LASHANSKY, MR: Sir, somebody has come along and they have removed the sovereign. I'm told that the sovereign has been removed but, sir, when you go and stand in the High Court and you argue and you listen in the High Court they still say, 'God save the Queen,' and the issue is the crown prosecutes, and on 6 November 1999, sir, the people of Australia unanimously said, 'We want our sovereign. Please keep our sovereign.'
Somebody has come along here through the back door in a Legal Practice Amendment Act and started changing judicial oath. I don't think that it's a matter that Mr Davies trivialises. You took an oath, sir, Mr McGinty has gone and changed that oath. You take an oath to the State of Western Australia that doesn't exist.
WHEELER JA: Mr Lashansky, I am having difficulty seeing what this has to do with the question of what we should do in relation to the report.
LASHANSKY, MR: Ma'am, I have to tell you, and that's the reason why one should never make insincere apologies. The sovereign, her Majesty, was asked to apologise in February 2005 for the bombing of Dresden and her Majesty turned around and she said, 'No.' She stood by the men of bomber command that had gone there and 58,000 of them had lost their lives, and she wouldn't apologise. She wouldn't make an apology, but the Dresden cathedral that was destroyed - her Majesty sent her own money to help in the reconstruction of it.
One turns around - I'll help. I'll help in the reconstruction like her Majesty did but, sir, I want justice and I won't apologise. I shouldn't do this and I really - I know exactly what I'm doing is - may be evidence of lack of contrition et cetera, but at the end of the day I'm upset that her Majesty has been removed. I'm upset that dieu et mon droit is not - prosecutions should still go ahead in the name of the crown, those that have gone ahead since Governor Macquarie arrived here. That's the way it is, sir, and if you want to go ahead and you want to make constitutional changes, by all means, but first go and - - -
EM HEENAN J: I think you mean Governor Phillip.
LASHANSKY, MR: I mean Governor Phillip, sir. I apologise, sir. I'm getting carried away, but that's the issue, sir. I see these things that happen and it upsets me, it really does, and I can't turn around and say to you it doesn't upset me, because it does, and if I have to say to you the biggest change that Mr McGinty brought in was he is now allowing people what I complained about Mr Novell - he is allowing people to go ahead during the course of an investigation and he has made it quite clear that the legal professional privilege is now capable of being abrogated. That's wrong, sir. Every time a client comes in to me now if I have to practise - - -
EM HEENAN J: Mr Lashansky, what has this got to do with the decision that we have to make in relation to these seven findings against you?
LASHANSKY, MR: Sir, at the end of the day you should always do like the great Henry Wallwork used to do - you temper your justice with mercy and you temper your mercy with justice, and at the end of the day Wallwork J was a champion at that and he did it. At the end of the day you can have a look, sir. I didn't get any financial gain - 394 and - there's no misappropriation.
EM HEENAN J: Is there any point in me asking you again, and for the final time, what you suggest we should do with you?
LASHANSKY, MR: Well, you should give me exactly the punishment Mr de Barran Cullen got, $8000 fine for I don't know how many thousands on his second offence, sir, maybe a thousand-dollar fine on the matters, sir. I believe that no more than a reprimand is warranted - a thousand dollars in the wrong account on a $7-million home. Mrs Tailor's loan - unfortunately IMF didn't exist and at that time I still believed the old law, but there's another problem with Mrs Tailor.
EM HEENAN J: Anyway, you have answered the question, you say a fine or a reprimand.
LASHANSKY, MR: Sir, at the end of the day, even a fine is - bearing in mind that I have lost seven years income, plus a couple of hundred thousand dollars which I'm still trying to recover in fees when my files got suspended, but there's another issue, sir. Mrs Tailor, was she actually a client of mine at the time this loan was made? Mr Wayne Martin QC was approached by the Ministry of Fair Trading and Mr Wayne Martin set up a regime because the two criminal trials still had to take place and the claim of Mrs Tailor was subrogated to the Ministry of Fair Trading.
So at the end of the day there's a dispute as to whether Mrs Tailor was actually a client but, more importantly, sir, under normal circumstances I probably would have sent Mrs Tailor immediately, in fact, I actually believed earlier in the piece, when I actually got the good news, that I told Mrs Tailor to take advice and that she repeated to Mrs Fussell and go and take it, but then this Wayne Martin confidentiality regime took place and Mrs Tailor was paid back.
She bought the house that she was living in in Maddington and sold it for double and she wouldn't have had nothing. When I found her she was sitting in one room in her mother's premises. Nobody wants to do anything, sir. I would say to you that I do a bit of community work et cetera but, sir, really and truly, I don't think I have got any hunger left in me for the law.
EM HEENAN J: The finding is that Mrs Tailor was a client of yours.
LASHANSKY, MR: Yes; but at the end of the day, should that have been admitted? Mrs Tailor's father went to the Ministry of Fair Trading - - -
EM HEENAN J: That's the finding.
LASHANSKY, MR: Yes, I know, sir, but the point of the matter is that those hearings didn't proceed the way they ought to have proceeded. There was a whole lot of material that I had been desperate to have - I would have loved to have put to Ms Gilchrist - and Ms Gilchrist's own letter of complaint, why wasn't that sent to me, sir? Why did I have to wait until Malcolm CJ gave an undertaking two and a half years later? Why wasn't it given to me when Ms Gilchrist complained?
The Legal Practice annual report always says that these complaints are given to practitioners unless there's a good reason. Why wasn't that complaint given to me? Maybe Mrs Howell could tell you. And the reason it wasn't given to me, sir, is a despicable reason. There was $241,000 in my trust account; had I known the identity of Ms Gilchrist - and this is actually sitting in the document - I would never have released Ms Gilchrist's money. I would have gone immediately, taxed up her account and then Ms Gilchrist wouldn't have got the money. That's plain and simple, if I had known that she had complained. Mrs Tailor's letter, sir, I have to come back to that.