Analysis of the trial transcript
105 A detailed review and analysis of the trial transcript in this matter clearly supports a finding that the trial judge's interventions were such that both the disruption ground and the dust of conflict ground are made out. The primary judge's interventions both undermined the proper presentation of Mr Jorgensen's case and represented such an egregious departure from the role of judge presiding over an adversarial trial that it unduly compromised his Honour's capacity to objectively evaluate the evidence.
106 Before addressing the specific features of the primary judge's interventions which support that conclusion, it should in fairness be emphasised that it is not hard to see why the primary judge considered it necessary at times to intervene during Mr Jorgensen's evidence. Mr Jorgensen was, for the most part, not an impressive witness. At certain times he appeared evasive and unable or unwilling to give direct answers to questions in clear or comprehensible terms. Some degree of intervention was no doubt warranted or required at times to ensure that Mr Jorgensen's answers were responsive. Mr Jorgensen's evidence also appeared at times to be unclear or confused. It was no doubt legitimate for the primary judge to intervene at times for the purpose of seeking clarification to aspects of Mr Jorgensen's evidence.
107 The problem, however, is that on just about any view, the extent and nature of the primary judge's interventions went well beyond those legitimate ends.
108 A review of the transcript of the hearing reveals the following twelve features of the primary judge's interventions during the course of the hearing.
109 First, the primary judge's interventions during the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen began at a very early stage.
110 The cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen commenced with some questions about relatively uncontroversial issues. Counsel for the Ombudsman then took Mr Jorgensen to the transcript of his evidence at the enforcement hearing. Mr Jorgensen was questioned about evidence that he had given during the enforcement hearing which was to the effect that he was not personally liable to pay the penalties that were imposed on 828 Pty Limited and that he had chosen not to pay those penalties from his personal finances. Mr Jorgensen's evidence in that regard included that the "company doesn't have access to my personal funds".
111 While it seems tolerably clear that Mr Jorgensen was saying no more than that he was not personally liable to pay the debts of 828 Pty Limited, the primary judge appears to have taken exception to that evidence. At that point, his Honour essentially took over the questioning of Mr Jorgensen about the evidence he had given at the enforcement hearing on that topic. After a lengthy series of fairly confusing questions asked by the primary judge, Mr Jorgensen eventually agreed that he gave that evidence at the enforcement hearing. That prompted the following question or statement from the primary judge (T50 lines 1-7):
You've said it. Okay. I don't know - you're the one that has - that has come out of your mouth. You're the one controlling all these entities, the Yubnub Proprietary Limited, the Trek North Tours, the Trek North Safaris - I don't know how many other things that you've got. You're the one that has control over that. You're the one who has control over your personal funds and your family trust and all of those things. Your words are "the company doesn't have access to my personal funds"?---That's my understanding, your Honour.
112 The precise relevance of the fact that Mr Jorgensen had not paid the pecuniary penalties that were imposed on the company from his own personal finances was never explained. Counsel for Mr Jorgensen in due course objected to further questioning on that topic by counsel for the Ombudsman, arguing that "the issue isn't whether my client is in contempt for not paying [the company's] judgment debt" but rather was "whether he's in contempt for the transactions particularised" (T53 lines 17-18). His Honour appears to have accepted the force of that argument, but held that questions directed at that topic were nevertheless relevant.
113 Second, the primary judge's interventions during the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen were frequent and regular. From about eight pages into the transcript of the cross-examination, barely a page of the transcript goes by without his Honour intervening in some way in the cross-examination. Some of the interventions are relatively minor, though the vast majority are significant, substantial and lengthy. Well over half the pages of the transcript of the cross-examination include some significant intervention by the primary judge. In his submissions on appeal, Mr Jorgensen contended that the primary judge's questioning of Mr Jorgensen constituted about 40 per cent of the questioning during cross-examination. The Ombudsman did not dispute that calculation in his submissions. It appears to be a fairly accurate calculation.
114 Third, the questions that the primary judge asked Mr Jorgensen for the most part were not non-leading or open questions, but were closed questions or involved putting propositions to Mr Jorgensen, often in forceful terms, for his agreement or comment. The primary judge's questioning, for the most part, could fairly be characterised as constituting cross-examination.
115 There are numerous examples of this type of questioning. It suffices to give one example, which involved questioning directed to what was essentially one of the key factual issues in the proceeding; Mr Jorgensen's claim that the impugned transfers were made so as to reimburse the Family Trust account in respect of business expenses of Trek North Tours that had been paid out of that account. At one point of the cross-examination, as counsel for the Ombudsman was taking Mr Jorgensen through some of the entries in the relevant bank statements, the primary judge intervened as follows (T114 line 44 to T115 line 34):
HIS HONOUR: Well, I mean - you know, it - it just - it really doesn't make sense, that if you've got business expenses and you've got a business account, and you know that you've got bills that are due from your business, that you just didn't pay them out of your business account, and instead put money from your account into your family trust, and asked the family trust to pay it. That doesn't - that doesn't make sense?---Can I comment, your Honour?
Well, you can comment, but you see, this is - this is the point. When you have money in the account, which is your business account - - -?---Mmm.
- - - which is your revenue from your business activities?---Mmm.
To which you should be - have a, "Yes. This is my revenue, and these are my expenses". Instead, you get your revenue, you transfer it to another account, and then you say, "Right. Well, whilst I did have money to pay for these bills, I will just put that money into another account, and I will get that other account to pay the bills?---Okay.
That doesn't make sense?---The other account would pay the bill, and my recollection is that the - this account would owe money for previous - ..... at call.
Yes. But that's what you say, but I can't see any of that?---Your Honour?
What bill was it that you paid - that you put $12,000 on 9 July? What bill was it that you put $3500 on 9 July? What bill was it when you cleared the account of 16,000?---Yes. If the credit line - - -
None of them?---If the credit line owed - was in debt, that would - that was for the bills.
Yes?---So it's - - -
No, no, no. You see, this is - that's - that's the point is, you don't know whether the credit line is in debt because of the bills, or whether you took a holiday, or whether you bought a car, whether you bought groceries. It's just in debt?---Well, it was used for - for bills, your Honour.
Well, that's what you say?---Okay.
116 Fourth, on many occasions the primary judge effectively took over the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen on a particular topic, often when counsel for the Ombudsman had only just begun questioning Mr Jorgensen on that topic. After the primary judge's intervention, counsel for the Ombudsman would sometimes continue with the questioning on that topic, and sometimes would move onto a new topic as there was nothing further to ask on that topic. On other occasions, the primary judge would intervene and ask Mr Jorgensen about a different topic to that which was being addressed by counsel for the Ombudsman. After the primary judge asked some questions on that topic, counsel for the Ombudsman would pick up where his Honour had left off. In that way, the cross-examination often proceeded as if there was a form of "tag team" between the primary judge and counsel for the Ombudsman: cf. Nguyen at [209].
117 One example of this occurred during the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen about the trust deed of his family trust. That topic was introduced by counsel for the Ombudsman. Counsel for Mr Jorgensen objected to the questions about the trust deed on the basis of relevance, arguing that "whether or not Mr Jorgensen has complied with his obligations as trustee is… neither here nor there" (T73 lines 16-17). The primary judge overruled that objection on the basis that he thought that it was relevant, though it is unclear why. Counsel for the Ombudsman asked one more question on that topic, at which point the primary judge effectively took over the questioning (see from T73 line 31) as follows:
HIS HONOUR: Yes. That's not answering the question. This was set up - - -?---So there's no - - -
- - - in 2014?---There's no specific books, your Honour, for - not yet for the equity access.
No. What did you do to establish and maintain proper books of account? That's what you were asked. What did you do?---Engaged a chartered accountant. And - and that will happen. And they've - they've actually been very busy with - - -
What, four years busy? "I will get around to it; it has taken me four years to do this." Is that what you're saying?---Four years? Sorry.
Well, this was set up in 2014?---Well, it hasn't ever had, until recently, equity accessible. Like, a credit - - -
It has had a bank account. There's moneys going into this bank account. There are moneys going out of this bank account?---For - - -
What is it that you've done under this deed to establish and maintain proper books of account?---Approached the chartered accountant, your Honour, and - and asked them to tidy all this up.
And?---Well, if they've completed - - -
In the end it's your responsibility. Where are the books? Where are the books for 2014 when you established this?---I'm sorry. I don't understand the question.
Okay. Let's get down to basics. 2014 you set this up, right?---Yes.
Okay. 2014 you knew - clause 55:
The trustee must establish and maintain proper books of account.
What did you do? You said, "I went to a chartered accountant." Fantastic. You've got an account where you've been using it for all sorts of things, that account. Where are the books for 2014?---Well, it has only been used the last year or two - maybe two years, your Honour.
What do you mean it has been used - I've got all of these material that just shows that that account has been used certainly in 2015 because that's where these payments that the Fair Work Ombudsman says were in contempt have gone?---I believe it was 2015, the equity access. That was the statements.
Mr Jorgensen, answer my question or there will be another proceeding for contempt. What have you done to establish and maintain the proper books of account?---Approached the chartered accountants to - - -
And where are these proper books of account?---I don't have them here, your Honour. They haven't - they haven't - - -
Do they exist?---No, not yet. No.
Yes.
(Emphasis added.)
118 Counsel for the Ombudsman then took up the questioning on this topic and moved onto the question of whether the trust produced proper financial statements.
119 Fifth, as also illustrated by the portion of the transcript just extracted, the primary judge sometimes made threatening or accusatory statements to Mr Jorgensen. The statement (emphasised in the extract) that Mr Jorgensen should answer the primary judge's question or there would be another proceeding for contempt is a particularly clear example of that type of questioning.
120 Sixth, the primary judge frequently interrupted Mr Jorgensen's answers to questions that were put to him, both by the primary judge himself and also by counsel for the Ombudsman. That is also apparent from the portion of the transcript that has just been extracted. It would appear that his Honour did not see any issue with him interrupting Mr Jorgensen as he gave his evidence. That is apparent from the following exchange, which occurred at one point where Mr Jorgensen had attempted to say something during an exchange between his counsel and the primary judge about an aspect of his evidence (T76 lines 39-46):
HIS HONOUR: Do not talk when I'm talking. Do you understand just plain simple good manners? I'm the only one who can interrupt anyone in this court. Do you understand that?---I'm - I'm very sorry.
And I will do it when I want?---I'm very sorry.
You don't. Ms Wilson doesn't. Ms Gover doesn't. It's me and me only; understand?---Yes, your Honour.
121 Similarly, when Mr Jorgensen attempted to say something during an exchange between the primary judge and counsel for the Ombudsman, the following occurred (T113 lines 40-45):
HIS HONOUR: Yes. Did I ask you a question?---No, your Honour.
Well, what - did you just feel as though, "I think I'll just enlighten everyone with my knowledge"?---No, your Honour. I'm sorry.
You talk when I ask you to talk?---Yes.
122 Seventh, some of the primary judge's questions were directed at issues that could fairly be characterised as collateral issues, or issues that could only have gone to Mr Jorgensen's credit. The questioning by the primary judge about whether the trust maintained proper books and records is one example of that type of questioning. At one point the primary judge also, somewhat unfairly, questioned Mr Jorgensen about whether the effect of his evidence was that 828 Pty Limited had engaged in insolvent trading (see T51 lines 1-23). At another point, his Honour questioned Mr Jorgensen about how his affidavit came to include the expression "ad hoc" when he did not understand what that expression meant.
123 Eighth, many of the questions put by the primary judge were in an unfair or inadmissible form and would have been objectionable if asked by counsel. For example, the primary judge frequently asked questions which included numerous statements or multiple questions. For instance, when asked about the existence of invoices for the business expenses that had, on Mr Jorgensen's evidence, been paid out of the Family Trust account, the primary judge asked the following question (T137 lines 7-16):
HIS HONOUR: At any time?---Well, the - there are - obviously the account that has paid the invoices - those invoices exist.
Do they?---Yes, your Honour.
They haven't been brought here. I haven't seen them. I can't look at the account, your family trust account, and see any other invoices other than these two from Queensland Rail that you say have been paid in the ordinary accounts - the ordinary transactions of business. What other invoices are there? And if there are other invoices why aren't they here?
124 In fact, as counsel for Mr Jorgensen subsequently pointed out, there were some invoices annexed to Mr Jorgensen's affidavit.
125 Other examples of unfair or inadmissible questions asked by the primary judge appear in the portions of the transcript which have already been referred to, or are referred to in the extracts which follow.
126 Ninth, the primary judge was frequently critical, disparaging or sarcastic towards Mr Jorgensen and his evidence. For example, at one stage, his Honour said to Mr Jorgensen, "if you tell me the truth, that would be a good start" (T67 line 31) and, on another occasion, he said, "You've been as evasive as I've ever seen a witness" (T68 line 1). On another occasion, the primary judge interrupted or cut-off Mr Jorgensen's answer to a question and said (T138 lines 44-45):
Now, you just keep trying to obfuscate. You keep trying to make sure that we don't get to the truth. You had better stop that because I'm getting very sick of it.
127 The primary judge also responded to one of Mr Jorgensen's answers by saying "[y]ou're kidding me" (T146 line 20). At one point, when Mr Jorgensen indicated that he did not understand a particular proposition that the primary judge was putting to him, his Honour said: "[w]hat, am I talking Swahili or something, am I" (T119 line 43).
128 Perhaps most significantly, the primary judge expressed disbelief and scepticism about Mr Jorgensen's evidence concerning what was one of the critical issues in the trial: his belief that the transfers were made in the ordinary and proper course of the business of Trek North Tours. When Mr Jorgensen was questioned about the relevant transfers from the frozen accounts to the Family Trust account, he maintained that the transfers were to reimburse the Family Trust account because that account had been used to pay Trek North Tours' business expenses. It was tolerably clear that as he gave evidence Mr Jorgensen was not able to marry up the transfers to any specific invoices that had been paid out of the Family Trust account. Perhaps understandably counsel for the Ombudsman nevertheless pressed Mr Jorgensen to specifically identify the "loans" that each of the transfers was said to be repaying. The following exchange occurred in that context (T129 line 9 to T131 line 21).
[MS WILSON] And all of these times that I've taken you to, these ones just here, you can't tell me what that loan is for?---Have I not answered this?
No, just you can't tell me - we're at the charges now. You can't tell me what that loan is for?---I can tell you it was a portion of whatever bills have been paid that was owing.
But you can't give me any particulars of what bill you are paying with this amount, can you?---I can't marry - sometimes maybe. I mean, sometimes maybe, but - - -
Well, I'm asking you about this time, on 9 August 2015, can you give me any particulars of what that "loan repay" is for?---I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking. I feel like I've answered the question, I'm sorry, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: No, but you haven't answered the question?---Well, it's - - -
You may feel all sorts of things?---Right.
But you've actually got to do things?---Okay.
You may feel you've answered the question - - -?---Okay.
- - - but you've actually got to answer the question. Now, the whole point is here is that you're trying to tell this court that those payments that you made after the freezing order were legitimate business expenses in that you were repaying the company - sorry, the family trust, because it had repaid bills?---Yes, your Honour.
So you've had what Ms Wilson has gone through and said, right, you've actually cleared the account on 4 August; cleared the account on 6 August; cleared the account again on 9 August?---Yes, your Honour, when money - - -
Now, on each of those times you've cleared the account, what bill is it that you are repaying?---The bills that would be presented in the debits from the line of credit, your Honour, and there was a substantial amount which I'm sure will - - -
Well, we haven't seen any of it?---No.
You understand?---I - yes, your Honour.
I mean, is it - - -?---So my - - -
- - - going to be the sort of "aha," the big reveal at the end. Are you going to sort of, you know, razzle dazzle us like Billy Flynn in Chicago and sort of have the big bamboozler right at the end? What is it that you are paying with these amounts?---Business expenses, your Honour, represented in the financial statements and the bank statements.
Which just happen to be exactly the same as what amount of money you've got in the account which you're just clearing?---No, no, your Honour, no.
Well, it's just - is that just coincidence, is it?---I'm sorry, I apologise, I feel I've explained that rather than have money sitting in an account doing nothing, it should be saving - - -
I understand that, but you understand that you had a freezing order, you see? Now, freezing order - getting an account back to, or as little as possible, so that you don't incur bigger interest is not a business expense, and is not covered in any way, shape or form by the exceptions in the freezing order?---My understanding, your Honour, is - - -
No - - -?--- - - - that - - -
- - - I'm telling you that?---Okay.
So you tell me now - - -?---Yes.
- - - what legitimate business expense was that, because if all you've done is cleared the account so that you can have less money and less interest in the family trust account then that is totally contrary to the freezing order; you understand?---Well, my understanding, your Honour - - -
No, do you understand? I don't care what your understanding is. I'm telling you what the facts are, because you have said to me consistently that what you do is say, "Right, well, look, I've got a debit here, and because of the debit I'm paying interest. So if I've got money in Yubnub, or if I've got money in Trek North Tours, because of these things I will take that money, I will place it there, that reduces the line of credit, and therefore reduces the interest"; that's what you've done. Now, once the freezing orders came into effect you were not permitted to do that at all. You could only pay legitimate business expenses. Now, you are being taken to the actual payments?---Mmm.
And you have been asked what legitimate business expense was that sum going to, and we're waiting for your answer?---In the ordinary course of my business, your Honour - and it was very ordinary - that was my understanding of the exception to the freeze order, was to - business as usual, type scenario.
So are you telling me that you now realise that you have totally been in contravention of the freeze order?---If your Honour thinks that, I don't believe I've got any right to disagree, but my understanding was different. It was normal course of "your business", and the normal course of my business was as I've explained.
What, that you would use whatever money it was to reduce a debit amount so that you would pay less interest, notwithstanding that debit amount may well have been incurred for non-business reasons?---They were all business reasons, your Honour.
No, you've told me well and truly before today, on a number of occasions, that that account - the family trust account - was not there solely for business?---It wasn't specifically there for business, your Honour, but it's pretty much all I've ever used it for - - -
No, no, no, no, no?--- - - - and that wasn't a - well, my credit cards were cut off as well.
No, you've - you see, this is what we call making it up as you go along. It may be that I do have the break and I let Ms Gover talk to her client, because I'm trying to see how on earth this - well, from what the respondent has said now that the order has not been contravened.
(Emphasis added.)
129 The tone, tenor and content of the questions that were asked by the primary judge clearly showed that he did not believe Mr Jorgensen and did not accept that his evidence brought the transfers within the "ordinary and proper course of business" exception in subpara 10(c) of the freezing order. It also appears that the primary judge either did not fully understand Mr Jorgensen's evidence concerning his belief or understanding that the transfers fell within that exception, or that he chose to mischaracterise that evidence. How else could his Honour have come to put to Mr Jorgensen, in one of the highlighted portions of the transcript just extracted, that he understood that Mr Jorgensen had agreed that he had "totally been in contravention of the freeze orders".
130 Another example of the primary judge's obvious attitude to Mr Jorgensen's evidence was an exchange which occurred when counsel for the Ombudsman asked Mr Jorgensen whether any payments that had been made from the frozen bank accounts were payments of wages to the employees of Trek North Tours. While Mr Jorgensen's answers to the questions were not entirely clear or illuminating, he appeared to be saying that the payments from the frozen accounts may have been made to reimburse the Family Trust account in respect of payments of wages made out of that account. The following exchange occurred in the context of that evidence:
HIS HONOUR: Mr Jorgensen, I'm getting very, very sick of this. You are playing dumb. You are clearly not dumb. You are obfuscating. You are trying to frustrate. You are not being honest, and this does not go well for you. Listen to the question and answer it. Again.
MS WILSON: Mr Jorgensen, on 4 August 2015 $2300 came from the frozen Yubnub account, number 2 on the index of accounts which was 451643835 into account number 1, Leigh Jorgensen Family Trust 503197972 at Suncorp. This was not for remuneration and employee entitlements of the first respondent employees as required by law?---Not specifically. What - I don't understand what - - -
HIS HONOUR: Yes, you do. Don't you dare play dumb with me?---Well, if - - -
He doesn't want to answer and I'm not going to - - -?---Well - - -
- - - force him from here on in. If he wants to keep playing this stupid charade, then that's fine. Just move onto your next question.
MS WILSON: I am just putting the case, your Honour - - -
HIS HONOUR: I know, and you're - - -
MS WILSON: - - - but it seems pointless.
HIS HONOUR: - - - being extremely fair and he doesn't want to, as it were, in any way engage in a proper forensic examination as is required by law. And if he doesn't, that's fine. That's fine. I'm watching. I have to make my mind up at the end, and that's the way he wants to do it. I would have thought that would be the most silly thing that anyone would do, but that's fine. You keep going.
(Emphasis added.)
131 Counsel for the Ombudsman then put to Mr Jorgensen that none of the payments from the frozen accounts "was for any of the exceptions in the order". Mr Jorgensen responded by saying that he understood that they fell within the "ordinary practice of your business" exception. The question whether Mr Jorgensen honestly and reasonably held that belief was perhaps the central issue in the trial. At that point the primary judge intervened in the questioning and, after putting the terms of the exception in subpara 10(c) of the freezing order to Mr Jorgensen, put the following series of questions (T152 line 40 to T153 line 30):
HIS HONOUR: Yes. Must be in the ordinary and proper - - -?---Course of your business.
And you say that what you were doing was proper?---Well - - -
You're going to be telling me that that's proper, and you're going to be telling me that the business expenses are bona fide and they have been properly incurred. That's what you are going to do, isn't it?---Well, they are.
They're proper? You're telling me that every - after everything that we have gone through in the last two days, that you say that all the way you have handled your business has been proper? No loan agreements that are written down, no accounting other than by somehow guesswork off the bank statements. You're saying that's a proper way to conduct a business, aren't you?---It's how I've always ordinarily - - -
No. I don't care if it's how you've always done it. It must be proper, not according to the Jorgensen rules of business. It's according to the proper course of a business. And you're going to tell me that what you did was a proper way in which to conduct a business?---What I will say, your Honour - - -
No. Are you going to say that what you did was conducting a proper - sorry, that what you were doing was conducting your business in a proper way?---It was in the only way.
No. I will ask the question for a third time. Are you going to be telling me that what you did in conducting your business was proper?---I don't know how to answer that because if it's not proper, your Honour, the business would have folded very early. So I don't know how to answer it any other way. I'm sorry.
Yes.
MS WILSON: Your Honour, I was going to take him through each and every of the
exceptions but - - -
HIS HONOUR: There is no need.
MS WILSON: Thank you.
HIS HONOUR: No need to.
132 Tenth, on a number of occasions during the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen, the primary judge engaged in discussion or debate with counsel, in particular counsel for the Ombudsman, in the presence of Mr Jorgensen. At one point during the cross-examination, as counsel for the Ombudsman took Mr Jorgensen through some entries in relevant bank statements, the primary judge interjected to inquire why another transfer which was apparent in the statement was not the subject of an additional contempt charge. The following exchange occurred in the presence of Mr Jorgensen (T142 line 21 to T143 line 25):
HIS HONOUR: Can I just ask - and I don't know if you can answer this, Ms Wilson, but we go to that 9 August withdrawal of $9996.95.
MS WILSON: Yes. Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Now, that left $672 - - -
MS WILSON: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: - - - or $673. There was 672 that was transferred to account number 9 on our - - -
MS WILSON: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: - - - list. Now, that's not a charge.
MS WILSON: No. No. It's - - -
HIS HONOUR: It's very lucky, isn't it? There is no reason why that shouldn't be a charge.
MS WILSON: Your Honour - - -
HIS HONOUR: You're being very generous, aren't you, or have I missed - have I - - -
MS WILSON: No, no. No, your Honour - - -
HIS HONOUR: - - - looked at this wrong?
MS WILSON: - - - I - I - - -
HIS HONOUR: And I know you haven't laid the charge or Ms Hartigan hasn't.
MS WILSON: I am briefed to meet the - what I've got. But - - -
HIS HONOUR: Yes. But there's nothing - that looks exactly the same.
MS WILSON: And, in fairness - - -
HIS HONOUR: And the same one with 14 August where 2990 was taken out, leaving 2216.46. That has also been transferred to account number 9 then.
MS WILSON: Yes. Yes.
HIS HONOUR: And in both instances it has cleared - it has cleared the account.
MS WILSON: Yes, has cleared the account. That's the - that's the MO.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. Well, I understand that that's the MO but that's - the point is here in some ways there is no reason why those two shouldn't have been charges either on the reasoning that the Fair Work Ombudsman has had for bringing these charges.
133 It is difficult to see how the primary judge could have considered it to be appropriate to engage in this discussion in the course of the cross-examination of Mr Jorgensen and in his presence. At the very least, it might well have indicated not only that, the primary judge considered that Mr Jorgensen was "lucky" and the Ombudsman had been "very generous" in not charging Mr Jorgensen with further counts of contempt, but also that the primary judge had already formed a view about the propriety of Mr Jorgensen's "MO", by which it may be presumed that his Honour meant Mr Jorgensen's modus operandi or practice in making transfers from the Yubnub account to the Family Trust account.
134 Eleventh, on those occasions when counsel for Mr Jorgensen did object to a question, those objections were often met with hostility or criticism from the primary judge. It suffices to give two examples. On one occasion during cross-examination, counsel for Mr Jorgensen objected to a question asked by counsel for the Ombudsman on the basis that the question misstated Mr Jorgensen's evidence. His Honour's response was as follows (T122 lines 9-18):
HIS HONOUR: - - - a question. What on earth do you keep getting up and objecting - you're not here to protect this man. You've got to allow - you've got to ask - make objections when there has been something that is either inherently unfair in that there has been a statement or something that has been mis-described, or the question is not a valid question according to law - - -
MS GOVER: Your Honour, the - - -
HIS HONOUR: - - - not just when you don't like what it is that Ms Wilson is asking.
135 His Honour did not expressly rule on the objection, but appears to have considered that the question was not unfair.
136 The second example occurred in the course of the re-examination of Mr Jorgensen. As will be seen, the primary judge also questioned Mr Jorgensen extensively during re-examination. At one point, counsel for Mr Jorgensen attempted to raise an issue about his Honour's questioning. His Honour's response was (T185 lines 11-12):
HIS HONOUR: Did I ask you or did I ask the witness? Is there an objection that you're taking, or what? What is it that you want to interrupt me for?
137 Counsel then endeavoured to explain to the primary judge that his questions were proceeding on the basis that the business of Trek North Tours had ceased trading on 1 July 2015 and that that had not been established by the evidence. His Honour explained his understanding of the evidence and said "[n]ow is there something that is objectionable in that question, because if there isn't, my goodness, you had better have a good excuse for getting up": (T186 lines 5-7).
138 It is perhaps not difficult to see why counsel for Mr Jorgensen may have been reluctant to object to the primary judge's interventions.
139 Twelfth, as just adverted to, the primary judge also intervened extensively during the re-examination of Mr Jorgensen.
140 The primary judge appears to have taken issue with some of the evidence Mr Jorgensen gave during re-examination and took it upon himself to cross-examine Mr Jorgensen in relation to that evidence. For example, Mr Jorgensen was asked in re-examination about whether he had been able to obtain copies of all relevant invoices of the business and what he had done to try obtain copies of those that he did not have. Mr Jorgensen's evidence about those fairly narrow issues led the primary judge to intervene and question Mr Jorgensen about whether Business Activity Statements had been prepared for the business. Not only did that issue not properly arise from the evidence that Mr Jorgensen had given about trying to obtain copies of the invoices, but his Honour's questions were in the nature of cross-examination and appeared to be somewhat unfair and objectionable. The questioning on this topic included the following (T174 line 14 to T175 line 5):
HIS HONOUR: But Mr Jorgensen, you're supposed to do this every year. You're supposed to be able every financial year to have a record of what the business brings in and what the business has expended so that you can look at what is a - what is your revenue, what are your expenses, what are your depreciation so that then you've got in effect a sum by which you can then be taxed. Now that's the whole point is that if you're saying, "Yes, okay I kept all this in my head because at some stage it was going to have to go to the accountant and do that," one would have expected that to happen in a matter of months. Where were your BAS statements for these businesses?---Well the accountants were sent a lot of this material.
No, I didn't ask that. I said where are your BAS statements for this business?---Well not with me now, your Honour, I mean - - -
Were you actually doing them?---Yes, your Honour.
Every quarter?---I believe so.
So every quarter you would have had to figure out exactly what it is that all these expenses were?---Yes.
Yes. So there would have to be then an easy record. Go to your BAS statements and say, "Right this is what I've got." Then go to your end of year tax assessments and say, "Right this is what I've got." Simple. Why is it now that we're having to look to try and figure out what's happening three years ago? It should have already been done. Have you got an answer for that?---Well I don't - is the question why don't I have all the invoices now?
No. Don't try and change the question. This all should have been done. According to you that's what you did. So the whole point of coming here to show that you had made legitimate business expenses and that there had been proper moneys going from one account to another in furtherance of your business, that has already been done. And yet you come here today saying there's all sorts of excuses because, you know, people can't go back three years and so on. I'm saying to you it should have already been done. So why isn't it here?---At the time it was done, your Honour. At the time it was done.
So why isn't that here? If it has already been done - - -?---I - I believe the financials are here.
141 That is but one example of the primary judge's intervention during re-examination. In his submissions on appeal, Mr Jorgensen contended that the primary judge's questioning accounted for almost 27 per cent of the questioning that occurred during re-examination. The Ombudsman did not dispute that calculation. It appears to be a relatively accurate calculation of the extent of the primary judge's questioning.