45 On the available evidence I cannot make satisfactory findings about the extent, if any, of the savings which Prosilis (on his own or otherwise) achieved for Woolworths, although I accept that he did develop a close knowledge of the technical and commercial aspects of the production and distribution of retail catalogues and that he was of at least some value to Woolworths in this regard. I do not consider it is necessary to go any further because, even if Prosilis had been as successful for Woolworths as he claims, I would still not be satisfied, having regard to all of the evidence in the case, that the relevant personnel at CML and MGB were so impressed with Prosilis and his proposals that they were moved to abandon ordinary caution in dealing with him. On Prosilis' own evidence, some eight months passed between the time of his first approach to CML and the critical meeting of 12 November 1993. In the meantime, there were several meetings between the parties and a good deal of correspondence passed between them, as I will indicate in due course. Lawyers became involved on both sides. Osborne repeatedly said in evidence, and I accept, that he (Osborne) had had no great personal interest in or knowledge of the technical side of catalogue production, and that his main interest in Prosilis had arisen from Prosilis' contention that the letter box distributors were engaging in the practice of 'overs' and from the prospect that Prosilis might be able to help to reduce or eliminate that problem. Osborne also said, and I accept, that there were a lot of people trying to sell things to him at the time and that he was very busy,[57] and that everyone he dealt with claimed that they could generate savings for CML of 10 to 20 percent (as Prosilis did in a letter dated 11 June 1993: see below).[58] Similarly, Wood said, when cross-examined about a (later) claim made by Prosilis to CML that there were potential savings of 15 to 20 million dollars, that many people came to CML claiming that they could save the company a lot of money and that most claims led to nothing.[59] So far as trading and profit pressure is concerned, I note that Wilkinson was not called by either party. He left the CML Group in about 1996. Neither side has submitted that a Jones v Dunkel inference should be drawn from the failure of the other side to call him. In any event, even as quoted by Prosilis, Wilkinson was emphasising the position of MGB rather than that of CML. Further, when Osborne was first cross-examined about CML's financial position at the relevant time, he denied that CML itself was under pressure. He said: 'Coles Myer wasn't, Myer was'.[60] Later he was asked whether he recalled Wilkinson saying that 'Coles Myer and especially MGB were under trading and profit pressure and wanted to see if savings, if they existed, could be quickly realised' and he answered: 'I'm not sure of the exact words but that was the situation'.[61] I did not understand Osborne to be resiling here from what he had said previously. Osborne did go on to say that it would 'always' have been 'our' (meaning, I think, CML's) aspiration to see savings demonstrated quickly.[62] However, in later cross-examination it was put to Osborne that there was some urgency with the project. He responded that that was not so from his point of view, because he knew it was going to take a long time; and that although 'we' wanted savings as quickly as possible, 'this was transformational'.[63] Later again, Osborne denied that he had brought in Prosilis because of a time problem or issue.[64] I accept Osborne's evidence in these respects. Another witness called by the defendant, Mr Hampson, when he was asked about this topic, said that it was MGB that had been performing badly, although he did acknowledge that these problems were publicly known and had been reported to the Stock Exchange.[65] Mr Hampson had been employed at all relevant times by MGB, not CML.