[2023] VSCA 98
General information, not legal advice.
Court of Appeal (Vic)
2023-05-01
Niall JA, Kaye JA
Original judgment source is linked above.
I recognised him from the occasion when he pulled the firearm on me. This is not something that you forget.
The male holding the gun was of Arabic appearance, he was wearing a half mask covering the bottom of his face, it was plain black. He had really thick eyebrows and dark eyes. I think he was wearing a hoddie [sic] but I could tell he had short black hair. I'm 6'2 so I think he would have been about 5'9 or 5'10. I'd say he was about 21 or 22 years old. I don't remember the description of the other males but they were all Arab and between 19 and 24 years old.
I didn't include everything in my first statement because I was unsure of everything, I was in shock at the death of Adrian and the passing of [his grandmother].
It was at this point that I got a good look at the person holding the gun. I can identify this person as [the applicant]. I did not see any other person standing with him at this time.
I recognised him from the occasion when he pulled the firearm on me. This is not something that you forget. All I saw was his face. He was wearing a black hoodie and a dark half mask. However you could see his eyes and his eyebrows and nose. I would have been less than a metre away from him at this point.
'Cause I know it's them. I was - you can tell - I'm - I'm very good with faces.
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Taki[3] mentioned it and the thing is, is that the guys that I saw from - when I - when they pulled out that gun ... was the same guys that did this murder to my mate Adrian Pacione.
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Taki was the one to say it, Taki ...
When I first saw - when I - all this happened, O.K., I - I - the guy, you know, I - I recognised him but I didn't know. I'm like, 'I've seen his face,' but I wasn't a hundred per cent sure who. Then I think it was a couple of night - I think it was the night - night after or whatever it was, I was - I was with Taki and I was - and Taki's mentioned that...
Q 245 Yeah. So the person you saw with the firearm - - -
- The gun was [the applicant] and that's the guy that pulled the gun on me at the first time.
Q 246 Yeah.
A I had a good look at him, I - I'm witness to that.
Q 247 Yeah.
- He needs to serve - he need - I need to bring my mate some peace and he needs to get fuckin' - - -
Q 248 Yeah.
A - - - locked up for a very - - -
Q 249 Yeah.
A - - - long - very long time for what he's done.
Q 250 And you saw his face at the - - -
A I saw his face. I know that that's a hundred per cent him.
Q 251 Yeah.
- 'Cause we're - and especially when Taki cleared it up, where he said [the applicant]'s - [the applicant]'s dad - - -
Q 252 Yeah.
A - - - spoke to his auntie and said, 'Please don't go to the cops - - -'
Q 253 Yeah.
A - - - you know, 'for what's - for what I've done,' whatever.
Q 254 Yeah. Do you know the auntie's name?
A Nuh, nuh. I don't know anything, I've just - that's - - -
Q 255 Yeah.
A I've - the thing is, I've - I've had to get this out of Taki - - -
Q 256 Yeah.
- - - - I interrogated him. We didn't find out anything, we had to find out shit out of Taki. We found out this these guys were messaging Taki, kept messaging him - - -
Q 257 Yeah.
- - - - threatening him, even said to him, 'If you don't bring the gun back we're coming to your house.'
Q 258 Yeah.
A So there's a lot of shit that Taki needs to be talking about too - - -
Q 259 Yeah.
A - - - that needs to - he needs to open up.
Q 260 What was - can you describe what [the applicant] was wearing on the night?
A Nuh. When - which night?
Q 261 The shooting - - -
Q 262 Shooting.
Q 263 - - - night.
- Nuh. I can't really remember. It was just like a - I think it was like a black hoodie and just bandanna, a - I can't really remember, it was a quick look - - -
Q 264 So bandanna - - -
A - - - but I remember his face - - -
Q 265 Bandanna was covering - - -
A - - - I remember seeing his eyes.
Q 266 - - - what part?
- Just - just here - just here. But I remember I looked at his eyes and the thing is I'm - I'm good with faces. I looked at his eyes, I knew he was familiar but I didn't know who. Taki cleared it up for me when he told me to - [the applicant] and I was like, '[the applicant] was the guy from the second - that was him,' that's where I found him familiar. That was the guy, I put two-to-two together and brang it to one, that's the killer, you know what I mean, and - yeah.
Q 267 Yeah, all right. And so when you're at the door, mate, tell me the, like, who was standing where and - - -
- All right. So way - the way - I can't remember - I remember seeing one other guy and I believe that's Robbie Hammoud. Doing a - - -
Q 268 Mm.
- - - - bit of research, seeing some photos and seeing who [the applicant] was with a couple of nights before, I believe one of the guys there was Robbie Hammoud as well.
Q 269 Yeah.
- And - 'cause what happened was we were - we were at - when they done the shooting and that, I can't remember if it was after or before - - -
Q 270 Mm.
- - - - I seen the - 'cause the curtains were flapping, I think it was after, like, they shot, the curtains flapped, like, and I saw a face and I saw - I saw this guy but I wasn't - didn't know who it was.
Q 271 Mm.
- But then I'm - I'm - I'm searching up, like, later on I wanted to do a bit of my own investigation myself.
Q 272 Yeah.
- I wanted to see, you know what I mean? And I seen - I seen that [the applicant] was a - with a few guys that night and one of the other - one - one guys he was with looked very familiar was that - that was with him on that night of the shooting.
Q 273 Yeah.
A And that was Robbie Hammoud.
First person, a hundred per cent, 200, three, four, 500 per cent [the applicant] with the gun that shot through, through the window. I'm - I'm dead, like, I know ... that was him. I'm a hundred per cent on that, yeah. I can - you can bring him in the room and I'll point him out. You can put a hundred guys and I'll point him out which one, yeah.
You told him, did you, that you didn't know who that person was? Is that what you told that officer taking the statement from you?---Yes. At the time.
You were being truthful again, were you?---At the time, yes.
You also told that officer that was taking the statement from you that you didn't recognise that person that was outside the house holding a gun? Is that what you told that officer taking your statement?---Yes, at the time, yes.
That was the truth, was it?---Correct.
You didn't recognise that person who was outside - - -?---At that time - - -- the house holding a gun?---At that time, yes.
Right. And did you also tell that officer who was taking the statement from you that you had no idea what this shooting was all about?---Um. At the time, yes.
Again, you were trying to be truthful, were you?---Um. Yeah. Yes, I was.
When the incident occurred, did you believe or not believe that you knew who it was?---Well, at the time ......
On the night, when the incident occurred, did you think you knew who the shooter was?---I thought, but I didn't know.
Sorry, you thought?---Yes, but I didn't know.
But you didn't know?---No.
So, what, you had a suspicion?---Correct.
And did you tell the police about that suspicion?---No I didn't.
Why not?--- 'Cause I was in fear and in shock. Fear for my own safety.
Did Taki tell you that it was [the applicant] who was involved in the shooting?---Well, yeah.
Right. Now Taki wasn't at the shooting, he wasn't at Christian's house that night, was he?---Correct.
When did he tell you that it was [the applicant] who was involved in the shooting?---Moments after when we seen him, couple of hours later when we seen him.
Yes, right?---He reminded, like, not reminded but mentioned it.
Now just to clear that up, I'll clarify that. Where do you say you saw Taki that night after the shooting?---Bundoora Hotel, I think it was. Some hotel along Bundoora next to Bundoora Park.
Right. This is after you've made your statements to police, is it?---Correct.
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Right. And so that statement was made at about 12.30 am or concluded, you say you went to a hotel after that do you?---Yes.
And that's where you ran into Taki?---Correct.
Right. And you spoke to the police in the record of interview about looking at photos on Facebook. Do you remember talking about that in the record of interview?---I think so, yeah.
And so did this occur that night with Taki that he showed photos of the person he said was [the applicant] on Facebook? ---I believe so, yes.
All right. He showed you a photo of a person he said was [the applicant] on Facebook, correct?---Yep.
And he told you that that person was the person who shot, killed your friend. Is that right?---That's correct. 'Cause he was getting messages prior to the shooting that apparently they were going to come to the house and everything through Wickr.
Right. So we have the sequence whereby in the first statement that you made to police on the night at Christian's house where you tried to give them as much information as you could. You said absolutely nothing about I thought this person might be [the applicant] or it was [the applicant] or the man with the gun was [the applicant] . There was just nothing of that in the statement, was there?---Correct.
We then have the meeting with - after you made the statement the meeting with Taki where he tells you it was [the applicant], shows you [the applicant] on Facebook, correct? ---Correct.
Yes. And then by the time of this record of interview on 27 July, as the interview goes on, explain that you know that the person who shot your friend was [the applicant] because Taki's told you that?---Well, he didn't tell me - he didn't tell me, he saw - he didn't tell me, he just showed me him and I just seen that face.
No, you've just told us he - you've already explained that in your evidence and you've said it - - -?---Yeah, Taki didn't tell me; Taki showed me. He said it and I've seen the photo, and I've put two and 2 together.
He said that [the applicant] was the person who shot your friend and you've put two and 2 together, is that right?---He didn't say [the applicant] was the person who shot - he doesn't know who shot who because he wasn't there. He just showed me the people that were involved into the altercation prior to the shooting.
Well, what did you mean by this in the record of interview when you said this at Question 266 that, 'Taki cleared it up for me when he told me [the applicant]'?---'Cause I was confused on what happened, um, who this was. At the time I was confused, there was just a lot of things going on.
In my opinion, Tigani's evidence is probative, albeit that there are differences and discrepancies which are open to be analysed and criticised before a jury. The probative value of the evidence is not outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice.
In essence, Tigani's evidence is that when he saw the person in possession of the firearm on 18 July 2020, he believed that person was familiar to him. When he was later shown the Facebook photograph by Pramatias, it confirmed in his mind that the shooter was the accused man [the applicant]. [The applicant] was a man Tigani had an altercation with on 23 June 2020, during a failed drug transaction. He had an opportunity to observe him. His evidence indicates that, particularly initially, he was frightened and that affected what he initially told police. When shown the photograph of [the applicant], he recognised it as being the person in possession of the firearm, that the Crown say was used to shoot Pacione.
The issues raised about the shortcomings and unreliability of this identification are, in my view, jury issues. This is not one of those cases that fall within the category described by the High Court in IMM as being weak and unconvincing, as was the case in Bayley.[7]
(a) the assailant was wearing a balaclava that covered the whole of the face other than the eyes, and there was no ability to observe the person's nose, lips, eyebrows or hair; and > > (b) Tigani was only at the front door for a few seconds.
(a) He was not in a position to identify the man because most of the person's face was covered by a mask and he had a black hoodie over his head.
The use of the term 'probative value' and the word 'extent' in its definition rest upon the premise that relevant evidence can rationally affect the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue to different degrees. Taken by itself, the evidence may, if accepted, support an inference to a high degree of probability that the fact in issue exists. On the other hand, it may only, as in the case of circumstantial evidence, strengthen that inference, when considered in conjunction with other evidence. The evidence, if accepted, may establish a sufficient condition for the existence of the fact in issue or only a necessary condition. The ways in which evidence, if accepted, could affect the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue are various. Within the framework imposed by the statute and, in particular, the assumption that the evidence is accepted, the determination of probative value is a matter for the judge.[12]
It must also be understood that the basis upon which a trial judge proceeds, that the jury will accept the evidence taken at its highest, does not distort a finding as to the real probative value of the evidence. The circumstances surrounding the evidence may indicate that its highest level is not very high at all. The example given by J D Heydon QC was of an identification made very briefly in foggy conditions and in bad light by a witness who did not know the person identified. As he points out, on one approach it is possible to say that taken at its highest it is as high as any other identification, and then look for particular weaknesses in the evidence (which would include reliability). On another approach, it is an identification, but a weak one because it is simply unconvincing. The former is the approach undertaken by the Victorian Court of Appeal; the latter by the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal. The point presently to be made is that it is the latter approach which the statute requires. This is the assessment undertaken by the trial judge of the probative value of the evidence.[15]
Secondly, the judge should direct the jury to examine closely the circumstances in which the identification by each witness came to be made. How long did the witness have the accused under observation? At what distance? In what light? Was the observation impeded in any way, as for example by passing traffic or a press of people? Had the witness ever seen the accused before? How often? If only occasionally, had he any special reason for remembering the accused? How long elapsed between the original observation and the subsequent identification to the police? Was there any material discrepancy between the description of the accused given to the police by the witness when first seen by them and his actual appearance? If in any case, whether it is being dealt with summarily or on indictment, the prosecution have reason to believe that there is such a material discrepancy they should supply the accused or his legal advisers with particulars of the description the police were first given. In all cases if the accused asks to be given particulars of such descriptions, the prosecution should supply them. Finally, he should remind the jury of any specific weaknesses which had appeared in the identification evidence.
Recognition may be more reliable than identification of a stranger; but even when the witness is purporting to recognise someone whom he knows, the jury should be reminded that mistakes in recognition of close relatives and friends are sometimes made. All these matters go to the quality of the identification evidence. If the quality is good and remains good at the close of the accused's case, the danger of a mistaken identification is lessened; but the poorer the quality, the greater the danger.
In our judgment when the quality is good, as for example when the identification is made after a long period of observation, or in satisfactory conditions by a relative, a neighbour, a close friend, a workmate and the like, the jury can safely be left to assess the value of the identifying evidence even though there is no other evidence to support it: provided always, however, that an adequate warning has been given about the special need for caution. Were the courts to adjudge otherwise, affronts to justice would frequently occur. A few examples, taken over the whole spectrum of criminal activity, will illustrate what the effects upon the maintenance of law and order would be if any law were enacted that no person could be convicted on evidence of visual identification alone.[18]
This was an estimate that did not depend upon his Honour's assessment of [the victim's] truthfulness or reliability as a witness. Assuming that the jury would accept the August 2011 identification at its highest, it was identification with limited capacity to rationally affect the assessment of the probability that the respondent was the 'old man'. This is to recognise not only the limitations of photographic identification, but also that the August 2011 identification was evidence of [the victim's] opinion that of the 11 men whose photographs were included in the array, the respondent's photograph bore the closest resemblance to his recollection of the appearance of the man who had assaulted him two years earlier.[22]
(a) the identification was made from a single image on Facebook; > > (b) the photo was viewed 12 years after the attack; > > (c) the victim knew that the person had been charged with the rape and murder; and > > (d) the photo board identification was no more than evidence of similarity rather than identification.
Having been shown a photograph, the memory of it may be more clearly retained than the memory of the original sighting of the offender and may, accordingly, displace that original memory. Any subsequent face-to-face identification, in court or in an identification parade, may, on the identifying witness's part, in truth involve a matching of the man so identified with the remembered photograph, which has displaced in his memory his recollection of the original sighting.[25]
In this context, reference to competing inferences is unhelpful, and likely to lead to error. Relevantly, the only sense in which competing inferences are of significance in the assessment of the probative value of evidence is in the determination of whether the evidence could rationally affect the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue. As was established in IMM, that is a determination to be undertaken taking the evidence at its highest. Accordingly, unless the risk of contamination, concoction or collusion is so great that it would not be open to the jury rationally to accept the evidence, the determination of probative value excludes consideration of credibility and reliability. Subject to that exception, the risk of contamination, concoction or collusion goes only to the credibility and reliability of evidence and, therefore, is an assessment which must be left to the jury.
(a) the limited opportunity Tigani had to observe the gunman; > > (b) the fact that the gunman was wearing a mask; > > (c) the evidence of other witnesses to the effect that apart from the eyes, the entire face was covered by a 'balaclava' or mask; and > > (d) the interaction between Tigani and Pramatias during which Tigani was shown a Facebook photograph of the applicant.
(a) on his own account he had no prior association with or knowledge of the applicant apart from the incident of 23 June; > > (b) the opportunity for observation on 18 July was, again on his own account, limited (albeit he says sufficient); > > (c) the evidence (at its highest) about his perception on the night was that he suspected that the person he saw was the same person who had attempted to rob him; and > > (d) he was later shown a photograph in a context where there was plainly the risk of displacement and suggestion, and which caused him to move from suspicion to apparent certainty.
I knew he was familiar but I didn't know who. Taki cleared it up for me when he told me to - [the applicant] and I was like, '[the applicant] was the guy from the second - that was him,' that's where I found him familiar. That was the guy, I put two-to-two together and brang it to one, that's the killer, you know what I mean, and - yeah.
[1] To ensure that there is no possibility of identification, this judgment has been anonymised by the adoption of a pseudonym in place of the name of the applicant.
[2] On 3 March 2023 the judge certified the matter for the purposes of s 295(3)(a) of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009.
[3] As already noted, Pramatias is also known as Taki.
[4] (2016) 257 CLR 300; [2016] HCA 14 ('IMM').
[5] [2016] VSCA 160 ('Bayley').
[6] [2014] VSCA 111 ('Peterson').
[7] DPP v [Moreno (a pseudonym)] (Ruling No 1) [2023] VSC 78R, [48]-[50] ('Reasons').
[8] [2016] HCA 14; (2016) 257 CLR 300, 312 [39] (French CJ, Kiefel, Bell and Keane JJ); [2016] HCA 14.
[9] (1936) 55 CLR 499; [1936] HCA 40 ('House').
[10] Festa v The Queen (2001) 208 CLR 593; [2001] HCA 72 ('Festa').
[11] IMM [2016] HCA 14; (2016) 257 CLR 300, 315 [52] (French CJ, Kiefel, Bell and Keane JJ); [2016] HCA 14.
[12] Ibid 313-14 [45] (French CJ, Kiefel, Bell and Keane JJ).
[13] Ibid 317 [58] (French CJ, Kiefel, Bell and Keane JJ).
[14] John Dyson Heydon QC, 'Is the Weight of Evidence Material to Its Admissibility?' (2014) 26 Current Issues in Criminal Justice 219, 234.
[15] IMM [2016] HCA 14; (2016) 257 CLR 300, 315 [50] (French CJ, Kiefel, Bell and Keane JJ); [2016] HCA 14.
[16] Festa (2001) 208 CLR 593, 599 [15]; [2001] HCA 72.
[18] Ibid 228-9 (Lord Widgery CJ, Roskill and Lawton LJJ, Cusack and May JJ).
[19] (2017) 261 CLR 601; [2017] HCA 24 ('Dickman').
[22] [2017] HCA 24; (2017) 261 CLR 601, 614 [43] (the Court); [2017] HCA 24.
[23] Alexander v The Queen [1981] HCA 17; (1981) 145 CLR 395, 409 (Stephen J); [1981] HCA 17 ('Alexander').
[24] Bayley [2016] VSCA 160, [62] (Warren CJ, Weinberg and Priest JJA).
[25] Alexander [1981] HCA 17; (1981) 145 CLR 395, 409; [1981] HCA 17.
[26] Peterson [2014] VSCA 111, [53] (Priest and Beach JJA).
[27] Ibid [55] (Priest and Beach JJA).
[29] [2018] VSCA 39 ('Hague').
[30] [2019] VSCA 224 ('Dempsey').
[31] Hague [2018] VSCA 39, [28] (Maxwell P, Priest and Beach JJA).
[32] Dempsey [2019] VSCA 224, [128] (Beach, Kaye and Ashley JJA).
[33] Ibid [130]-[131] (Beach, Kaye and Ashley JJA).
[34] R v Bauer (a pseudonym) (2018) 266 CLR 56; [2018] HCA 40.
[35] Ibid 91-2 [69] (the Court) (citations omitted).
[36] Hague [2018] VSCA 39, [28] (Maxwell P, Priest and Beach JJA).
[37] Dickman [2017] HCA 24; (2017) 261 CLR 601, 619 [57] (the Court); [2017] HCA 24; Peterson [2014] VSCA 111, [55] (Priest and Beach JJA); Hague [2018] VSCA 39.
Moreno (a pseundonym)
The King [2023] VSCA 98
(2016) 257 CLR 300
(1936) 55 CLR 499
(2001) 208 CLR 593
(2017) 261 CLR 601
(1981) 145 CLR 395
(2018) 266 CLR 56