today as this matter has already been to a conciliation conference with no resolution."
"The Respondent satisfies the definition of a 'Small Business'.
The Respondent operates a Chemical Manufacturing business and has previously relied upon external HR services for advice and support in this matter.
The Owner/Director, Mr Nathan Hawkesford does not hold HR/IR or legal qualifications or has any relevant experience with Fair Work Legislation.
The claim for unfair dismissal includes a question of jurisdiction and may involve; conciliation and/or arbitration;
• it would enable the matter to be dealt with more efficiently if the Respondent is
• it would be unfair not to allow the Respondent to be represented because they do not have the relevant experience to represent themselves (or their entity), and
• it would be unfair when considering the fairness between parties as the Applicant has written to the Commission advising that he is seeking to be represented.
The Respondent has no objection to the Applicant being represented."
"As a part-time advocate with other commitments, I am unable to prepare, serve and file additional information due to the tight timeframe."
"... This led to the Respondent threatening the Applicant's employment if the latter did not accept the remuneration being provided.
3. The Applicant organised a meeting in which he summarised his findings regarding underpayments. The Respondent's director again threatened to terminate the Applicant, stating the Applicant was being "over the top", and that the Respondent would not be investigating the matter.
5. Due to the threats of termination, the Applicant backed down and accepted a $400 bonus."
"I still exceed my predecessor achievements and feel that I have no other choice than to resign as this is totally unacceptable"
"Ad [SIC] this is now gone beyond any professional person can take this as my notice to terminate"
I understand your frustration as you were sometimes unhappy the way I ran things, but at the end of the day this is my business, and I make the decisions.
I have enjoyed working with you and it was never my intention for it to go the way it did in our meeting, but saying you were at home because you had nothing to do is just no good enough for me. I think we both expect different things from each other and so I am happy to except your termination, and you will be paid all entitlements in full once all Chemsol property is returned. I am happy to pay for the ride home for you or get one of the guys to take you home.
If you leaving all goes well, I am happy to offer any new employer a reference"
I am trying to do the right thing, but I need the Chemsol property back before we can finalise all payments.
Last weeks wage will get paid today and we will process your commission and final payment tomorrow if everything is returned.
You are still working for Chemsol today so please deliver all Chemsol property back today."
Plus offering 3 weeks is what I'm due as I've worked there 3 years
Sorry but you saying you will do what you want as it's your company is tgd same as when you decided not to pay me for items sold
It's not right and when I was duped in to a normal meeting ref wages and this one
The law says I have to be told prior and I'm allowed a person of my choice in any disciplinary
So please pass on as requested and I will be in touch when I find out what's going on
This was not a planned thing as I don't have a plan B. If I knew this was going to happen, I would have organised a replacement.
There is no one starting and I have not advertised yet.
Happy for you to get advice, but in the end you left.
Sorry, you are right you are due 3 weeks as you are over 45 years old. You started on the 19th of August 2022 and you finished today, so it is under 3 years. I am happy to pay you 4 weeks if you can bring back Chemsol property today.
As I have told you I am not in the habit of not paying staff or underpaying staff, that's not how I operate."
"I'm still in hospital and as you were sacking me and gave me the option to resign I did"
In same email Mr Smith refused to return company property until all the commissions that he claimed to be entitled to had been paid.[40] This is the first occasion in any of the correspondence where Mr Smith contemporaneously with the separation first mentions that he was dismissed. Mr Smith conceded in cross examination that he had obtained legal advice.[41]
(a) the person's employment with his or her employer has been terminated on the employer's initiative; or
(b) the person has resigned from his or her employment, but was forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by his or her employer."
1528. This clause sets out the circumstances in which a person is taken to be dismissed. A person is dismissed if the person's employment with his or her employer was terminated on the employer's initiative. This is intended to capture case law relating to the meaning of 'termination at the initiative of the employer' (see, e.g., Mohazab v Dick Smith Electronics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 625; (1995) 62 IR 200).
1529. Paragraph 386(1)(b) provides that a person has been dismissed if they resigned from their employment but were forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by their employer. Conduct includes both an act and a failure to act (see the definition in clause 12)."
"[47] Having regard to the above authorities and the bifurcation in the definition of "dismissal" established in s.386(1) of the FW Act, we consider that the position under the FW Act may be summarised as follows:
(1) There may be a dismissal within the first limb of the definition in s.386(1)(a) where, although the employee has given an ostensible communication of a resignation, the resignation is not legally effective because it was expressed in the "heat of the moment" or when the employee was in a state of emotional stress or mental confusion such that the employee could not reasonably be understood to be conveying a real intention to resign. Although "jostling" by the employer may contribute to the resignation being legally ineffective, employer conductis not a necessary element. In this situation if the employer simply treats the ostensible resignation as terminating the employment rather than clarifying or confirming with the employee after a reasonable time that the employee genuinely intended to resign, this may be characterised as a termination of the employment at the initiative of the employer.
(2) A resignation that is "forced" by conduct or a course of conduct on the part of the employer will be a dismissal within the second limb of the definition in s.386(1)(b). The test to be applied here is whether the employer engaged in the conduct with the intention of bringing the employment to an end or whether termination of the employment was the probable (sic) result of the employer's conduct such that the employee had no effective or real choice but to resign. Unlike the situation in (1), the requisite employer conduct is the essential element."
This was not a planned thing as I don't have a plan B. If I knew this was going to happen, I would have organised a replacement.
There is no one starting and I have not advertised yet.
Happy for you to get advice, but in the end you left. [49]
"...it would be a perverse outcome to consider an objectively fair investigation and show cause process as imposing forcibly upon the Applicant that they must resign."
This was not a planned thing as I don't have a plan B. If I knew this was going to happen, I would have organised a replacement.
There is no one starting and I have not advertised yet.
Happy for you to get advice, but in the end you left. [60]
[1] Warrell v Walton [2013] FCA 291; (2013) 233 IR 335, 341 [22].
[2] Digital Court Book (DCB) at 173.
[14] FWC Transcript of Proceedings (Transcript), 21 November 2025, [PN392] (Binet DP).
[22] Ibid 5, 12, Transcript (n14) at PN295.
[46] Bupa Aged Care Australia Pty Ltd T/A Bupa Aged Care Mosman v Shahin Tavassoli [2017] FWCFB 3941 at [47].
[51] Australian Hearing v Peary [2009] AIRCFB 680(Giudice J, Kaufman SDP, Larkin C, 28 July 2009) at [30].
[52] Doumit v ABB Engineering Construction Pty LtdPrint N6999 (AIRCFB, Munro J, Duncan DP, Merriman C, 9 December 1996).
[53] Pacific National (NSW) Ltd v Bell[2008] AIRCFB 555.
[54] Moore v Woolworths Group Limted T/A Big W [2020] FWC 963 at [26].
[57] Moore, Jodie v Woolworths Group Limted T/A Big W - [2020] FWC 963 at [29].
[58] Mr Michael Costigan v KOR Equipment Solutions Pty Ltd [2022] FWC 176.
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Hawkesford Nominees Pty Ltd [2025] FWC 3473
(1995) 62 IR 200
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