[2025] VCAT 650
General information, not legal advice.
Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal
2025-07-22
Original judgment source is linked above.
(i) identify any preliminary matters that need to be resolved;
(iii) provide all available (or unavailable) dates for the 4 month period starting March 2026 when all necessary participants (ie relevant parties/counsel/witnesses) will be available to attend the hearing;
(iv) advise VCAT of any other matters that may impact on the hearing process, such as the need for an interpreter or another form of assistance; and
(v) advise VCAT as to whether the hearing should be held via Zoom or in-person (at 55 King Street Melbourne) and if any party or witness wishes to attend by Zoom or telephone.
Mr B Jellis of Counsel (with Ms H David of Counsel on 14 October 2024) instructed by Ms E Arrowsmith, solicitor, Minter Ellison Lawyers.
Mr S J Moloney and Mr O K Wolahan of Counsel instructed by Mr J Steenhof, solicitor, Human Rights Law Alliance.
The seriousness of an allegation made, the inherent unlikelihood of an occurrence of a given description, or the gravity of the consequences flowing from a particular finding are considerations which must affect the answer to the question whether the issue has been proved to the reasonable satisfaction of the tribunal. In such matters "reasonable satisfaction" should not be produced by inexact proofs, indefinite testimony, or indirect inferences.
1.4 Professional values and qualities of doctors
While individual doctors have their own personal beliefs and values, there are certain professional values on which all doctors are expected to base their practice.
Doctors have a duty to make the care of patients their first concern and to practise medicine safely and effectively. They must be ethical and trustworthy.
Patients trust their doctors because they believe that, in addition to being competent, their doctor will not take advantage of them and will display qualities such as integrity, truthfulness, dependability and compassion.
Patients also rely on their doctors to protect their confidentiality.
Doctors have a responsibility to protect and promote the health of individuals and the community.
Good medical practice is patient-centred. It involves doctors understanding that each patient is unique, and working in partnership with their patients, adapting what they do to address the needs and reasonable expectations of each patient. This includes cultural awareness: being aware of their own culture and beliefs and respectful of the beliefs and cultures of others, recognising that these cultural differences may impact on the doctor-patient relationship and on the delivery of health services.
Good communication underpins every aspect of good medical practice.
Professionalism embodies all the qualities described here, and includes self-awareness and self-reflection.
Doctors are expected to reflect regularly on whether they are practising effectively, on what is happening in their relationships with patients and colleagues, and on their own health and wellbeing. They have a duty to keep their skills and knowledge up to date, refine and develop their clinical judgement as they gain experience, and contribute to their profession.
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3.7 Culturally safe and sensitive practice
Good medical practice involves genuine efforts to understand the cultural needs and contexts of different patients to obtain good health outcomes. This includes:
3.7.1 Having knowledge of, respect for, and sensitivity towards, the cultural needs of the community you serve, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians and those from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds.
3.7.2 Acknowledging the social, economic, cultural and behavioural factors influencing health, both at individual and population levels.
3.7.3 Understanding that your own culture and beliefs influence your interactions with patients and ensuring that this does not unduly influence your decision-making.
3.7.4 Adapting your practice to improve patient engagement and healthcare outcomes.
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4.1 Introduction
Good relationships with medical colleagues, nurses and other healthcare professionals strengthen the doctor- patient relationship and enhance patient care.
4.2 Respect for medical colleagues and other healthcare professionals
Good patient care is enhanced when there is mutual respect and clear communication between all healthcare professionals involved in the care of the patient. Good medical practice involves:
4.2.1 Communicating clearly, effectively, respectfully and promptly with other doctors and healthcare professionals caring for the patient.
4.2.2 Acknowledging and respecting the contribution of all healthcare professionals involved in the care of the patient.
4.2.3 Behaving professionally and courteously to colleagues and other practitioners including when using social media.
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5.4 Public health
Doctors have a responsibility to promote the health of the community through disease prevention and control, education and screening. Good medical practice involves:
5.4.1 Understanding the principles of public health, including health education, health promotion, disease prevention and control and screening.
5.4.2 Participating in efforts to promote the health of the community and being aware of your obligations in disease prevention, screening and reporting notifiable diseases.
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2.1 Professional values and qualities of doctors
While individual doctors have their own personal beliefs and values, there are certain professional values on which all doctors are expected to base their practice.
Doctors have a duty to make the care of patients their first concern and to practise medicine safely and effectively. They must be honest, ethical and trustworthy.
Patients trust their doctors because they believe that, as well as being competent, their doctor will not take advantage of them and will display qualities such as integrity, truthfulness, dependability and compassion.
Patients rely on their doctors to protect their confidentiality.
Doctors have a responsibility to protect and promote the health of individuals and the community.
Good medical practice is patient-centred. For individual doctors, it involves working in partnership with your patients, understanding that each patient is unique, and adapting what you do to address their needs and reasonable expectations. Good medical practice also involves practising in a way that is culturally safe and respectful; being aware of your own culture and beliefs and respectful of the beliefs and cultures of others, and recognising that these cultural differences may impact on the doctor-patient relationship and on the delivery of health services.
Good communication underpins every aspect of good medical practice.
Professionalism includes self-awareness and self-reflection. Good medical practice requires doctors to reflect regularly on their practice and its effectiveness, consider what is happening in their relationships with patients and colleagues, and look after their own health and wellbeing. It requires doctors to learn from what has gone well and what hasn't. Doctors have a duty to keep their skills and knowledge up to date, to develop and refine their clinical judgement as they gain experience, and contribute to their profession.
The community trusts the medical profession. Every doctor has a responsibility to behave ethically to justify this trust.
While there are professional values that underpin good medical practice, all doctors have a right to have and express their personal views and values. However, the boundary between a doctor's personal and public profile
can be blurred. As a doctor, you need to consider the effect of your public comments and your actions outside work, including online, related to medical and clinical issues, and how they reflect on your role as a doctor and on the reputation of the profession.
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Section 4.7 (above) defines cultural safety for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples specifically for their status as First Nations Peoples. Culturally safe and respectful practice is also important for all communities.
Australia is a culturally and linguistically diverse nation.
Culturally safe practice requires you to understand how your own culture, values, attitudes, assumptions and beliefs influence your interactions with patients and their families, the community, colleagues and team members.
Culturally safe care acknowledges the social, economic, cultural, historic and behavioural factors influencing the health of individuals, communities and populations. It is characterised by respect for the diverse cultures, beliefs, gender identities, sexualities and experiences of people, including patients and their families, colleagues and team members.
Cultural safety involves understanding what individual patients and/or their family believe is culturally safe.
Culturally safe and respectful practice requires genuine efforts to adapt your practice as needed, to respect diversity and avoid bias, discrimination and racism. It also involves challenging assumptions that may be based on, for example, gender, disability, race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, age or political beliefs. Culturally safe practice, like all good medical practice, does not require doctors to provide care that is medically unsafe or inappropriate.
Doctors can create a positive, inclusive, culturally safe work environment by practising in a way that is culturally safe and supports the rights, dignity and safety of others.
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Respectful relationships with medical colleagues, other healthcare professionals, team members and patients are essential for safe patient care.
5.2 Respect for medical colleagues and other healthcare professionals
Good patient care is enhanced when there is mutual respect and clear communication between all healthcare professionals involved in the care of the patient. Good medical practice involves:
Doctors have a responsibility to contribute to the effectiveness and efficiency of the healthcare system.
Doctors have a responsibility to promote the health of the community through disease prevention and control, education and screening. Good medical practice involves:
... the duty of a court is to give the words of a statutory provision the meaning that the legislature is taken to have intended them to have. Ordinarily, that meaning (the legal meaning) will correspond with the grammatical meaning of the provision. But not always. The context of the words, the consequences of a literal or grammatical construction, the purpose of the statute or the canons of construction may require the words of a legislative provision to be read in a way that does not correspond with the literal or grammatical meaning.
The primary object of statutory construction is to construe the relevant provision so that it is consistent with the language and purpose of all the provisions of the statute. The meaning of the provision must be determined "by reference to the language of the instrument viewed as a whole". In Commissioner for Railways (NSW) v Agalianos, Dixon CJ pointed out that "the context, the general purpose and policy of a provision and its consistency and fairness are surer guides to its meaning than the logic with which it is constructed". Thus, the process of construction must always begin by examining the context of the provision that is being construed.
Freedom of speech is a long-established common law freedom. It has been linked to the proper functioning of representative democracies and on that basis has informed the application of public interest considerations to claimed restraints upon publication of information. It is never more powerful than when it involves the discussion and criticism of public authorities and institutions, be they legislative, executive or judicial.
Heydon J similarly said that '[t]he common law right of free speech is a fundamental right or freedom falling within the principle of legality', and endorsed descriptions of the right as being 'the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom', as well as being 'instrumentally important' and 'the lifeblood of democracy', and 'the most immediate expression of the human personality ... in society and, as such, one of the noblest of human rights'. Heydon J noted that this is a wider concept than the protection of political communications:
The common law right of free speech which the principle of legality protects is significantly wider, incidentally, than the constitutional limitation on the power to enact laws burdening communications on government and political matters.
"[I]n determining whether that requirement of reasonable proportionality is satisfied, it is material to ascertain whether, and to what extent, the law goes beyond what is reasonably necessary or conceivably desirable for the achievement of the legitimate object sought to be attained and, in so doing, causes adverse consequences unrelated to the achievement of that object. In particular, it is material to ascertain whether those adverse consequences result in any infringement of fundamental values traditionally protected by the common law, such as freedom of expression."
As discussed below, analogous reasoning applies to the determination whether a by-law is, or is capable of being, a reasonable and proportionate, and therefore valid, exercise of the by-law making power. Its effect upon the exercise of freedom of expression will be a material consideration.
... In Malika Holdings Pty Ltd v Stretton, however, I warned of the need for caution in applying this presumption: nowadays legislatures regularly enact laws that infringe the common law rights of individuals. The presumption of non-interference is strong when the right is a fundamental right of our legal system; it is weak when the right is merely one to take or not take a particular course of action. Courts should not cut down the natural and ordinary meaning of legislation evincing an intention to interfere with these lesser rights by relying on a presumption that the legislature did not intend to interfere with them. Given the frequency with which legislatures now abolish or amend "ordinary" common law rights, the "presumption" of non-interference with those rights is inconsistent with modern experience and borders on fiction. If the presumption still exists in such cases, its effect must be so negligible that it can only have weight when all other factors are evenly balanced.
It is clear that where legislation might interfere with a basic freedom, express words are necessary: "the courts should not impute to legislature an intentions to interfere with fundamental rights" Coco v The Queen [1994] HCA 15; (1994) 179 CLR 427 at 437.
However, it is not plain, at least to me, that s 298SC derogates from the right of freedom of speech. All it does is seek to prevent a person from making a false or misleading statement about the subject matter in the section. To that extent, it derogates from the right, if there be a right, to make a false or misleading statement about those matters. It must also be recognised that to the limited extent that the provision does derogate from freedom of speech, it does so for the purpose of protecting another freedom, the freedom of association. In any event, even if the provision does derogate from the right of freedom of speech, it does not follow that the words ought to be given a meaning that the legislature did not intend.
For the same reasons as indicated in the IA Reasons, this case is not about freedom of expression, but rather about whether a registered health practitioner's use of social media is inconsistent with his professional obligations.
111 We re-state that this case does not involve consideration of the general right to freedom of expression, or academic freedom. Counsel for Dr Ellis made a submission to the effect that today's "heretics" are tomorrow's "pioneers" and that, while he was not describing Dr Ellis as a pioneer, he was submitting that to go so far as to suspend Dr Ellis' registration would have a "chilling effect" on doctors who had an interest in "advancing medicine". Counsel submitted that it would be dangerous to suspend a doctor for expressing "fringe" views because to do so may deter other doctors from engaging in debate. Counsel further submitted that Dr Ellis' "sin" was to publish his views via the "wrong" medium - where debate and discussion can be intemperate - and that, on reflection, Dr Ellis readily admitted that.
112 We do not accept those submissions. Doctors are free to make contributions towards the advancement of medicine. Ordinarily, they do so through appropriate discourse within the professional community. In this context, there is an obvious difference between publication via social media and, say, publication in medical journals. But there is a broader point. Dissemination of material by a registered medical practitioner to the general public that is disparaging, denigrating and demeaning, or that otherwise has the capacity to cause harm to the community in the ways we have identified, is expression of a different kind altogether. To take lawful, appropriate measures against the kind of expression that Dr Ellis has engaged in cannot reasonably be claimed to deter doctors from making contributions towards the advancement of medicine. The Code and Social Media Guidelines make clear where the lines are drawn.
Constitutional right to implied freedom of communication
That is because individual judgment, whether that of the elector, the representative or the candidate, on so many issues turns upon free public discussion ... of the views of all interested persons, groups and bodies and on public participation in, and access to, that discussion. In truth, in a representative democracy, public participation in political discussion is a central element of the political process.
The constitutionally prescribed system of representative and responsible government is characterised by the tolerance of dissenting minority opinion.
Kirby J said in 2004:65
From its earliest history, Australian politics has regularly included insult and emotion, calumny and invective, in its armoury of persuasion. They are part and parcel of the struggle of ideas. ... It does not protect only the whispered civilities of intellectual discourse.
''First, does the law effectively burden freedom of communication about government or political matters either in its terms, operation or effect? (268) Secondly, if the law effectively burdens that freedom, is the law reasonably appropriate and adapted to serve a legitimate end the fulfilment of which is compatible with the maintenance of the constitutionally prescribed system of representative and responsible government and the procedure prescribed by s 128 for submitting a proposed amendment of the Constitution to the informed decision of the people (269).''
If the first is answered ''Yes'', and the second ''No'', the law is invalid. We agree, for the reasons given by McHugh J, that in the above statement of the second question the phrase ''the fulfilment of'' should be replaced by ''in a manner''. We would reject the submission by two of the intervening Attorneys-General (for the Commonwealth and New South Wales) that the force of the second question should be weakened by requiring only that the law in question be ''reasonably capable of being seen as appropriate and adapted''.
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(a) the definition of 'professional misconduct' includes at sub-s (c):
conduct of the practitioner, whether occurring in connection with the practice of the health practitioner's profession or not, that is inconsistent with the practitioner being a fit and proper person to hold registration in the profession.
(b) the definition of 'unprofessional conduct' is:
professional conduct that is of a lesser standard than that which might reasonably be expected of the health practitioner by the public or the practitioner's professional peers, and includes-
(c) the conviction of the practitioner for an offence under another Act, the nature of which may affect the practitioner's suitability to continue to practise the profession;
(a) Dr Fidge published the Facebook Post;
(b) the Facebook Post was published in his own name;
(c) Dr Fidge said at hearing that he published the Facebook Post to seek to engage with people who were vaccine hesitant, the Tribunal accepted that this was the his motivation in publishing the post, and that he did so in his capacity as a medical practitioner;
(d) the Facebook page (on which the Facebook Post was published) identified the applicant as a medical practitioner - since it stated that he was 'Practice Principal [omitted] General Medical Centre'; and
(e) Dr Fidge published a subsequent Facebook post which drew on and referred to his expertise as a medical practitioner.
(a) freedom of thought, conscience, religion and belief (s 14); > > (b) freedom to hold an opinion (s 15); > > (c) freedom of expression (s 15); > > (d) freedom of association (s 16(2)); > > (e) freedom to take part in public life (s 18); and > > (f) freedom to practice and declare one's religion (s 19).
(a) understanding in general terms which of Dr Kok's rights affected by the decision may be relevant and whether, and if so how, those rights will be interfered with by the decision; > > (b) seriously turning its mind to the possible impact of the decision on Dr Kok's human rights and the implications for him; > > (c) identifying the countervailing interests or obligations; and > > (d) balancing competing private and public interests as part of the exercise of justification.
(a) It has never sought to justify its approach in terms of the Charter infractions. It is entirely mute. > > (b) Each post engages the rights asserts asserted. > > (c) The Board's case is that no doctor should write such things - but why? Because the Board says so? Because the impacts are bad? There is no evidence adduced by the Board which advances prejudice to the public. The Board just asserts it. > > (d) The Board's case is wholly deficient in this respect and leaves the tribunal to guess and form ad hoc, intuitive responses. This is insufficient. Indeed it is a denial of procedural fairness.
(a) consider each of the eighty-four posts individually. On a fair reading, the majority of the posts fall short of the allegation made and should not have been pursued, and involve a forced reading by the Board;
(b) consider the proximity of posts to clinical practice. Many posts express religious, cultural and political beliefs with little or no proximity to clinical practice;
(c) consider the relevant public dimension of posts. For instance, posts on obscure theological websites which the Board only unearthed through employing laborious and expensive professional services to retrieve them do not have a significant public dimension. Such posts should not be given significant weight;
(d) take into account Dr Kok's rights under Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 (Vic) (Charter) and his implied freedom of political communication under the Constitution. Many posts are legitimate and protected personal expressions of religious belief and commentary on public policy;
(e) only consider potential harms that are reasonably foreseeable and not unduly hypothetical or overstated. The Board's contention that Dr Kok's posts would affect public confidence in the medical profession or that vulnerable patients might avoid accessing medical services is overreach.
Allegation 1(i)(A) and particular (v)(A)(I) - Abortion Issues
(1) equating abortion with murder;
(2) referring to abortion as the "massacres of babies" and "baby killing"; and
(3) referring to medical practitioners who provide abortion treatment as "butchers".
(c) Phrasing my discussion of "serial contract-killers" in such a way that the reader could readily apply to doctors engaged in abortions by implication;
(d) Referring to the Royal Women's Hospital as "Melbourne's premier publicly-funded, baby killing facility";
(e) Referring to a doctor who performed late term abortions as a "butcher".
Dr Kok expressed his views and beliefs about abortion, to which he is deeply opposed. His desire to influence others and promote change is clear at [84]-[88] of his statement (TB938) - he desires to call attention to the scale on which abortion occurs, to push against what he sees as dehumanising euphemistic language, and to campaign for change in the law so that abortion is once again illegal; he said to tribunal that he considers it appropriate for a medical practitioner to "engage in political activism against abortion". The Victorian legal framework for abortion expressly contemplates medical practitioners holding a conscientious objection, and the code of conduct makes broader reference to a medical practitioner holding moral or religious views and being free to decline to personally provide medical services. Dr Kok also spoke about the development of COVID-19 vaccines using foetal cell lines, which he and many others see as a moral problem; this is a legitimate area of discussion and Dr Kok's comments were factually accurate. The Board wrongfully seeks to stop Dr Kok from expressing these opinions.
This was a YouTube video of a black American man approaching a crowd of BLM activists and challenging them about the disproportionate abortion rates of black babies, and asking the activists if the lives of those babies matter. The context is racial politics in the USA and the BLM political movement.
Proposition 1: People can be guilty for allegedly racist actions of their ancestors more than a century ago.
Proposition 2: We can receive a drug which was made using the body parts of a slaughtered human being 50 years ago, safe in the knowledge that we are in no way complicit in the evil. I'm not quite sure how these 2 propositions hang together.
Just a few comments on the medical side of things.
Firstly, it is true that hormonal contraceptives (eg. the pill) potentially have health effects. There are some women who should not be prescribed the pill because the health risks are too great-eg. somebody over the age of 40 who has high blood pressure, or who smokes, or where there is a strong family history of breast cancer.
However, all responsible doctors will take potential risks into account and will discuss risks and side effects with their patients before prescribing. The "contraception industry" is not quite the same as the abortion industry, because pharmaceutical companies cannot sell their product direct to the public-family doctors and general practitioners act as gatekeepers.
It should also be noted that for the majority of women, hormonal contraception is safe if used according to directions and under supervision of a doctor.
Secondly, we do need to be very careful to avoid methods of contraception which are actually abortion - and this *is* an area where the health industry often withholds information. Abortifacient methods of contraception include the "morning after pill" and (probably) the copper IUD. The standard contraceptive pills, hormonal implants, hormonal IUDs, barrier methods and surgical contraception (eg. vasectomy) work by methods other than abortion, so are ethically acceptable for Christians who believe that use of contraception is permitted by the Bible.
Allegation 1(i)(B) and particular (v)(A)(II) - Transgender issues
Dr Kok expressed his views and beliefs about gender identity. This is a highly contested area of medicine and social policy and on which there is no clinical consensus. At [104]-[114] of his statement (TB942) Dr Kok explained that he felt compelled to speak against medical practices that he considers are dangerous and deployed to a false end (the changing of one's sex). For people on opposing sides of the discussion many matters seem obvious to the point of disbelief in a different view, and statements can seem unreasonable. A useful example was Professor Zajac's evidence about a person who approached a medical professional desiring to acquire the physical sex characteristics of a man: "the woman is a man". Some of his posts under this topic are specifically about the Victorian prohibition of "conversion practices" (posts 14, 31, 32, 33, 34), a legislative change Dr Kok was and is opposed to (posts 33 and 34 are also relevant to the previous topic of sexual orientation). The Board wrongfully seeks to stop Dr Kok from expressing these opinions.
Existing emergency measures banning the sale and supply of puberty-suppressing hormones will be made indefinite, following official advice from medical experts.
Gender dysphoria refers to the distress that may accompany the incongruence between one's experienced or expressed gender and one's assigned gender. Although not all individuals will experience distress as a result of such incongruence, many are distressed if the desired physical interventions by means of hormones and/or surgery are not available. The current term is more descriptive than the previous DSM-4 term of gender identity disorder and focuses on dysphoria as the clinical problem, not identity per se.
The first half of this meme presents undisputed biological facts. The meme does not make mention of doctors or medical procedures, and I did not see it as a comment on medical procedures. I understand the "widespread mandating" to refer to social and legal impositions in relation to pronouns, female changerooms, female sport, education of children, and so on. This is not a comment on my healthcare practitioner colleagues or their clinical practice.
I was raising awareness among my friends about the proposed Victorian bill and protesting against the criminalisation of "conversion therapy", which was being debated in parliament in late 2020/early 2021. It was not a comment on my medical colleagues, nor would it have brought harm to medical patients.
I shared and referenced an article reviewing Abigail Shrier's book. The phenomenon of "contagion" is discussed in the review.
The patients are essentially placed in the driver's seat, prescribing their own treatments. The doctor's role is simply to affirm and enable patients' access to the medicine chest and surgical procedures of their choosing.
I accept that my use of the word "butchery" was unnecessarily inflammatory, and discourteous to colleagues and other practitioners. In the shared article, the author Dr Monique Robles describes transgender surgery as "mutilation of genitals"; it would have been more appropriate for me to have quoted her terminology.
I accept it was not appropriate to label hospital workers as "crooks". My comment was intended to draw attention to the analogy between female genital mutilation gender [and] transition surgery.
To protect children from sickoes, my Parental Rights Bill outlaws Gender Fluidity teaching, defined as "a belief there is a difference between biological sex and human gender and that human gender is socially constructed rather than being equivalent to a person's biological sex.
I shared this tweet by New South Wales MP, Mark Latham, sharing a post by Senator Malcolm Roberts with no additional comment. They are referring to Latham's "Parental Rights Bill" in NSW, from mid-2020. Latham's bill was concerned entirely with education in schools. It was unrelated to medical practitioners and medical practice.
Allegation 1(ii)(A) and particular (v)(B)(I) - race and religion issues
I am ethnically Chinese and all of my friends and acquaintances know this. When I use the term "ching chong", this is done in a light-hearted and larrikin way. It is akin to Greek people referring to themselves light-heartedly as "wogs". Those who know me well will know that I have done this since university days. Because of my own cultural context I do not believe the comment was culturally insensitive or inappropriate.
s7(2) of the Charter and that none of Dr Kok's Charter rights described above affect this finding.
In this post, I was mocking the ideology of "cultural appropriation" which is part of critical race theory. I am Chinese and I reject the idea that a Chinese dress must not be worn by a white woman.
s7(2) of the Charter and that none of Dr Kok's Charter rights described above affect this finding.
Over the last 6 or so hours you could just feel the collective, fervent prayer of "progressives" across our nation: "Please don't be a muslim. Please be a white guy. Please...."
Now they'll just say it's everyone else fault for all being racist, bigots & Nazis.
I'm so sick of that accusation. I'm ordering some Zyklon B from Amazon, building some showers in the backyard and inviting the inferior races over for a wash. What are they gonna do? Call me a double Nazi?
This conversation took place following the December 2017 terrorism incident in Melbourne. My friend [LC] expressed frustration that in the wake of a terrorist attack, public and media commentary will shift to "racism", and specifically, anybody who expresses concern about religious inspired terrorism will be labelled a "Nazi". My brief, cryptic comment "illridewithyou" was a response to [LC], endorsing her remarks. It was not a response to [JR]'s intervening comment (which contains deliberate absurdities) and I cannot see how it could be seen as a meaningful response to [JR].
Illridewithyou was a hashtag based on a story about supposed racist backlash which propagated in the media after the Martin Place terrorist incident in 2014; this was covered by Chris Kenny in an article entitled "Hashtag for an imaginary backlash" published in The Australian on 16 December 2014. The reference affirmed [LC]' frustration about much public discourse around terrorism. The allegation that I was advancing violent sentiments in a single-word comment is outrageous, and I believe it can only have arisen from an extremely prejudiced reading of the conversation.
It's time that those primitive yellow people and black people progressed. If they won't do it by themselves, we ought to colonise them, that we might educate them in equality, social justice and human rights.
The context of my post was the Obergefell decision in America (the legalisation of same-sex marriage) on 26 June 2015. My post featured a map from Wikipedia, showing which countries had legalised same-sex marriage.
The political left had been loudly celebrating Obergefell as a victory for "equality" and "human rights" for the past week. However, the map shows that acceptance of same-sex marriage is confined almost exclusively to Western cultures.
My comment was derisive of the idea that Obergefell was a mark of universal moral progress, and critical of the implicit racism in thinking this. My argument was that this is an equivalent attitude to that of European colonialists who believed they had a duty to teach their superior values to the savages of Asia and Africa.
At the time I wrote the comment, I was very much conscious of the fact that I myself am a "yellow person" with a cultural background that generally regards same-sex marriage with disapproval. When understood in the context of my own cultural background this comment was not culturally unaware or insensitive.
Most people in the 'Mercy Campaign' and Amnesty International are much more polite about it, but in essence, they're being equally racist and bigoted as this guy. To put in Orwellian terms, All Cultures are Equal, but Some Cultures are more Equal than Others.
The context of this post was the execution of the Bali 9 drug smugglers in Indonesia.
I am Asian and my parents come from countries in Asia which execute drug smugglers.
I believe that Australians who condemned Indonesia for its strict laws were exhibiting western cultural supremacy, which is a type of racism. It is a patronising attitude of "we know better", "we are more civilised than them", to which I object. I do not believe this comment was culturally insensitive when understood in my own cultural context.
Christianity is truly a Religion of Peace, unlike another prominent world religion beginning with "I" and ending with "m".
How is this possible? We are peaceful people because our God has said, "Leave all the violence to ME."
The context was the December 2014 Martin Place terrorist attack in Sydney, where two people were killed by an Islamist terrorist. This post was not intended to put down adherents of Islam but to compare Islam and Christianity's teachings with respect to violence. included a screenshot of a text from the Bible.
People tend to get all upset when rape victims are blamed for being raped. So why are large sections of our commentariat intent on painting Islam as the victim of the West when it is the West which is under violent attack from Islam?
The context of this post was the same as for post 26 (December 2014). If I were writing an essay or article rather than a short Facebook post, I may have added suitable caveats like "not all Muslims are violent".
Soon, our civilisations will be vanquished, and the Earth will be overrun by Black people. The solution is clear: we must take "family planning" to poor countries and exterminate them before it is too late!
This was a comment on a blog article by Bill Muehlenberg, titled "When Aid Money Means Killing Money". Mr Muehlenberg's article is about the financing of abortions (referred to by the euphemism of "family planning") in poor nations by Western countries, including Australia. He equates this with a Western sponsored genocide of poor and dark-skinned people - a characterisation that I believe is accurate.
The second paragraph of my comment was self-evidently a bitter, Juvenalian endorsement of Mr Muehlenberg's position. Read in context, it should be clear that it is a forceful condemnation of the genocide or extermination of certain people groups by means of abortions. I was most definitely not advocating genocide, and I am appalled at how my words were removed from their context and interpreted in this way. I have been accused of advocating the very thing that I was condemning.
This comment predates the Codes and Policy
...I agree with you that Islamism is the primary problem ... There are only two practical ways to put a stop to expansionist Islamism: either you must deny any adherent of the Muslim religion from entering the country as immigrants, or you demand that they reject their former culture and integrate with the culture of our country. The first solution is politically unacceptable.
It is part of a discussion about the presence of extremist and violent Islam in the West. Specifically, we were discussing a speech given by David Cameron (former UK Prime Minister), where he asserted the need for Muslims to reject extremism if they want to live in the UK.
Allegation 1(iii)(A) and Particular (v)(C)(I) and broadly relevant to Allegation 1 (iii)(B) and Particular (v)(C)(II) - LGBTQI+ persons and community
Dr Kok expressed his views and beliefs about religious and social matters arising from his belief that homosexual conduct is sinful. The relationship between the religious concept of sin and homosexual conduct is a matter of legitimate discussion, even though it is a topic on which a variety of views are held and some would find the discussion uncomfortable or offensive. The Board wrongfully seeks to stop Dr Kok from expressing these opinions.
Tried to talk me mate outta havin his willy copped off
This might seem funny, but it'll be reality when the Victorian government's "conversion and suppression practices" law gets through.
Uh oh, they'll deregister you a second time for this "hate speech" infraction
... if they want to support this insane ideological nonsense, that is their prerogative!
The topic is Victoria's "change or suppression" law (now passed and enacted), which threatens up to 10 years' jail for helping somebody avoid a path of bodily transformation that will in some cases end in permanently disfiguring surgery. (Penis amputation in the case of "male to female" surgery, as implied by the post.) As with many of these following comments, it was directed at the political situation and not towards any individual or group of people in the community.
Repost of article entitled "An Open Letter to the Hon Daniel Andrews, Premier of Victoria". Dr Kok's caption states "Attention Victorian parents.
One part of the diabolical "conversion or suppression" bill that has received comparatively less attention: parents who try to STOP their child being sent away for bodily disfigurement will be charged with domestic violence.
Yes, you read that right. Standing in the way of permanent bodily injury = violence.
I signed and shared the ACL's online petition about the bill before the Victorian parliament.
I can't think of many things more cruel than denying help to people suffering from unwanted passions, sexual brokenness, or a confused sense of self. Making it impossible for them to enlist the support of a pastor or other trained professional as they seek after wholeness of being, and righteousness of conduct.
What a disastrous irony that so-called "progressive liberals" would trample on peoples' right to self-determination.
This article (from The Spectator Australia) and accompanying comment were also related to the bill in the Victorian parliament.
"There is a whole section which gives the Human Rights Commission power to investigate people and organisations. It sets up the whole expectation that they're going to be monitoring groups (primarily churches, since there's nobody else in the community that's even mentioned) for conversion or suppression practices.
That whole infrastructure is I think going to now going to be targeted at religious groups now- and it doesn't even require a complaint by a person who has been a subject or target of these practices.
Anyone can just complain to the commission and then they can go ahead and request further information about persons or organisations purported to be engaged in change and suppression practices."
I shared this article from The Gospel Coalition Australia in the context of the conversion therapy bill before parliament. The quoted text was authored by Associate Professor of Law, Neil Foster.
The same can be said about age, of course. Or really anything. Our sex is one of the most biologically concrete things about us. They could dig up your bones 100 years from now and tell what sex you were. If that is now "fluid" than literally everything else is.
This was a tweet by Matt Walsh, who is a political commentator with the Daily Wire.
One thing I'll say is that the current requirement that people have "gender transition surgery" is just stupid and unscientific as what is proposed, because surgeons (despite being God and all) cannot change your sex. A man who has the surgery doesn't become a woman, he becomes a surgically mutilated man.
This post was about a law passed in Victoria allowing people to declare a new birth sex without first undergoing surgery. I object to people being able to change their birth sex irrespective of whether they have undergone medical transition, because I regard such a change as legal fiction.
They should NOT be referred to a 'gender dysphoria clinic' where they will be given puberty blockers, hormones, surgery, etc
The original article which prompted this conversation was written by a surgeon and doctor who is now the CEO of the International Christian Medical and Dental Association.
A transsexual is a person who seeks to leave behind the physical aspects of their birth sex and become embodied as a member of the opposite sex. The transsexual pursuit involves a number of "treatments" (eg. hormones, surgery, speech therapy) in an effort to modify the body, so that a man can come to physically resemble a woman or vice versa. Importantly, the "transsexual experience" (if we can call it that) typically assumes the binary nature of sex (male and female) to which the Bible and biology testify.
Transgenderism on the other hand is a much broader category that includes any person who does not "identify with" their gender - that is, the cultural expectations and roles associated with their sex. Besides transsexuals, transgenderism also encompasses many other kinds of gender non-conformist behaviours and lifestyles: cross-dressing, identification with both genders or neither, "being queer", and so on. Many of Facebook's (in)famous 50 gender options would fit in the transgender basket.
I have pressed this distinction [between transsexuals and transgenderism] because while I acknowledge that many or even most transsexuals suffer from the disordered but overwhelming and deep-seated belief that they truly belong to the opposite sex and are trapped in the wrong body, my impression is that this is not the case for the bulk of those in the wider transgender movement. It seems to me that for a great many who are transgender (but not transsexual), their identities and lifestyles are determined by voluntary choices and cultural winds (such as those which prevail on liberal western university campuses) to a significantly greater extent than by irresistible, internal impulses.
'Sex reassignment therapy' is a sophisticated and cruel myth.
If we call Jenner a "woman" - even after he has availed himself of the very best plastic surgery that money can buy - we are proclaiming untruth to him. We are sustaining him in a pathological, delusional belief. Doctors would never countenance affirming a depressed, anorexic teenager's belief that she is, in fact, fat, ugly and worthless. We would never agree with an OCD sufferer that she is surrounded by deadly germs, or with a paranoid patient that he is being monitored by spies.
Instead, when somebody has incorrect beliefs about the world or themselves, our duty as professionals, care-givers and friends is to gently but firmly challenge those beliefs so that the patient might heal. To take any other course is unkind, and unchristian.
Eternity News is a Christian magazine and news service which is available online and in hard copy. It is distributed from churches in Australia. I wrote this article, at the invitation of former editor John Sandeman, in response to another they had previously published on transgenderism. I wrote from a Christian moral and social perspective, and expressed uncontroversial biological facts regarding the immutability of sex and chromosomes. In the context of this discussion the article did not affect the cultural safety of my medical practice.
We learn about the staggering promiscuity, the propensity to injecting drug use, and all manner of lewd, unhygienic and unsafe sexual practices (handballing, golden showers and the like) which, put together, explain the high risk of physical disease in the gay community.
The original blog article by Mr Muehlenberg concerns the persecution of Australian medical practitioners Drs Lachlan Dunjey and Kuruvilla George, for their 2012 submission to Parliament which referenced the health risks associated with homosexuality.
Part of the discussion under the blog article concerned the topic of these health risks, and my comment addressed this topic with direct reference to Mr Muehlenberg's then recently published book, Strained Relations (2011). The things that I described in the second paragraph of my comment, pertaining to drug use, urophilia, etc., were cited directly from the contents of Strained Relations; these contents are in turn supported by numerous citations provided by the author.
I accept that describing explicit sexual practices in this fashion could be seen as confronting, and that my words convey a negative moral assessment of these practices. However, I believe that my language would have been inoffensive to the adult, morally conservative audience of Mr Muehlenberg's blog, and what I described was consistent with the facts as I understood them. The clinical guidelines that I had been trained to follow as a doctor clearly conveyed that homosexual and bisexual men have a considerably higher risk of contracting a range of sexually-transmitted diseases (including HIV) compared to heterosexual men, and I therefore regarded this as an uncontroversial fact.
Mr Muehlenberg agreed to let me revise the comment in 2019, to remove some of the sexually graphic and potentially confronting language.
Here I shared an early article by US political commentator Matt Walsh, who now writes for the Daily Wire news service. I thought that Walsh raised reasonable and accurate points in the piece. The article's title is provocative but in sharing any article I am not necessarily endorsing its title, or every single word in it. I agree with Walsh that it is factually incorrect to describe Jenner as a "woman".
I do sincerely think, though, that disordered sexuality is the sort of brokenness that runs very deep (personally I believe it should be classified among mental disorders, as it used to be), and sometimes a human lifetime is simply not long enough to undo the damage. ...
My comments here were part of a discussion amongst Christians where we explored the topic of sin and sexuality from a theological perspective. The views I expressed are consistent with mainstream Christian belief. I used the term "therapy", referring to counselling based approaches, at a time before there were any moves to legislate against conversion therapy and years before professional bodies in Australia published an official stance on the matter. I went out of my way to state my view that seeking "therapy" is a matter of personal choice rather than a matter of obligation. These comments were in the context of a discussion of religious beliefs and not related to my medical practice or any of my medical colleagues, and did not contribute to a culturally unsafe practice.
If, on the other hand, he/she wishes to overcome his or her homosexual orientation in order to marry someone of the opposite sex, he/she may choose to have therapy. I believe that therapy can be successful, but I would hesitate to say that it will always be successful. We live in a fallen world, and so I believe that some disordered conditions cannot be fixed before Jesus returns.
Homosexual orientation (involuntary attraction to the same sex) is a disorder, but is not a sin in and of itself. Homosexual orientation may be addressed with therapy.
The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the post was denigrating, demeaning, disrespectful and derogatory to LGBTQI+ persons, as it states that homosexual orientation is a disorder that may be addressed with therapy. The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the post supports Allegation 1(iii)(A) and particular (v)(C)(I). The Tribunal has considered the possible impact of the decision on Dr Kok's human rights and has balanced the competing private and public rights and whether the impact on his rights is appropriate. The Tribunal is satisfied that any limitation on Dr Kok's Charter rights is lawful, reasonably and justified in accordance with s7(2) of the Charter and that none of Dr Kok's Charter rights described above affect this finding.
Allegation 1(iii)(B) and Particular (v)(C)(II) - the LGBTQI+ community
To protect children from sickoes, my Parental Rights Bill outlaws Gender Fluidity teaching, defined as "a belief there is a difference between biological sex and human gender and that human gender is socially constructed rather than being equivalent to a person's biological sex.
I shared this tweet by New South Wales MP, Mark Latham, sharing a post by Senator Malcolm Roberts with no additional comment. They are referring to Latham's "Parental Rights Bill" in NSW, from mid-2020. Latham's bill was concerned entirely with education in schools. It was unrelated to medical practitioners and medical practice.
Another news article said it has jumped from inner city homosexual men (where the epidemic started about 5 years ago) to outer suburban heterosexual women.
I shared this as an interesting news item. Syphilis is a disease that had been mostly eradicated from urban locations so it was peculiar that it had come back.
I was not seeking to make any kind of political point.
In sharing the article I was not criticising any particular sexual preference, as my comment shows. The outbreak was affecting heterosexuals and homosexuals. The epidemiology of the outbreak was a matter of reported fact, not conjecture or opinion.
I shared Lyle Shelton's blog post about Mark Latham MP's "Parental Rights Bill". Mr Shelton is a well-known Christian political lobbyist and commentator.
Latham's bill was designed to prevent activist teachers from inculcating children with gender fluid ideology in a school setting, which is what "they are coming for your children" refers to.
""Amen, Awomen, Anonbinary, Agenderqueer, Atwo-spirit, Apolygender... this could take a while," Rep. Cleaver said. "If anyone needs to go out and get some refreshments, feel free." "Adragonspirited, Abuildings, Atater-tots," he continued, "Aagender, Agenderfluid, Adubstepkin, Agenderneutral, Atransmasculine, Atransfeminine, Awolfkind, Ademiboy, Astonebutch, Asquirrel, Amotoroil, Aqueenbae, Ababyyoda. Amermaidqueenking, Acaptainmarvel, Ahufflepuff." "Excuse me," he said, taking a drink of water. "Abenedryl, Aabacus, Atranspolyqueergreyacepokemon...".
This was shared from the Babylon Bee. The satirical article was making fun of the US politician, Emanuel Cleaver, who ended a public prayer with "amen and awomen". In my post, the long list of "genders" is quoted verbatim from the article.
You want a healthy marriage culture: each child has a same-sex parent showing them the adult they should become & an opposite sex parent showing what to look for in a SO. Children observe healthy communication, conflict resolution and daily love & respect. Both cheap & effective.
... a political activist who is well-known in Christian circles, and who grew up in a same-sex household. She had previously appeared on the ABC's Q&A programme.
...Yet these are the same people telling us men can have babies, someone with a penis can be a woman and there are 73 different genders!!
I agreed with Mark Latham's contention that there is no scientific basis for men having babies and the existence of 73 genders.
This is a satirical article published by the Babylon Bee and would be understood as such. Neither the article nor the graphic depicts the execution of the word "LGBTQ+".
Men are from Mars and women are from Venus ... All the other genders you make up are from Uranus.
This is a humorous internet meme which exists in various forms and has circulated on social media for several years. I reject the existence of genders other than men and women, and believe that the purported multiplicity of genders lacks scientific credibility.
If two men are allowed to marry each other, and raise children (which they acquire through adoption or surrogacy) this is child abuse. ...
This discussion occurred on Mr Muehlenberg's blog in 2010. I was responding to another commenter by the name of Paul, who had used the word "abuse".
This was a political and Christian discussion under a blog post titled "On Legislating Morality". I expressed my view that it is harmful for a child to be intentionally deprived of one of (sic) both of their natural parents - a view which was informed by personal accounts and research that I had read.
I accept that the phrase "child abuse" has very negative connotations, and a better phrasing would be "abuse of the child's rights". It was not my intention to equate same-sex parenting with the physical or sexual abuse of children. The discussion occurred before the Code or Policy.
Allegation 1(iv)(A) and Particular (v)(D)(I)(1) - totalitarian issues
Milgram was especially motivated to explain the atrocities of Nazism, and what he discovered was that you don't need to be a monster to be a Nazi. You just need to be a human.
There was no reference made to COVID-19 in my post. It was intended as a general comment about how people can be manipulated to commit immoral acts by those in authority.
The huge, abusive pile on to Sam Frost (who I had not heard of before today) - along with the approaching 15 October deadline - is further demonstration that we are on a similar path to the most vile regimes in history (including the one in Western Europe in the 1930s), and those who continue to deny it either have their heads firmly in the sand, or worse still have become functionaries of the regime.
It's a she. An Australian actress. Posted on social media decrying "segregation" and so forth and calling for empathy.
Sam Frost is an Australian television actress who was subjected to mistreatment for defending peoples' right to choose. I was appalled when I heard about her experience.
With this and many of the other posts, I was not claiming that COVID-19 totalitarianism is identical to Nazism, the Soviet Union, and other regimes. I was saying that all forms of totalitarianism share the same basic ingredients: governments acquiring massive powers and trampling on fundamental human rights, the scapegoating of certain minorities, and the persecution of those who speak out against the regime and its human rights abuses, as happened to Ms Frost. Understood in context these comments were not denigrating or demeaning or making any comment on individuals who followed public health orders.
People used to get colds and flu and the occasional respiratory virus and they would beat it with chicken soup and rest, not with worldwide Communism.
My wife found this meme and we both thought it was extremely funny so I shared it. I considered it relevant, having witnessed firsthand the extreme powers wielded by our government.
As with post 55, I considered this a funny and apt meme.
How did the Germans in the 1930s - even the German church - let it happen? is no longer a bewildering question.
This comment was about the creation of a two-tier society, even in the church, with some people considered and treated as inferior to others.
The intent of this and other posts referencing 1930s Germany was not to equate our experience with genocide, which took place in the 1940s. It was to highlight the parallels with the earlier period of time when the government acquired immense power and began to divide society, depriving certain categories of people of their social and economic rights.
I considered this a thought provoking meme which starkly illustrated the cruel and unnecessary division of families at a border.
A trend I see if professing Christians decrying the insistence upon rights before "loving your neighbour." Take a look at any dictator-ruled country. Take a gander at the 20th century. Skim the Gulag Archipelago. And see what it looks like when people no longer insist upon rights.
Rights and basic libertied (sic) are a safeguard, not a luxury...If you are indifferent to the erosion of rights and liberties, you have taken the side of every tyrant, every dictorship (sic), every oppressive regime in history. The "neighbours" that you have chose to "love" are the world's despots and oppressors.
I thought this was an excellent political observation by political commentator Allie Stuckey. It came in the context of governments exercising authoritarian powers during the COVID pandemic, but its application is general. It is a general political comment and not related to medical practice.
This was a satire article from the Babylon Bee. I was impressed that the plight of Melbourne was receiving international attention.
Now the Taliban control Afghanistan they'll close the churches, pubs, and cinemas. They'll violently suppress live music and public protests. They'll even ban people from travelling from one town to anoth- wait, sorry, I'm getting confused. That's Australia.
I shared a humorous tweet by Mark Latham MP. I found it amusing, and entirely accurate.
If you've ever wondered whether you would have complied during 1930's Germany, now you know.
The issue I was raising was not compliance with rules per se. I personally complied with lockdown orders and did not tell other people that they should flout the rules.
My complaint was with uncritical, unprotesting and even enthusiastic compliance with the tyrannical rules and the breakdown of basic civility that we witnessed in 2020-21. During COVID lockdowns in Victoria, we transformed into a police state where thousands of people turned their friends and neighbours into the authorities. I found this kind of behaviour disgusting and it closely mirrors what happens in totalitarian regimes.
Well looks like we all owe Daniel Andrews an apology for calling him the biggest coronaN@zi in the world.
Brisbane has locked down and mandated masks INSIDE CARS because they have ONE CASE.
This was not an attack on ordinary members of the public but a comment on irrational and excessive actions of political leaders.
If you've ever wondered whether you would have complied during 1930's Germany, now you know.
Here is the number to report people for fishing or enjoying the outdoors. 1-800-IMA-NAZI.
This was a humorous meme and would have been received as such.
Allegation 1(iv)(A) and Particular (v)(D)(I)(2)
Attention Victorians: Stay in Your Caste
Victoria's Caste System Explained
Upper Caste::Dictators, the ALP, CHOs, Judges
Upper Middle Caste: Public Servants, Police, Authorised Workers
Middle CASTE: Cultists
Lowest Caste: Untouchables - Anti-Vaxxers
This was a meme shared by the media organisation Discernable. It focused on the way society was divided into multiple tiers during COVID, with some groups enjoying more privileges than others. For example, "essential" versus "non-essential" workers.
It could never happen here" - this seems to be the assumption of people who refuse to believe that our govenments (sic) would ever grab power for power's sake, or exploit a crisis to increase their control over and surveillance of our lives. They are confident that all of the harsh measures are being taken for good reasons, and good reasons only, and they won't be prolonged for a day longer than is absolutely necessary.
This wide-eyed, optimistic trust in our leaders is in spite of the fact that most of the world lived under one form of tyranny or another. We often suspect it is racism which ultimately lies behind this: Africa, Asia, the middle-east and Latin America are full of cruel dictatorships because, well, what would you expect of those dark people? But white westerners - they are GOOD people! Democracy is in their DNA! White leaders have never done oppressive, authoritarian, despotis things! Never! It's impossibel! (sic)
Pollyannalysis: Believing that established authorities are uncorrupted by group-think and moneyed interests, and that they're as rational and objective as their rhetoric about themselves claims. The opposite of conspiracy theorising. Both are grounded in particular psychologies.
I shared this post from Stephen Chavura, Senior Lecturer in History at Campion College, with additional commentary of my own. I saw during 2020-21 that "free democratic Western" countries are not immune from corruption and the embrace of totalitarianism.
The behaviour and psychology of Australia over the last 12 months is explained by the concept "sunk cost fallacy".
(I only learned this phrase a couple days ago, it's awesome to finally have the right words to describe a concept)
"Sunk cost fallacy" is where you invest heavily in something and then become unable to pull out of that investment because it has cost you everything; so you just keep going even when the investment has evidently failed. This fit my observation of the government's actions in 2020-21 as they clung to socially and economically destructive "COVID zero" policies.
Talking to someone
Smiling at someone
Giving someone a hug
They are now calling these things "wrong", and those who do them are "bad people".
This is the sick reality they have created, and that they are forcing us to live in.
(And so many are meekly going along with it.)
When I made this comment, I had just read a news report about an incident in Sydney (in August 2021) where a group of young mothers were fined thousands of dollars for speaking with each other in a park.
I was commenting on how normal, sociable, human acts were now considered wrong or illegal and I found this deeply disturbing. By "going along with it meekly" I meant accepting the health orders uncritically, failing to protest against their inhumanity, and in some cases even celebrating their enforcement. I do not believe these comments undermined the effectiveness of the health system and so were not in breach of the Code.
This was intended as humour and would have been understood as such.
Babies are paying because adults spent a year cowering inside their homes.
I was commenting on a reported consequence of the harsh lockdowns. There was a small epidemic of RSV in several countries, which is a serious condition for babies. As the accompanying article explains, this happened because the lockdowns interfered with the normal development of immunity to viruses in young children.
This was intended as a humorous meme. It was also making a point about how politicians and media had manipulated the public into being far more fearful than necessary.
2020 will be remembered as the year when the facemask replaced the tinfoil-hat as a symbol of paranoid hysteria.
This was a semi-humorous comment on excessive fear, and the resort to dramatic yet futile measures to fend off a perceived threat.
Proposition 1: People can be guilty for allegedly racist actions of their ancestors more than a century ago.
Proposition 2: We can receive a drug which was made using the body parts of a slaughtered human being 50 years ago, safe in the knowledge that we are in no way complicit in the evil.
I'm not quite sure how these 2 propositions hang together.
Every Christian, and especially those who are called to be pastors and elders, must commit themselves to fight for liberty of conscience. A church which has little regard for conscience is a dead church.
This was an excellent article about conscience authored by four Australian pastors. It is not "anti vaccine"; it argues against coercion and compulsion. My comment was about political coercion and was not undermining the health system.
... The main argument they allow is a narrow exception for those concerned about the tissue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development. ...
... The issue around using aborted fetal tissue in the production of vaccines, for example, is a clear case of a non-disputable religious objection in the minds of many. Those who hold that specific objection do so based on their biblical understanding that offering any form of affirmation or support to products that benefited from the evil of abortion is something God would always condemn, regardless of any possible benefits.
In our context, we have a unique set of challenges. Broadly speaking, Christians are reasoning from two different sets of assumptions. The first, from the prevailing narrative, namely, that the vaccine is safe and effective, and therefore is beneficial for me and those around me; God is honoured in this act. The second, from a counter-narrative, the vaccine is a 'clinical trial' in a highly politicised public health environment and hence caution is necessitated. The vaccine may not be beneficial for me and those around me; God may not be honoured in this act. These two perspectives, under normal circumstances, would be able to coexist side-by-side, with individuals acting in accordance with their conscience, and receiving or abstaining from the vaccine as seems best to them before God. However, for many people, the state has removed the matter of conscience, mandating the vaccine through coerce means.
My impression is that there is a law of diminishing returns with the science/development of vaccines. All the easy, safe, effective ones were invented pre-2000. As time has gone on, it has gotten harder and harder, despite the huge amounts of money that pharma companies are able to throw at it. A few have been made between 2000 and 2020 at great cost, and with significantly lower benefit and/or significant higher adverse reactions. For example, the rotavirus vaccine, Gardasil, and the recent meningococcal B vaccine. The golden age of vaccine discovery is almost certainly over I would think.
There are several "holy grail" vaccines that they've thrown squillions of dollars at over decades with no success. For example, HIV, the common cold, RSV, CMV, malaria. The fact that we're not getting results with these may lead us to conclude that it just isn't possible. The diseases for which a safe and effective vaccine is possible are essentially the ones that we already have found vaccines for.
This diagram, which I created and shared, accurately reflects what I thought (and still think) about the issue of vaccines, both during the COVID pandemic and throughout my medical career. It is not "anti vaccine" because one of the circles states "thinks vaccines are generally good"; in other words I consider myself "pro vaccine".
What I oppose is the use of compulsion, bullying and segregation to coerce vaccination.
My follow-up comment was a statement of my general observation about the law of diminishing returns that applies in much of science and medicine. I believe it is entirely factual to say that drugs are generally becoming more difficult and costly to develop as time goes on. The comment was not intended to be an absolute statement to the effect that it is impossible to achieve any breakthroughs in the future, and I do not believe it would be taken that way.
p. Influenza - 1997 (numerous updated vaccines subsequently)
q. Varicella - 2001 (additional updated vaccines subsequently)
The Rubicon has been crossed in the UK. The Government has decided to vaccinate children
- against scientific advice
- not for reasons of health
- not to stop the spread of Covid in schools or society
For the first time in living memory, medication is going to be administered to children NOT for the health (sic) of individuals or populations, but for political and socioeconomic reasons - to maintain school attendance.
If you do not wake up at this point, you will never wake up - sweet dreams and see you in the morning.
Vaccinating children won't stop the spread of Covid in schools, but should help to keep cases down.
They made their recommendation after the JCVI - the scientific body advising the government on vaccines - said it did not recommend vaccinating healthy children on health grounds alone.
It is hoped the measure will help prevent further disruption to their education.
Vaccinating secondary-school-age children wouldn't stop the virus circulating in schools or in society more generally.
"Even if 100% of people in the UK were vaccinated - and their pets - the virus would still spread," Prof Hunter says.
This post was based on facts and quotations sourced from the BBC.
The UK Government decided to push forward with the vaccination of children in September 2021 despite contrary advice from their expert scientific body (JCVI).
I believed that this illustrated how vaccination had become an instrument for political rather than health outcomes, something which I strongly object to and regard as unethical and dangerous.
Most pro-church arguments have revolved around church as an "essential service", the need to minister to hurting souls, and similar.
I have seen very few say that, as in the book of Joel, the church must urgently convene to petition God to end the plague.
No, we all seem to have forgotten Who really runs the show and are relying on the pathetic human efforts to end the plague. Woe to us for our unbelief! We deserve this to continue another 2 years, until our proud civilisation is shattered.
The writers of this Declaration (which you can sign) have reminded us of the truth we have forgotten.
The Moses Declaration had nothing to do with vaccination. The declaration, authored by Australian pastors, was about the role of church as the gathered people of God, and the need for Christians to pray corporately for mercy in the face of plague (as in the book of Joel). As a Christian, I believe that God is sovereign and that he alone ordains what happens in the world. Therefore, an outbreak of disease will not come to an end unless God chooses to bring it to an end - which he might do in response to the prayers of his people. These comments were in the context of religious discussion and not undermining public health or condemning health practitioners and so did not breach the Code or the Policy.
A sound, well written refutation of the refutations of the Ezekiel Declaration.
I do not regret being one of the > 20,000 signers of the ED.
Source 2: MP Greg Hunt, "The world is engaged in the largest clinical trial, the largest global vaccination trial ever, and we will have enormous amounts of data."
Well, that's true enough statement. Trials for Pfizer end in 2023. As the ED goes on to say, it is a reason some people decline the vaccine. (They want to wait for more long-term data.)
For the serious step of excluding a segment of our population from many aspects of public life permanently, there has been zero justification in terms of quantifying the relative risk a small number of unvaccinated poses as compared to the risk from the vaccinated majority who also spread the virus. It could actually end up being very little.
The Ezekiel Declaration was not "anti vaccine". It opposed segregation in churches.
As Kurt explains so ably here, "my body my choice" is a good principle which protects people from being violated by other people. It is wrongly used as a pro-abortion argument, where the baby's body and the baby's choice are ignored.
... An individual's decision to be vaccinated against covid or to abstain from vaccination does not directly impact another person or their autonomy: ...
Yes there is a case to be made that not being vaccinated can have an indirect impact on others. It may slightly increase the risk of someone else catching the virus, or it could potentially help to overwhelm the hospital system, resulting in excess deaths.
...
In reality, there can be a host of good and godly reasons for someone to decline a vaccine - including past vaccine injury, the documented side effects of the available vaccines, and risk assessments that are based on an individual's health, age, and many other factors that are entirely unique to their circumstances.
I'm honestly blown away by how many people have signed this (excellent) declaration in such a short time. Especially considering that most of the "official Christian spokesman" have taken a generally compliant, kowtowing-to-government position on these matters.
I guess we could conclude tha (sic) the "official spokesmen" are quite out of touch with the views and concerns of the rank-and-file?
If you're a believer who is appalled at the idea of vax-passports being imposed on our corporate worship, make sure you sign!
(16 thousand so far, of which 2000 are clergy and other leaders).
Fourth, making the vaccination the basis of participating in normal life would make no logical sense in terms of protecting others. A "CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated," especially noting that four of those who were vaccinated were admitted to hospital. As we have said, ... As it is evident that vaccines do not prevent infection, to restrict a person's access to society based on a medical choice is questionable.
The issue addressed by the Ezekiel Declaration is not the vaccines, it is segregation of churches.
I want this vaccine.
(I believe Christian leaders were uncharitable to this woman in the rush to "preserve our image"; maybe instead of bagging her out we can all learn from her)
It doesn't protect me from COVID.
..
It protects me from the wrath of God against my sin.
...
The poem that I shared refers metaphorically to the blood of Christ as a "vaccine" that saves humans from sin and its penalty. It does not oppose the COVID-19 or other vaccinations or discourage people from taking them.
I've recently seen numerous comments like these:
"Am I the only one that every time somebody screams 'it's safe' and 'you have taken other vaccines'... thinks not 'So I should take this one' but 'Maybe it was a mistake to take some of the others'."
"the bullying, coercion, propaganda, logical fallacies, tyranny and hectoring have indeed served to make me 'vaccine hesitant' not only for the [covid] jab, but has indeed made me seriously question my previous acceptance and support for vaccines in general."
I recall seeing at least one person say they're going to stop getting their kids immunised with the standard vaccines
I predicted this several weeks ago, and so did others who understand human nature. The fever-pitch pro-rona-!vaxism is turning some people against all vaccines, even the ones which are tried and trusted. Like Ralph from the Simpsons people think they're "helping", but they're actually causing more problems in the longer run.
This post was very much "pro vaccine". My complaint was that the coercive heavy-handedness of government policy in 2021 was clearly turning people not just against COVID vaccines but against all vaccines. I considered this an unwelcome but predictable outcome.
There's a lot of concern around about deadly blood clots, but these mild side effects are far more common.
JUST BEEN JABBED
Here's what you need to know
Like all medicines, vaccines can cause side effects.
Symptoms to watch out for over the next few days are:
Would you play Russian Roulette with odds of 37/17million? Gun to your temple, 37/17 million probability it's loaded with a bullet. Pull the trigger?
(Btw, if the ABC propaganda machine says something, chances are the truth is nowhere close.)
...the point is that people should have the freedom to choose. I make a free choice to get into my car. Will everyone get a free choice (I.E. no coercion whatsoever) to have this experimental vaccine?
This was a humorous meme, nothing more. I anticipated it would amuse people irrespective of their views about COVID. A friend who commented on my post, for example, was very supportive of the government's pandemic response and she found my post funny.
It looks like the first vaccine to be given the green light in Australia is not one that was manufactured using body parts derived from aborted babies. This is good news. ...
...if there is an ethical alternative available why would you accept the unethical one?
This post was shared in January 2021, at the very beginning of the vaccine rollout. The Charlotte Lozier Institute, a pro-life organisation, documented whether or not each vaccine was ethically manufactured on its website.
I was not seeking to discourage vaccination. I shared this information to assist other Christians who shared my concerns about vaccines that had been developed unethically. I highlighted that two of the vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are acceptable choices for Christians who have ethical objections to abortion-derived medicines.
The AstraZeneca vaccine was developed using HEK293 cells, which derive from the kidneys of an aborted foetus.
These comments were related to a religious ethical discussion and not the healthcare system.
... expressing his views and beliefs about abortion by sharing information about a vaccine developed without using cell lines derived from abortion. Dr Kok said this was 'good news'. The suggestion that Dr Kok's comment was erroneous, as now submitted by the Board, was not put to Dr Kok in cross examination and the evidence of Dr Blyth referred to by the Board was elicited in re-examination. The reference to the 'body parts derived from aborted babies' is a reference to the use of foetal cell lines... .
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People who are concerned/angry about what Scomo said today will be labelled "anti-vaxxers" by the media. The truth is that there are many people who have no objection to the tried & proven vaccines (eg. Tetanus, measles) who will not want to be forced to have a brand new vaccine which has been produced in record time, where corner were cut in production & testing, where there is no long term safety data, and where politics rather than science is the main driving force behind widespread distribution.
I wrote this post in mid-2020, when Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared on Melbourne radio that he would seek to make vaccination as "mandatory" as possible. This was well before development of any of the vaccines had been successfully completed.
At the time I wrote this comment, I had already read news and science articles about how the vaccine development process had been accelerated and was not following an ordinary process (for example, human trials had begun before animal trials were complete).
... a brand new vaccine which has been produced in record time, where corners were cut in production & testing, where there is no long term safety data, and where politics rather than science is the main driving force behind widespread distribution.
The allegation in respect of Jereth Kok (Dr Kok) referred to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (Tribunal) by the Medical Board of Australia (Board) pursuant to section 193(1)(a) of the Health Practitioner Regulation National Law (National Law) is:
(a) professional misconduct within the meaning of the definition of professional misconduct in paragraph (a) and/or (b) and/or (c) of section 5 of the National Law;
(b) unprofessional conduct within the meaning of the definition of unprofessional conduct in section 5 of the National Law;
in that, between 20 May 2010 and 15 October 2021, Dr Kok posted and/or published content (including images, comments and/or 'reposts') on social media and internet forums, that:
(i) denigrated, demeaned and slurred medical practitioners who he disagrees with, for example, medical practitioners who:
(B) recognise and treat gender dysphoria in a manner that is accordance with accepted medical practise; and
(C) recognise that people who identify as transgender, are not suffering from a mental health condition;
(ii) expressed sentiments of violence and/or made derogatory statements:
(A) endorsing/calling for violence and/or genocide towards racial and religious groups; and
(B) endorsing calls for capital punishment fortowards members of the profession who provide abortion services;
(iii) expressed and encouraged views regarding LGBQTI+ persons thatthat denigrated, demeaned and/or were disrespectful of and/or derogatory to:
has no proper clinical basis and is contrary to accepted medical practise;
(iv) in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic response:
(A) denigrated, demeaned and/or slurred persons that accepted and/or considered it right to follow public health orders;
(B) drew on and/or legitimised antivaccination or vaccine hesitancy rhetoric and/or contained misleading information regarding vaccines;
(i) At all material times, Dr Kok was a registered medical practitioner;
(ii) on various occasions between on or about 20 May 2010 and on or about 15 October 2021, Dr Kok posted and/or published content (including images, comments and/or 'reposts' of other people's posts) on social media and/or internet forums, namely, Facebook and http://billmuehlenberg.com/ (Social Media Posts);
(iii) Dr Kok published the Social Media Posts under his own name and was identifiable as a medical practitioner online;
(iv) the Social Media Posts were accessible either publicly or to friends of his Facebook friends;
(v) the Social Media Posts the subject of Allegation 1 are particularised in Schedule A, and include posts:
(A) denigrating, demeaning and slurring medical practitioners who:
(I) provide abortion treatment to patients, including:
(2) referring to abortions as "massacres of babies" and "baby killing"; and
(3) referring to medical practitioners who provide abortion treatments as "butchers";
(II) recognise and treat gender dysphoria in a manner that is accordance with accepted medical practice, including referring to the treatment of gender dysphoria as "medical butchery", "genital mutilation" and "sterilising disfigurement to healthy young bodies";
(III) recognise that people who identify as transgender are not suffering from a mental health condition, including referring to such doctors as 'sickoes', and referring to the transgender 'ideology';
(B) expressing sentiments of violence and/or making derogatory statements towards by:
(I) racial or religious groups, including by endorsing/calling for violence and/or genocide towards racial and religious groups, including by calling for the colonisation of "primitive yellow people and black people", the extermination of black people, and replying supportively to a post which advocates "invit[ing] the inferior races over for a shower" in Zyklon B; and
(II) endorsing calls for capital punishment for members of the profession who provide abortion services, including by endorsing calls for capital punishment for such persons; and
(C) expressing and encouraging views regarding LGBQT+ persons that:
(I) have no proper clinical basis and are contrary to accepted medical practice, including:
transgender identity as "disorders" that may be "addressed with therapy";
(II) are otherwise demeaning, disrespectful or derogatory to LGBTQI+ persons including:
(1) suggesting the "the "gay community" is characterised by "staggering promiscuity, the propensity to injecting drug use and all manner of lewd, unhygienic and unsafe sexual practices";
(2) saying that "Men are from Mars and women are from Venus ... All other genders you make up are from Uranus"; and
(3) stating that there are 5,787 genders, including
(I) denigrating, demeaning and/or slurring persons that accepted and/or considered it right to follow public health orders, including by:
(1) likening them to followers of totalitarian regimes, including Nazi Germany, the Taliban, the Soviet Union, the German Democratic Republic (DDR) and the Democratic People's
(2) likening them to persons suffering from mental illness and describing them as brainwashed, cowering, meek, naïve, or cultists;
(II) drew on and/or legitimised antivaccination or vaccine hesitancy rhetoric and/or contained misleading information regarding vaccines, including;
(2) suggesting that God alone has the power to end the pandemic, or that the blood of Christ will protect from COVID-19;
(3) suggesting that safety of the COVID-19 vaccines is not proven and the testing and production testing was inadequate; and
(4) suggesting that vaccines were made of 'body parts' of aborted babies;
(vi) the conduct of Dr Kok set out at particulars (i) to (v) above is of a lesser standard than that which might reasonably be expected of Dr Kok by the public or by Dr Kok's professional peers and is inconsistent with:
(A) the Board's 'Good Medical Practice: A Code of Conduct for Doctors in Australia' (as in effect from March 2014 to September 2020 (2014 Code) and as in effect from October 2020 (2020 Code)), relevant extracts of which are detailed in Schedule B; and
(B) The Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency's 'National Board policy for registered health practitioners: Social Media Policy' (in effect from March 2014 to October 2019) (Social Media Policy),
and the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency's guide 'Social media: How to meet your obligations under the National Law' (in effect from November 2019 to present) (Social Media Guide),
relevant extracts of which are detailed in Schedule C.
[2] The Tribunal has de-identified some of the people named in the ANOA and consequentially in these reasons, including in extracts and quotes from other documents.
[3] 9th Ed, Lexis Nexis Butterworths, 2019 ('Pearce').
[6] Definition of professional misconduct in section 5 of the National Law.
[7] Medical Board of Australia v Kemp [2018] VSCA 168; (2018) 56 VR 51 ('Kemp') [166].
[10] Respondent's submissions at [53].
[24] An extract of the submission regarding this post is at [165] above.
[25] The further findings regarding this comment in isolation are at [339] to [342] below.
[158] Respondent's written outline of closing submissions at [106] of schedule 1.
[177] Respondent's outline of closing submissions at [113] of Schedule 1.
[186] Respondent's outline of closing submissions at [77]-[78].
Medical Board of Australia
Kok
Review and Regulation List - medical practitioner - factual findings - social media posts - whether posts denigrated, demeaned or slurred medical practitioners who provide abortion treatment, recognise and treat gender dysphoria and recognise that people who identify as transgender are not suffering from a mental health condition, whether posts express sentiments of violence and/or made derogatory statements towards racial and religious groups and/or towards members of the profession who provide abortion services, whether posts expressed views that denigrated, demeaned and/or were disrespectful of and/or derogatory to LGBTQI+ persons and/or community, whether comments denigrated, demeaned or slurred persons that accepted and/or considered it right to follow COVID-19 public health orders, whether in relation to COVID-19 the posts drew on and/or legitimised antivaccination or vaccine hesitancy rhetoric and/or contained misleading information regarding vaccines, characterisation of conduct - sections 5 and 196 of the Health Practitioner Regulation National Law (Victoria) Act 2009, Sections 4, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 38 and 40 of the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 (Vic), Briginshaw v Briginshaw (1938) CLR 336, Sabet v Medical Practitioners Board of Victoria [2008] VSC 346; (2008) 20 VR 414, Fidge v Medical Board of Australia [2024] VSC 471, Coleman v Power [2004] HCA 39; (2004) 220 CLR 1, Attorney General (SA) v Corporation of City of Adelaide (2013) 249 CLR 1.
(2008) 20 VR 414
(1981) 147 CLR 297
(2003) 214 CLR 269
(1994) 179 CLR 427
(2018) 56 VR 51
(2004) 220 CLR 1
(2013) 249 CLR 1
(1998) 194 CLR 355
(2007) 169 FCR 151
(2019) 267 CLR 373