Mr Brailey, can I interrupt you because you are not responding to my question. My question concerns you in your witness statement, your evidence-in-chief, as regards this set of minutes not saying that as far as the minutes go they are wrong in any respect. You see you haven't said that. Sorry, you see that you make no criticism of the minutes as far as they go, don't you?---All I say is that they're not complete because there's no mention of the ANPC
Right. They are not complete but as far as they go they are not inaccurate in any respect, to the best of your recollection?---We talked about Vince Roberts. We talked about the corporate restructure possibilities. We talked about the Cue tenements, and I received this business proposal which I really do remember vividly. They said that it had a series of meetings with a mineral exploration - a group of people that wanted to start a new mineral exploration company and they were now prepared to offer 800,000 vendor shares for the Cue properties. I remember that very clearly. Absolutely.
Mr Brailey, you don't say that these minutes are wrong in any respect as far as they go, do you?---No, I don't say these four paragraphs are wrong, no.
One of the topics discussed under the heading Corporate Restructure was the question of bringing the number of shareholders in WAE below 15 so as to avoid the operation of the takeover provision, wasn't it?---I don't find that unusual because
I'm not asking you whether it's usual or unusual. I'm just trying to get the nature of the subject?---Yes. No, I'm happy that that was discussed. Yes.
Was the reason that was discussed so that the outstanding shares which were to come to Mr Streeter could be issued to him or his company if the number of shareholders could be reduced to 15?---No. I don't remember the detail of that. It was something left to Cooper and Thomas.
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But you recall that there was an arrangement as regards 600,000 shares plus attached options?---Yes, I remember that.
And Mr Streeter had put in some capital which hadn't been able to be converted into equity because of the proportion of the capital he already held, which was too close to 20 per cent?---When he - yes, when he, Mr Streeter, first introduced the capital, the corporate management of the company was under Mr Higginson and others, and if Mr Streeter went over 20 per cent, I remember discussions from time to time of how long it would take to get an EGM together and get the shareholders' approval. I remember that.
There were two aspects to the outstanding issuance of shares to Mr Streeter's company, weren't there? There was the 600,000 shares and there was the remaining capital he had put in which hadn't yet been converted into equity?---Yes, that's correct. Yes.
And the item that's recorded as item 2 in the minutes of exhibit 77 is a discussion about what can be done to bring about the position where that can be remedied and the shares can be issued, wasn't it?---No, no, that was - that's not - that's completely incorrect.
Well, what do you say was the reason why you were discussing bringing the number of shareholders in the plaintiff below 15?---Not being a corporate wizard, all I know is that that particularly below - that item below 15 was part of the discussion. Now, I cannot tell you the exact reason but I did know that once Mr Streeter exceeded his 20 per cent, we'd have to go to a quick EGM to get it approved. That was a given.
So you don't recall the reason why you were discussing trying to bring the number of shareholders down below 15?---No, I don't. No. As a matter of fact - yes, I just simply don't remember discussing that part of it.
And you do recall there being a discussion about the sale of the Cue tenements?---Yes, I do. Yes.
And an opportunity was described to you?---Was - sorry, could say that again?
An opportunity to sell the tenements was described to you?---Yes, yes.
And following some discussion of that proposal, you consented to the proposed transaction of sale, didn't you?---No, that's totally wrong. How could I do that? All I would say is, 'Look, let's have a look at it. Let's discuss it. Let's see what we need to do.'
You see that the minutes conclude under item 4 with attributing a consent to you, don't you?---Yes, I do, and I've always denied that that happened, but I don't say that anywhere.
Well, you've already accepted that you don't criticise the minutes for accuracy as they go, Mr Brailey?---Okay. Well, let's get back to this paragraph 108, when I say, 'Above or partially consistent.' You're bringing my - you're certainly stimulating my memory now as I read this again. This document to me - I've always said from day one it's strange. The fact it was signed on the 24th of the 3rd, there's no minutes before this on the 14th of the 6th. It just got a little bit out of shape for me, and as far as I'm concerned, I say - I must say somewhere that I didn't agree that I had agreed to that deal being an acceptable deal.
Well, I can tell you you don't say that in your witness statement, Mr Brailey?---Well, then perhaps I should have.
You recall a discussion about Cue, don't you?---I said that, yes.
And you recall a discussion to the effect that there was an opportunity to sell the Cue tenements?---I remember that and I also remember my response was, 'Let's have a look at it,' because if we can lay off in our risk in that area and get somebody else to pay for it, well, then some vendor stock might be totally acceptable, but we'd like to see the deal.
And you don't recall any statement to Streeter or Cooper at the meeting of the 28th along the lines, 'Well, why would we be selling Cue if WAE is being floated with the ANPC proposal,' do you?---Well, I don't recall exactly, but Cue is a grassroots high risk gold tenement and now it focuses on nickel. So therefore it would be automatic for me to say, 'Well, if we can push that out of the portfolio, that's fine.'
Well, on your evidence you recall someone asking in early December that Wolzak get some information on Cue for Hanna, don't you?---That's correct, yes.
So on your evidence you had in mind that Cue might be included in a float with ANPC, don't you?---I had in mind that at that very early stage - nothing in particular apart from the fact that we had the Cue project inside WAE, and why would I suppose that ultimately if it was all developed the way I thought it was going to develop, it could be in there. Why not?
And what I'm suggesting to you is that come 28 January, when you meet him, you never said anything to Streeter and Cooper along the lines, 'Well, I thought this was going with ANPC into a float,' did you?---No, because things had moved on. It's a state of flux all the time.
And you never asked them - sorry, I withdraw that. Did you ask him at the 28 January meeting who the prospective buyer of Cue was?---No. Why would I? I was just - I was just - - -
It didn't occur to you - - -?---I was just told and I accepted - - -
- - - that that would be important to know?---I would say no, I didn't ask them. Just told me it was just a group that had approached them.
Do you see that in the description of item 4 it's recorded that in view of the fact that these tenement licences, if granted, would involve the company in ongoing exploration expenditure for which it did not have the funds, it was felt that this was a good opportunity for Western Areas to benefit from the Cue tenements?---It's bringing back a lot of memories but that's an area which I don't - I find great difficulty with in these minutes, I must admit.
Do you recall a discussion to that effect?---I recall a discussion that it would be acceptable to think about doing a deal with another group who had approached Streeter and Cooper expressing an interest in our Cue projects and may give us 800,000 vendor shares. So at that stage, in the knowledge that we have got this other thing going on, it would be totally natural for me to say, okay, let's have a look at it and look at the proposal. Had I been of the view that this was the last remaining straw in our pack or card in our pack, I wouldn't have adopted that attitude.
Mr Brailey, I suggest to you that you could not have participated in a discussion about the prospective sale of Cue for vendor shares in a new company without already knowing what the new company was proposed to be or without asking. Isn't that so?---No, I don't agree with that. There's a lot of trust in this game and if your directors say, 'Look, we have got a new group that's approached us,' you just take it.
You knew by 28 January, didn't you, that Streeter was interested in the ANPC proposal?---No. I thought that WAE was interested in the proposal.
And you knew by 28 January that ANPC had no interest whatsoever in WAE, didn't you?---No, I didn't know that.
As regards the Vince Roberts matter, it appears from the entry in exhibit 77 that you made a telephone call to someone and ascertained that it had been deferred until July 2000. Do you see that?---Is this the item 1 on the same document?
Yes?---I do. Which Christmas Eve?
The hearing had been deferred until July 2000. That's what you were told apparently?---That's correct, yes.
And you don't recall any discussion at this meeting on 28 January about seeking to resolve the matter before then, do you?---No, I don't recall any specific discussion.
And you don't recall any discussion at this meeting about taking steps to prepare WAE, Western Areas Exploration NL, for a possible float with the ANPC tenements, do you?---I don't make any specific mention of that but I thought that was a given.
But you don't recall any discussion about taking steps to prepare WAE for the float, do you?---It's not mentioned in this minute but I thought Tolhurst were going to be one of the lead brokers in the situation and by that stage I was waiting for the resolution of the Norgard Clohessy situation with King and it was just an ongoing work in progress as far as I was concerned.
An ongoing work in progress in which you have got no recollection of speaking to either Streeter or Cooper or anyone from ANPC about it after 3 December about the progress, do you?---This doesn't say it but there were discussions, that's for sure, and even though it's not documented, I would not have let that amount of time go past with such an important situation on the plate just letting it vaporise. I don't understand it.
But you've got no recollection of any discussions?---Not specific discussions, no.