(b) The balance of the AAT's hearing
15 The applicant was then cross-examined at some length relating to matters such as his criminal record, his relationship with his children, his relatives in Indonesia and the contact that he had had with his ex-partner and his children while in immigration detention. The Senior Member also asked him various questions on some topics, including the ex-partner's qualifications and employment, her family and the fact that the applicant and his ex-partner had separated in December 2015.
16 It was put to him that he was in prison from early February 2007 until the end of 2013, he responded "I never neglect my kids or - you know, in any ways". When it was then squarely put to him that his employment history did not suggest that he was able significantly to contribute to the upbringing of his children, he said that that was the case during the six year period he was in prison, but he disagreed with the wider proposition. The transcript records an exchange with Mr Markus as follows:
Not just during that period; overall?---See, that's - that's the thing that I don't agree with, this - from the beginning, this record of the (indistinct) conversation that you had with my partner. That's - I would love to, you know, earlier ask for the - if I can get a - you know, I know it's not possible to get an adjournment, but I would love to - you know, I mean, from them to be here so you can ask them yourself, you know what I mean? Because I don't want to sound like I'm defending myself, I'm justifying myself, answering things or - you know what I mean? On their behalf. And - yes. But, you know, I mean, like, as I said earlier, like, as a father, of course I want the best for my kids, and, you know - and as you can see for the record too, you know, the DoCS never been involved, you know what I mean? All the other stuff, and they - you know, that's never (indistinct) any complaint saying that my kids are starving or my kids not well clothed or - you know what I mean? But like I said earlier, that I would agree with you that during the - my addiction to heroin, especially when I was, you know, locked up in prison and there for that period from 2007 on and off for - until about 2016. Yes, I'm not - I'm not going to, you know, deny that I could have done better, but unfortunately, yes, because of my drug addiction, I was in - in prison. And then - then I couldn't - yes, I couldn't play that role to that - to that extent, yes, from that period, yes.
17 Later in his cross-examination, the applicant explained why he told his ex-partner that it was probably best if the children did not come to visit him while he was in detention because he did not want them to see him the way he was. He added, however, that he still spoke with his children over the telephone and that they wanted to come and see him but that it all depended on their mother as she was the only one who could bring them to him. Later, in response to questions from the Senior Member, the applicant said that his ex-partner had told him that he should look after himself again and that, when he knew what he really wanted, "then come back to her". He then added at T47 lines 8-10:
That's - that's - that's the thing, Senior Member, you know, like, I just hope that I have the opportunity to - to rectify my relationship with - with their mother, which is - you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure there's something then what my children wants too.
18 At the end of the applicant's evidence, he was told by the Senior Member that there would be a short adjournment so that he could think about whether he wanted to clarify anything about the answers he had given to the questions from either Mr Markus or the Senior Member. When the hearing resumed on the first day the applicant said that he had nothing to add.
19 When the AAT hearing resumed the next day, both Mr Markus and Mr Dharma made submissions (although on one view much of what the applicant said was more in the way of evidence). Mr Dharma reiterated that his ex-partner had made it clear to him that it was up to him to rectify their relationship and that she would only take him back if he started to look after himself and make good decisions. He emphasised that his role and responsibility as the father of his children was "forever, and it is their right to have both parent (sic) in their life (sic)…". He said that he would not be like his own father who had never made any effort to fix his relationship with his children. At page 69 of the AAT transcript, Mr Dharma is recorded as saying as follows:
For the record I'd like to say that, to the AAT, that I love my children and there is no evidence that I had abused, neglect (sic) any of my children physically, sexually, mental abuse, and there is no evidence that any of my children has suffered physical, emotional trauma arising from a - the non-citizen conduct, and Mr Markus also suggesting yesterday that my oldest son, [redacted], is turning 18 this year, and (indistinct) advancing into his teenage year. And in the respond (sic), you know, I would like to say that I know that my son [redacted] is turning 18 this year. I just feel that I know my son. I know all my children inside out. I know how they're like, and I just feel that, as their father, I feel that [redacted] is not ready yet to take on the world on himself.
I don't' think he's well prepared mentally, and it's just that, you know, I believe that, you know, just because my child turn 18 that my role and my responsibility is ended. I believe that, as his - as their father, I have so much to give for their future, and yes, I might not be a perfect father, as I said on my statement, you know, but I know I'm a good father to my children. I raised my children in the opposite way the way I was raised. I was abused, physically, emotionally, by my stepfather, and that's the main reason I came to Australia in the first place, and again with my son [redacted] that, especially these days, drugs is everywhere. It's easier to get, and I just don't want my - any of my children to follow my path.
And as I also already said on my statement, that they will benefit from me being here with them because I believe that, you know, if they - if I was to be deported my children will be - suffer with their sense of wellbeing, their self-esteem, social development, and their academic achievement, and I have no reason to lie or exaggerate, you know, all this stuff that - what will happen with me, what will happen with my children if I was deported,…
20 Later, Mr Dharma told the AAT that he regretted what he had done and the effect that it had had on his family, children and friends. He then said:
… that's also the reason why I didn't ask any of them for letter of support, because I just thought that I put them through a lot of headache (indistinct), heartache, and I just hope that I have the opportunity to start my life all over again in Australia, to be a good citizen, and I still going to follow my goal to be youth worker so I can help young people, child, and I been doing my own study, …
21 In summing up his submissions, Mr Dharma said at T 71, that, in addition to his other plans, he would "try to spend my time with my kids, you know, engage my kids in development, and then hopefully then my relationship with my partner can start over again, and then if we do, we always thinking about moving to Adelaide so she can stay close to her mum. So, yes, that's in the picture…".