E.2.5. Consideration
51 The impugned questioning was a most unfortunate approach for the Tribunal to take and I am satisfied that it denied the applicant procedural fairness for the following reasons.
52 First, the tape recording of the impugned questioning reveals that while the tone used by the Senior Member was neutral and respectful, the content of the questions and the manner in which they were framed clearly unsettled or negatively impacted the applicant. The tape recording reveals that the applicant was stumbling over his words, at times he was barely coherent, he was sobbing quietly and he responded very slowly to the questions put to him.
53 Second, I do not accept the Minister's submission that the impugned questioning could fairly be characterised as the Tribunal merely asking further questions that it considered would assist it to make a decision. The inclusion of the leading questions, "Would it not be better for them if you just weren't here?" and the statements "Many people might say that to you" were inherently suggestive, particularly to a vulnerable witness. The phrases "Would it not be better" and "Many people might say" convey an inherent evaluative moral judgment that they should be answered in the affirmative. The suggestive and leading content in the impugned questioning was further magnified by the gratuitous observations, irrespective of how well meaning the Tribunal might have intended to be, of "I see the suffering in you, but I also see the suffering that you recognise that you've inflicted upon your family" and "So I'm just trying to understand whether you feel in your heart that you would actually be doing the right thing if you actually left the country?". The applicant was not only unrepresented, he was also a witness who had candidly conceded earlier in his cross-examination that he was deeply ashamed of his offending and was remorseful for the impact of that offending on his stepdaughter. It is hardly surprising that the applicant, in all the circumstances, felt he had no alternative but to agree to those propositions.
54 Third, I am satisfied that the practical effect of the impugned questioning was to extract concessions from the applicant that were fundamentally inconsistent with the case that he was seeking to advance before the Tribunal. The impugned questioning was directed at, one of, if not, the most critical considerations that the applicant was seeking to establish, namely the best interests of minors and family favoured a revocation of the cancellation decision. These considerations were always going to be very important for the applicant, particularly because the seriousness of his offending was always going to weigh very strongly against a revocation of the cancellation decision.
55 The extent of the inconsistency of the answers given by the applicant in the impugned questioning with the case that the applicant was seeking to advance is demonstrated by the statements that the applicant had provided to the Tribunal in advance of the hearing.
56 The handwritten statement from the applicant included the following representations (as written):
Please be merciful and give me a chance to stay in Australia with my family. I need them more than they need me to restart my life. Please give me a chance to care and provide for them. I can be the best I can be Australia can provide all the tools for me. Family Support most of them are here my Mother, Wife, Son, Father, Aunties, half Brother and Sister and Cousins and friends.
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Please reconsider my Mothers condition and let me care for her for I am the one of the few immediate family of her.
57 The handwritten statement from the applicant's wife included the following statements (as written):
I CHOOSE TO FORGIVE HIM BECAUSE HIS REMORSEFUL, REGRET OF WHAT HE DID.
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HE WILL BE GUIDED AND GET A SUPPORT FROM HIS LOVE ONES WHO TRULY BELIEVED THAT HIS NOT A THREAT TO THE SOCIETY.
OUR SON…FORGAVE HIM. HE GRANTED HIS FORGIVENESS TO HIS DAD.
58 The handwritten statement from the applicant's mother included the following plea (as written):
I'm on my knee seeking your kind consideration and find in your heart to give him a second chance to stay here in Australia to live with his family, his wife and his son to start a new life. Like me I want him here too, I'm already old with chronic disease, I need my son too as he is my only immediate family here in Australia, i need his presence, his love and his care, like he needs me too around him physically to guide him, to support him morally spiritually to be the best he can be.
59 It is clear from these statements that the applicant both wished to stay in Australia and that it was in the best interests of his family, including his son, that he remain in Australia.
60 Fourth, I accept the explanations given by the applicant for his concessions during the impugned questioning and the evidence that he could have given if that questioning had not been pursued by the Senior Member. The applicant was cross-examined for a little over an hour by Mr Wherrett for the Minister. The applicant found the questioning, at times, difficult to follow, his answers were given slowly and with frequent pauses but I was satisfied that he was giving answers that were truthful to the best of his recollection. Most significantly, he did not seek to claim that the answers that he gave in the course of the impugned questioning were not truthful, as made clear in the following exchange:
MR WHERRETT: Well, you say at paragraph 8 [of his 14 November 2023 affidavit]:
This question just crushed me. I was really stressed, and I was crying. The guilt I felt was too much.
Do you see that?---Yes.
Notwithstanding that you were stressed and feeling guilty as a result of the question that was asked, the answer you gave was truthful, wasn't it?---Yes.
61 The cross-examiner, however, did not seek to elicit any concession from the applicant that he did not genuinely feel guilty and stressed when giving evidence during the impugned questioning. That was the critical issue and it was never directly addressed by the Minister.
62 Having observed the demeanour of the applicant in the course of his cross-examination by Mr Wherrett and having heard the audio recording of the impugned questioning, I accept the following evidence that the applicant gave in his affidavit dated 14 November 2023:
6. The lawyer for the Minister was the one talking most of the time. He was talking to the judge a lot. I answered the questions the Minister's lawyer asked me. Every now and then, the judge would ask me questions.
7. There is one part of the hearing that I remember most. The judge asked me a question to the effect of, "isn't your family better off without you here."
8. This question just crushed me. I was really stressed and I was crying. The guilt I felt was too much.
9. I wasn't expecting the judge to ask me a question like that.
10. I have been to the court many times before the AAT, and I know you always must respect the judge. When the judge asked me that question, it really hurt me. Out of respect to the judge, I had to answer him. I agreed with what the judge said to me.
11. I am a guilty person, and my guilt stays with me. Being asked that question by the judge, my emotions took over me. From the guilt, I agreed that I should leave.
12. I don't remember much of the hearing after that question from the judge. In preparing this affidavit, I have been shown pages 33-34 of the transcript of the hearing. I see that the judge asked me whether I really thought I would be killed if I go back to the Philippines, and I said "I reckon I could take the risk. I think I'm - I think I could go back, yes."
13. I gave that answer because the guilt I felt was very strong. The emotion took over. Feeling that guilt, it doesn't matter to me if I take the risk to go back to the Philippines and get hurt or killed.
14. If the questions had come from the lawyer for the Minister, I would have felt different. I feel more comfortable against the lawyer. That is how the case is meant to go: it is me against the lawyer. It is not me against the judge. I have to bow to the judge and respect what he says.
15. If the question came from the lawyer, it would have changed my approach and my answer.
16. If I had been asked by the lawyer, "isn't your family better off without you here?", I would have said, "I am not fighting for myself only, I am fighting for my family."
17. If I was asked, "is it better for your wife if you left Australia", what I would have wanted to say is: "no. My wife has forgiven me. She has given us the chance to be together. My wife wants me to stay. My family wants me to stay."
18. If I was asked, "is it better for your son if you left Australia", what I would have wanted to say is: "I think I'm better off here for him. I want to fix my relationship with him and I am going to try to do that. If I am allowed to stay, I am able to support him and guide him. I had a bad childhood, and I want better than that for my son. I am a Christian. I learnt more about the Bible while I was in jail, and it helps me stay positive. I spoke to my wife a lot about what I learnt in jail, and now she is a Christian too. My son has heard us talking about it, and now he is starting to ask more about the Bible to my wife. This is a part of my son's life where I can guide him. It is better if I am here, to be there for him if he is ever in trouble. I want to teach him to stay out of trouble, from my own experience. I have lost so much time with him."
19. If I was asked whether I felt in my heart that I would be doing the right thing if I left the country, I would have disagreed. I would have wanted to explain: "I am guilty and I have done wrong. But I have lived here half of my life, for most of my adult life. My family is here. There are a lot of reasons for staying that make it the right thing to do: to stay with my family. To look after my mum, my wife, and my son. My family has forgiven me. I think that to say that I must leave, does not understand forgiveness. Forgiveness is difficult, it is the hardest thing to do. My wife and my son have done that."
20. If I was asked, "do you really think you're going to be killed if you go back to the Philippines", I would have said "yes". I would have wanted to explain, "I do think it is a serious risk. My offences are known in my community in the Philippines, and it is a big deal."
21. If I was asked, "You have a large family there, and if anybody hurt you surely they would have to face your family as well?", I would have explained: "Having a large family doesn't mean I would be protected. My family are poor, they have nothing. They don't have influence to defend themselves. It is money and influence that runs everything in the Philippines. Having a huge family, but they're all poor, it's not going to do anything."
63 This evidence of the applicant not only goes to his mental state during the impugned questioning but also the answers that he would have given had that line of questioning been pursued by Mr Palfrey rather than the Senior Member.
64 I accept that the applicant's evidence of the different answers he would have given needs to be considered with some caution given potential hindsight bias. I am satisfied, however, that giving evidence to that effect would be consistent with the apparent logic of events, given the case that the applicant otherwise had sought to advance in his written statement and the written statements from his wife and mother that he had provided to the Tribunal.
65 Fifth, the Minister's challenge to the applicant's evidence that he understood that "he was required to respect what the Senior Member said" does not assist the Minister. The Minister submits that the applicant's negative responses to two questions posed by the Tribunal demonstrated that this evidence could not be accepted.
66 As to the first example, responding "no" to a question about whether he still believed engaging in sexual abuse would make him feel better certainly did not constitute any disagreement with a view explicitly or implicitly advanced by the Tribunal. The question, unlike the impugned questioning, did not convey with it any inherent suggestion that it should be answered in the affirmative.
67 The second example relied upon by Minister, namely an alleged "no" in response to a question about whether the applicant talks to his wife was misconceived. The applicant did not answer "no" to the question asked by Mr Palfrey, as demonstrated in the following extract from the transcript of the hearing before the Tribunal:
SENIOR MEMBER: Sorry. You don't talk to you wife anymore? ---No. No. I talk to my wife, like, every day but I think she - they with- they---
MR PALFREY: Your stepdaughter?--- -- my wife's daughter, I think they stopped talking to each other.
68 Further, and in any event, even assuming the applicant thought he could answer "no" during the impugned questioning, that does not address the evidence given by the applicant that he was feeling stressed and guilty during the impugned questioning and for that reason, had agreed with the questions put to him by the Tribunal.
69 Sixth, I do not accept that offering the applicant, as a self-represented litigant, a chance to say "anything at all at this point" after Mr Palfrey, for the Minister, had completed his oral closing submissions, provided the applicant with a meaningful opportunity to advance the submissions he wished to make to the Tribunal. The necessity of addressing in final submissions what weight the Tribunal should place on the answers that he gave during the impugned questioning could not be expected to be readily apparent to a self-represented litigant.
70 The Tribunal did not ask the applicant to clarify the disconnect between the case that he had advanced in the written statements that he had provided to the Tribunal and his evidence in the impugned questioning. The applicant's demeanour during that questioning, as is evident from the tape recording, would have made it readily apparent to the Tribunal the stress that the applicant was under.
71 In all the circumstances, given the absence of any express request from the Tribunal to the applicant to clarify his position in closing submissions with respect to the impugned questioning, it does appear that the Tribunal was proceeding on the basis that the applicant had conceded that it would be better for his family if he was removed to the Philippines. The significance of the answers given by the applicant to the Tribunal during the impugned questioning was not lost on the Tribunal, as was evident in the following remarks by the Senior Member at the conclusion of the questioning:
Yes. Well thank you HKRC. I won't treat that [as] an application to withdraw the application, Mr Palfrey. But thank you HKRC. I think your response does indicate the difficulty and complexity of this sort of matter for the tribunal.
72 In any event, the concessions given by the applicant in the course of the impugned questioning would present a significant challenge for even a skilled advocate to seek to persuade the Tribunal that it could discount those concessions in determining whether the best interests of minors and family weighed in favour of revocation of the cancellation decision. It is not at all apparent how the "damage" to the applicant's case in the impugned questioning could realistically be ameliorated in closing submissions. The die was well and truly cast by the conclusion of the impugned questioning.
73 Finally, as conceded by the Minister, I am satisfied that the denial of procedural fairness, by reason of the impugned questioning was material. There was at least a "realistic possibility" that had the impugned questioning not taken place, the Tribunal could have come to a different decision, if there had not been a concession by the applicant that his family would be better off he were removed to the Philippines: see CCU21 v Minister for Home Affairs [2023] FCAFC 87 at [81]-[82] (Perram, Halley and Goodman JJ), citing MZAPC v Minister for Immigration and Border Protection (2021) 273 CLR 506; [2021] HCA 17 at [39] (Kiefel CJ, Gageler, Keane and Gleeson JJ).
74 The applicant has established that the first limb of ground 1 has given rise to jurisdictional error.
75 The applicant's success on this ground is dispositive of the application for a review. Nevertheless, in the event that this matter is taken further, I now turn to consider the balance of the review grounds raised by the applicant.