Have you ever spoken to her about vagina oil?---No. I do know that that is a term that [the mother] has used in the past when [the complainant] had a bad case of thrush.
Well, that was never put. Do you know what I mean when I say put? That was never suggested to [the mother] that she had used that term before, was it?---No.
And [the mother] and [the father] gave evidence that, well [the father] certainly gave evidence that she had never used a term like that?---Well, to be bluntly, I think they're lying.
Did you tell your barrister that?---No.
Sorry? - Oh yes, I did, that I think they're lying. Yes.
And did you tell him before they gave evidence?---Yes.
Sorry. So when do you say you have heard the term vagina oil before?
---From [the mother].
In what context?---Um, we've - we, um, found out that, um, [the complainant] had a bad case of thrush.
Yes?---That she was constantly scratching down there.
Yes?---Um, I've asked, "what's wrong?" and she said that she had a bad case of thrush. Um, I was like, "Well, have you, um, medicated that?". And she's like, "Yes". And I've also told her things of - things that will happen to help the thrush.
You've had a conversation with [the complainant] about her thrush?---No, [the mother].
With [the mother]. You have offered advice to [the mother] on how to help with [the complainant's] thrush?---Yes.
And sorry?---Because - - -
And how does that fit in with the vagina oil comment?---Um, [the mother] said to [the complainant], [the mother] told me that she told [the complainant] that there is a, like an oil base germ in the vagina to help, um, get rid of infections and stuff.
An oil base what, sorry?---An oil base substance. I - I can't really - - -
It's not called vagina oil though, is it?---No.
No?---But she - she used that term, vagina oil.
You are saying [the mother] used that term?---Yes.
And when was this?---Ages ago. This was maybe a year before this incident. And other people of - that I know have heard [the mother] explain this as well.
And you told all this to your barrister prior to this court case?---Yes, to the court case, like from, uh, county, from this court here.
Yes?---Uh, yes.