Did you say there were any conversations on 7 December?---No. I had no recollection of ringing or talking to [Ms B].
No. Let's not talk about recollections. Are you denying that there were any conversations on 7 December?---I'm sure they didn't occur. I didn't talk to [Ms B]. I didn't have any need to talk to [Ms B].
You're sure they didn't occur?---Well, I'll be clear. My recollection is I did not talk to her after the 1st or the 3rd in there. So on that basis, I cannot recall any conversation on the 6th or the 7th about any subject matter. I just cannot recall it. It was done, it was finished.
You said two somewhat different things there, ..., and I need to get to the bottom ?---Sure. Yeah.
of what your evidence is?---Yeah.
Is your position that there were no phone conversations on 7 December with Ms [B] or is your evidence that you do not recall ?---No. My evidence is - and I do apologise for that, I was too quick - I cannot recall those conversations, in fairness, at all. ...
There you say you didn't have these conversations?---No. What that means is because we didn't have them to talk about specific - this deflection issue. Your pleading says there were two telephone conversations in which deflection of specific performance was discussed. They did not occur. Those conversations did not occur. There was never a conversation on the 7th about deflecting specific performance. You asked me about whether I had a conversation with her. I can't recall on other stuff - or I can't recall - but that's not what your pleading says and that's what that's addressed at.
So you might have had a conversation with her or conversations with her on 7 December?---I can't recall any conversation on those dates.
Therefore, you ?---But I definitely didn't have one about specific performance and deflection, and any of that stuff.
I'm just trying to assist the tribunal by getting some clarity on your evidence, ...?---Yep.
You cannot recall, but it's possible, that you had one or more conversations with Ms [B] on 7 December. Is that right?---Not on this content.
No. I haven't put the subject matter to you, .... We'll get to that?---Possible. Possible.
It's possible, but you can't recall?---No.
What you deny is that there was a conversation or conversations in the terms set out at paragraph 16 of the application?---Yeah. Absolutely. They never occurred. Yep.
And you appreciate, don't you, that allegation is quite an important one in terms of reflecting on your, if it's true, on your motivations at the time?---You're asking my opinion?
Yes. You understand ?---It seems to be an important part of your case.
Yes?---Yeah.
Because you would accept now that it wouldn't be appropriate to file a consent order to deflect or defeat a specific performance claim, do you?---Well, the language that's used imports some sort of malice or some sort of - and I would have thought, "No. It's completely wrong to do that sort of thing."
Completely wrong?---Well, the way you've pleaded it, yeah, the way you've sort of pleaded the sort of sinister or malicious sort of aspect to it.
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