Table 1: Evidence of Ms Guan - cross-examination
First day of cross-examination Third day of cross-examination
Q. What did Shuangfu want to do with the Kensington properties that it had bought one after the other? Q. I'm going to put a series of propositions to you in the way that I've just described. In 2013 and 2014 you wanted a developer to invest in the Kensington development. Do you agree with that or do you disagree with that?
A. INTERPRETER: Develop, develop and build, build - sorry, build houses, sorry, property developing, sorry. A. INTERPRETER: I wanted to sell that. My intention was to sell that.
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Q. And this was going to be a big development, wasn't it?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes.
Q. This was going to be mixed residential and commercial property, wasn't it?
A. INTERPRETER: Correct. Q. So you're saying that your intention in 2013 and 2014 was to sell the Kensington development? Is that what you're saying?
Q. You had been working on the project plan since 2013, hadn't you? A. INTERPRETER: Yeah. Yes, because I was too much in debt, owing a lot of money, I was under a lot of pressure and I wanted to sell that.
A. INTERPRETER: Yes, because I came as a business migrant and I need to do some project. Q. I suggest to you that in 2013 and 14 your intention was to develop the Kensington project. You accept that?
Q. But you'd been working on it since 2013, hadn't you? A. INTERPRETER: This is your belief, but that's not my belief.
A. INTERPRETER: Yes. Q. And that you wanted a developer to invest in the development of the Kensington properties because you didn't have the money to develop it fully. You accept that?
Q. At the time that the ninth lot was purchased, Shuangfu did not have the funds to pay for the development of the Kensington properties, did it? A. INTERPRETER: I disagree. I, I, I wanted to sell that. I have to sell that, because I owe money. And, and in fact I have already sold it. At the time when this, I signed this agreement with him, the piece of land, it had already been.
A. INTERPRETER: That's right. [Emphasis added.]
Q. So what you had done, so just to perhaps cover this bit off, in or around 2013, was that the time when you found the Kensington properties and determined that it was suitable for the development you wanted to do?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes.
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Q. The plan in 2013 and 14 was, I suggest to you, that when you had a developer invest in the development you would retain a share in the project going forward, do you agree with that or do you disagree with that?
A. INTERPRETER: I was relatively small and if I find a developer it will be out of proportion to restructure the company and I only have four or five pieces of land, how could I find - how could I in a position to find a developer?
Q. Was there a project to develop the Kensington properties? Q. The alternative plan in 2013 and 2014 was that if you could not retain a share you would obtain an option to buy back into the project isn't that right?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes. Yes. A. INTERPRETER: It's very hard to find a partner so just simply to sell it to make things easier.
Q. When you say it was difficult to find a partner, is that you saying that you did try to find a partner on those terms?
A. INTERPRETER: I thought about it but it was very difficult to do so the best way is to sell it.
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Q. Let me put it again so that it's clear to you. As part of the plan in 2013 and 2014 you wanted to get a developer in, keep a share in the business and then obtain fees for managing the development, isn't that right?
A. INTERPRETER: That's what you are in mind, not me.
Q. You, on behalf of Shuangfu, approached development companies and wanted them to invest in the project and you offered them a share of the returns when the project was successful. Isn't that right? Q. Do you agree or do you disagree Guan?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes. A. INTERPRETER: Disagree, that's what I was thinking.
Q. Then that was the business. What you wanted to do was develop, or have the Kensington properties developed, sold, so that you can get a return. Isn't that right? Q. That was what you were thinking or that wasn't what you were thinking?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes. A. INTERPRETER: No that wasn't because I - I thought this was not practical, that's just like wild imagination.
Q. Because you didn't have the money, you needed someone else's investment in order to not only purchase the property, but build it up and organise it for sale? Q. You had invested millions of dollars of your own funds into the development isn't that right?
A. INTERPRETER: Yes. A. INTERPRETER: Uh-huh.
[Emphasis added.] Q. The plan was in 2013 and 2014 to come to an arrangement with a developer so that you will get back some of your investments in the development isn't that right?
A. INTERPRETER: That - it has nothing to do with this. Nothing to do with this. I wanted to sell it. I have already sold it. I sold it in 2014.
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