[2026] VCAT 47
General information, not legal advice.
Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal
2026-01-23
Mr P
Original judgment source is linked above.
DOMESTIC BUILDING-Section 8(b) DOMESTIC BUILDING CONTRACTS ACT 1995 (Vic)_-_implied warranty that all materials to be supplied by the builder for use in the work will be good and suitable for the purpose for which they are used-common ground that hardwood floorboards became so damaged as to be not good and suitable for the purpose for which they were to be used.
ONUS OF PROOF-whether, as contended by the builder, in the case of the statutory warranty, being absolute, the owners were required to prove that the cause of the damage to the floorboards was an act or omission of the builder-submission rejected.
Barton v Stiff [2006] VSC 307 cited.
EVIDENCE-builder contended that at date of supply and installation, the floorboards were good and suitable for purpose-builder relied on an expert report to the effect that the cause of the damage to the floorboards was the alleged warm, dry conditions in the dwelling following occupation by the owners, being conditions not likely to be encountered within the dwelling at the date of supply-owners' counsel chose not to cross-examine the expert-weight to be ascribed to the report-report found to carry little weight, given the period of time between the alleged warm, dry conditions and the date of inspection by the expert, and the lack of data made available to the expert as may otherwise have informed him as to the actual conditions the subject of his opinion.
EFFECT OF CONCESSION BY OWNERS' EXPERT-expert evidence relied on by the owners that the damage to the floorboards was consistent with drying shrinkage of the floorboards by reason of too high a moisture content at date of their supply-concession by the owners' expert during the hearing that the evidence did not tend to prove this proposition-whether this concession led to the conclusion that the builder has proved on the balance of probabilities that the cause of the damage to the floorboards was the alleged warm, dry conditions in the dwelling following supply of the floorboards by the builder.
S & D Grant Pty Ltd (ACN: 603 262 415) t/as Granted Constructions
Applicants' and Respondent's principal submissions each dated 8 May 2023
Applicants' and Respondent's submissions in reply each dated 8 May 2023.
Wright v S & D Grant Pty Ltd (Building and Property) [2026] VCAT 47
(a) the cost of replacing the floorboards that the parties agree are not fit for purpose ($161,183 is claimed, made up of $137,630 rectification costs, $20,000 for rental costs upon the owners needing to vacate their residence and $3,553 furniture removal cost); and
(b) the cost of rectification of the rendered wall abutting the northern balcony, so as to ensure that water allegedly entering the cladding through cracks and split joints around windows or doors is directed to an external drainage gap below rather than, as alleged, through laps or tears in the sarking into the interior of the house ($16,858 claimed, made up of $11,523 for rectification cost, $5,335 for cleaning, contingency and supervision, both including margin and GST).
[The] builder warrants that all materials to be supplied by the builder for use in the work will be good and suitable for the purpose for which they are used...
Floorboards not fit for purpose, and require replacement
Upon inspection of the flooring, the primary concern observed appeared to be gapping/peaking along suspected construction joints in the yellow tongue/chipboard sheet flooring beneath the timber flooring (in some instances the length of the room)-accompanied by some isolated edge bonding in these areas.
The main contributing causes of the problem [were] considered to lie with internal conditions resulting in warm low humidity conditions conducive to shrinkage in both the flooring and subfloor. The consequence of this was the gapping, cupping, splits and cracks observed in the floor. Aspects including heavy use of [hydronic] heating and no window coverings also contributing to maintaining the dry conditions. Additionally, the aspect of the particleboard fixing [was] considered to have contributed to some unevenness in the floor surface.[9]
(a) he disagreed with Mr Browning's findings in the Browning first report as to the cause of the damage;[10]
(b) he drew attention to specific paragraphs of the Stringer report, providing his own supporting commentary in respect of them, and specifically cited Mr Stringer's conclusions referred to in the previous paragraph, concluding:
I agree with the recommendation by [Mr Stringer], namely that the full replacement of the timber flooring is required. However, in my opinion, the [builder] is not responsible for the purported defects associated with the flooring for the reasons set out [in the Stringer report] and accordingly is not liable for the full replacement of the timber flooring.
(a) an example of a split in the body of a floorboard in the flooring of the ground floor living area, and in the stairs, being examples of many such splits;[11]
(b) an example of an opening between joints of floorboards on the north side of the stairs on the upper floor and on the ground floor adjacent to the stairs, many of the floorboards, being examples of many such openings;[12]
(c) an example of a split at a joint between boards caused by edge bonding, in the ground floor rear bedroom, near the family room door;[13]and
(d) an example of cupping of boards, on the ground floor living room at the base of the stairs, being an example of a limited amount of cupping. [14].
(a) to count the number of floorboards in each room or area; and
(b) count the number of boards that have splits in the timber (without reference to how many splits there may be in an individual board).
(a) of the 588 boards installed on the ground floor, 138 had splits; and
(b) of the 463 boards installed in the upper floor, 136 had splits.
(a) at section 5.0, Mr Stringer identified the location of the main gaps in the floorboards relative to the particleboard sub-floor.
(b) at section 6.0, Mr Stringer set out his observations, measurements and photos, including his observation as to the absence of eaves and a verandah, his observation that only 2 rooms on the right hand side of the dwelling (being bedrooms 1 and 3) had window coverings and, that on the date of his inspection (13 December 2019), he records the outside temperature being 18° centigrade, inside temperature 21° centigrade and relative humidity 40%), and that the hydronic heating was operating.
(c) Mr Stringer detailed his moisture content readings of the floorboards using capacitance moisture meters (noting that more accurate assessment of moisture content can only be obtained by removing samples from a floor and testing externally by the oven dry method).[15] Mr Stringer states that timber flooring is generally manufactured to be between 10% and 14% moisture content, with average moisture content being between 10% and 12% at time of manufacture. Based on his readings,[16] he concluded that the moisture content of the floorboards at the time of his testing was likely to be in the range of 7% to 9% and, as such, "quite low".[17]
(d) Mr Stringer detailed further moisture content "gradient" testing. That test assesses the difference in moisture through the depth of a board where there are higher gradients in board edges caused by cupping. He notes, firstly, that there was no significant gradient in the boards tested, meaning that similar dry conditions existed both above and below the boards. Mr Stringer further notes (in the third and fourth paragraphs) that:
Measurements over groups of boards of individual boards and of any gaps at board edges assists in determining the condition of the floor at installation and also what has occurred since that time. Such measurements are also useful when assessing affected and unaffected areas of a floor. Also, depending on the situation with the floor, this enables assessment of such aspects as floor expansion or average board width at installation.
In this floor measurements over ten boards were taken in various locations and ranged from 1329mm to 1331mm with most being 1330mm. This indicated that the flooring was installed at or close to the manufactured cover width of 133mm.
(e) Mr Stringer again observed the drying of the timber boards over time, noting that the moisture reading of 7.1% "is considered at the low end of timber moisture contents". Mr Stringer opines that the 5mm gap between the boards "likely coincides with a join in the particleboard subfloor below".[18]
(f) Mr Stringer noted further that:
...gaps are present that have occurred in the solid Tasmanian Oak staircase which was manufactured by different contractors[19] than the ones that did the flooring. This suggests that this timber has also lost moisture since being installed.
(g) Mr Stringer recorded a split in a floorboard close to a join in the particleboard subfloor.
(h) Mr Stringer recorded a gap between boards exceeding 5mm and a split in a board on the upper shoulder of the groove.[20] He notes that "[b]oth of these are likely to fall in close proximity to joins in the particleboard". On that same page (by reference to photo 30) he again observes the close proximity of "a 5mm gap between the floorboards and a 5mm gap between the particleboard" (emphasis added by Mr Gurr).
(i) At section 7.0 of his report, Mr Stringer provided his analysis of observations, measurements and testing. He records that on the date of his inspection on 13 December 2019:
...the hydronic heating was operating, and there were no window coverings throughout the house, other than in the bedrooms. It was considered to be extremely warm inside the house at that time. When considering this floor, it was apparent that the flooring had failed in this environment.
(j) Mr Stringer explains the impact which the warm and dry conditions in the house have on the moisture content of the floorboards, noting that the relatively warm and dry conditions will effectively suck moisture from the boards, and cause them to shrink:
It is important to understand that relative humidity and temperature (if both are maintained) will dictate the moisture content of timber flooring. This is given by the Equilibrium Moisture Content (EMC) table below. As an example, if the temperature is 200 C and the relative humidity is 40% [being the temperature and humidity found on Mr Stringer's inspection] then the flooring in this environment will want to attain a moisture content of about 8%. Therefore, timber at 11% moisture content will over time release moisture from the air until it is close to 8%. As the moisture content decreases so does the width of the board. Low humidity and a loss of moisture content results in shrinkage.[21]
(k) Mr Stringer then continued:
Although temperature and humidity alter throughout the day and night, a floor's response is usually relatively slow, and we often see only minor changes from month to month. In addition to these natural seasonal responses, changes to the internal environment through heating and air-conditioning can either moderate the internal conditions or at times create conditions that are more severe. Temperature has two effects. Firstly, high temperatures within a house will significantly lower the relative humidity making the air drier and flooring more prone to shrinkage and secondly high floor temperatures make it easier for the moisture in timber flooring to be released to the air, again promoting shrinkage.
When evaluating this floor, and with an understanding of the above, it is firstly necessary to consider both the external climate and internal climate within the dwelling. It should be noted that the external climate has a seasonal influence on internal conditions but that, as indicated, the likes of heating and cooling systems can significantly influence actual conditions in the dwelling (emphasis added by Mr Gurr)
(l) Mr Stringer stated that the high temperatures and low humidity in the house have caused the flooring to dry after installation. This, in turn has resulted in cupping, gapping, splits, particleboard movement and floor flatness irregularities.[22]
(m) Mr Stringer refers to an ATFA publication dealing specifically with gapping in floorboards. That publication notes, relevantly:
Gapping in a floor is not necessarily a fault. It is simply the timber reflecting the in-service conditions and is natural. ... To limit gap width, flooring is produced to within a tight moisture content range and this combined with appropriate installation practices generally limits gap widths in floors. Flooring manufactured outside this range, flooring that has become wet (or put in high humidity conditions) prior to or after laying and very dry conditions from sun exposure etc are generally the reasons for wide gaps.... (emphasis added by Mr Gurr)[23]
The main contributing causes of the [gapping and splitting] was considered to lie with internal conditions resulting in warm low humidity conditions conducive to shrinkage in both the flooring and the subfloor. The consequence of this was the gapping, cupping, splits and cracks observed in the floor. Aspects including heavy use of the [hydronic] heating and no window coverings also contributing to maintaining the dry conditions. Additionally, the aspects of the particleboard fixing were considered to have contributed to some unevenness in the floor surface.[26]
When evaluating this floor, and with an understanding of the above, it is firstly necessary to consider both the external climate and internal climate within the dwelling. It should be noted that the external climate as a seasonal influence on internal conditions but that, as indicated, the likes of heating and cooling systems can significantly influence actual conditions in the dwelling.
With regard to the...[Mr Stringer's] comment, I again note that due to the owner's constant heating and lack of window dressing is combined with the lack of air exchange within the dwelling the moisture content of the timber flooring has dropped to around 7-9% which is a major contributing factor [to] the defects experienced in the flooring.
Therefore, regarding this floor, it is likely high temperatures and low humidity caused the flooring to continue to dry after installation and the dwelling has become occupied. Note that timber moisture content was fixed internal conditions and moisture contents were estimated to be 7-9% which is below the 9-14% manufacturing range. Such dry conditions also affecting the particleboard and would result in some shrinkage in it.
The consequence of these conditions on the floor is that it is now experiencing the following as observed in the floor
The...statement by [Mr Stringer] basically concludes that the defects experienced in the five dot points are as a result of the owners' use of heating, cooling and lack of ventilation/air exchange within the dwelling, thereby affecting the flooring and resulting in shrinkage
ATFA specifically notes within its remedial option recommendations that [it is important to understand when Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) systems are not used or are used in a way different in the install flooring moisture content requires, or if these systems are completely shut down for an extended period of time, the conditions necessary for the performance of the home, its contents, and the wood floor will be compromised. Without air exchange, sunlight through windows can generate heat, which can lead to drastic fluctuations in humidity levels. This can result in cupping, buckling, gapping, spitting, delamination, edge bonding, and more. Controlling the atmosphere before, during and after installation of wood floor this critical.
The comments of [Mr Stringer] as set out in this item [and further described in items d and e of the Jeffery report] again stress the importance of maintaining the moisture of the timber flooring at its natural levels rather than an artificial level of 7-9% which is what has been experienced in this instance.
The main contributing causes of the problem was considered to lie with internal conditions conducive to shrinkage in both the flooring and subfloor. The consequence of this was the gapping, cupping, splits and cracks observed in the floor. Aspects including heavy use of the and no window coverings also contributing to maintaining the dry conditions. Additionally, the aspects of particleboard fixing were considered to have contributed to some unevenness in the floor surface
In my opinion, the above conclusion by [Mr Stringer] clearly states that the reason for the effective flooring is due to the owners' use of heating, cooling and lack of ventilation/air exchange within the dwelling.
... The fixing method of the particleboard (glue and nails rather than screws) made no difference to the extent of the defects found on the floor. Consequently, in my opinion, the only other rational explanation for the defects flooring is the conclusion drawn by [Stringer], being that the reason for the defective flooring is due to the owners' use of heating, cooling and lack of ventilation/air exchange within the dwelling.
Owners' internal heating arrangements were not uncommon
Temperatures in January 2018 were not out of the ordinary
Evidence of external and internal window shading in answer to Mr Stringer's and Mr Jeffery's observations
No verandah or eaves are on the perimeter of the building and only the two rooms on the right-hand side which are bedrooms 1 and 3 [on the ground floor] have window coverings.
With regard to the above [Stringer] comment, I again note that due to the owner's constant heating and lack of window dressing is combined with the lack of air exchange within the dwelling the moisture content of the timber flooring has dropped to around 7-9% which is a major contributing factor of (sic) the defects experienced in the flooring.
Results of moisture testing on the floorboards shows that they were not excessively dry
Upon completion of installation on 11 August 2017
Timber sample measures demonstrated only marginal dimensional variation and moisture content estimates were at the lower end of the acceptable moisture range (emphasis added).[41]
The readings [taken by him and set out in the Browning first report] range from a low of 7.1% to a high of 9.9% with an overall average of 8.7%. These readings, with the exception of one at 7.1% are within the tolerances of 9.5% +/- 2% = 7.5% to 11.5% detailed in [Britton Timbers] test sheets [apparently] attached to the [Scarpella report] (emphasis added).
Photos 4 to 8 show resistance moisture meter readings of the particleboard and floorboards all close to 7% uncorrected...Corrected for species and temperature, the solid timber would have a 0% to +2% adjustment to the reading. Note that with particleboard readings are only indicative. Based on the readings in the solid timber estimated moisture contents would likely be in the range from 7% to 9% and as such quite low (emphasis added).
Mr Stringer's evidence not sufficiently persuasive
Owner's election not to cross-examine Mr Stringer
Evidence of Mr Jeffery not sufficiently persuasive on the issue
Timber damage to floorboards in the stairs does not have the same characteristics as the floorboards in the rest of the residence
Evidence of relevant damage having occurred prior to handover
115. The owners and Mr Grant of the builder undertook an inspection of the residence to identify defects, about a month before handover on 16 November 2017.**
Is that the that the top story? Has this been handed over yet? Looks like the timber's dried out a bit.[54]
I want to raise an issue with the floor at the above project address. There is some peaking, cracking and large gaps appearing on both levels of floor.
I sent a couple of photos to Toby [on 17 November 2017] and discussed we will look at it after another couple of months but unfortunately it has worsened and happened in quite a few locations around the house. Could we arrange a time to meet together on site?
Concerns have been raised in regard to gapping/shrinkage of floorboards in this recently completed new home construction. Upon inspection of the flooring the primary concern appeared to be gapping/peaking along suspected construction joints in the yellowtongue/chipboard sheet flooring beneath the timber flooring (in some instances the length of the room)-accompanied by isolated edge bonding in these areas. Timber sample measures demonstrated only marginal dimensional variation and moisture content estimates were at the lower end of the acceptable moisture range. Some isolated "checking" or cracking was identified in boards in boards which may have occurred under different internal conditions than observed during inspection...
...if the subfloor can be confirmed to be stable and well fixed and that the timber is observed by the supplier, then the floor may be deemed suitable for amelioration/rectification. In this instance it is considered likely that such works would be most successful if initiated after a further measure of seasonal adjustment has occurred (cooler period - March / April) when the timbers may again adjust slightly. Then new boards can be "spliced in" where required and the remainder of the floor repaired, re-sanded and refinished. These works completed successfully should bring the floor to a condition suitable for a floor of this type and age.
Moisture content concept relied on by the owners not proved. Does this lead to the conclusion that the builder has proved the hot-box concept?
(a) the warranty in s8(d) of the DBCA, the owners not having made out any failure by the builder to exercise reasonable care and skill in the installation of the floorboards;
(b) the warranty on s8(e) of the DBCA, the applicable test being whether the residence was in a condition at handover that made it injurious to health;[71] or
(c) the warranty in s8(f) of the DBCA, the Contract having not stated the particular purpose for which the work was required, or the result which the owners wished the work to achieve to show that the owners were relying on the builder's skill and judgement.
The wall above the balcony floor level has not been built with drainage from the cavity behind the rendered external foamboard cladding onto the balcony tiles surface. As a result, water is trapped behind the skirting tiles, resulting in damp damage to the plasterboard ground floor ceiling beneath. This appears as damp patches on the ground floor ceiling.[72]
[I] was unable to view what had been installed "behind the rendered external foamboard cladding" as the works in the stated area were completed at the time of [my] inspection leaving them inaccessible.
The further report of Mr Browning does not provide any photos of the "damp damage to the plasterboard ground floor ceiling beneath". At the time of my inspection there were no visible damp patches to the ground floor ceiling beneath.
[Mr Browning] does not provide any moisture readings to prove there was any "damp damage to the plasterboard ground floor ceiling beneath. At the time of my inspection the moisture readings taken by me provided no evidence of any damp patches to the ground floor ceiling beneath. In my opinion this reported item is not a defect.
Inspection of the ceiling cavity was not possible but I rely on my extensive experience in this area in terms of construction of drainage to walls at balconies to identify the cause of the water entry. My inspection of this detail did not disclose any drainage provision from behind the wall, which is the cause of water entry in every case I have inspected.
At the time of my inspection the plasterboard sheeting to the ceiling was not dished, as this can take some years to appear depending on the amount of water entry. I note that the rate of water entry increases over time as a result of moisture related movement opening up split joints.
There is no factual evidence for the alleged defect. Mr Browning has not been able to inspect the ceiling cavity or prove that there has been any water entry in the ceiling cavity.
...you get a little bit of evidence and then six months later you got a major amount of evidence including its raining outside and I've got water cascading down from the ceiling...;
and went on to say that:
...so what I'm trying to explain here is the way the water gets inside the building, because you've got - and apparently water type or weather type 45 external façade, and then you've got a nice line of, you know, tiles forming a skirting around the edge of a - a balcony, in this case, but you're getting water galore coming inside the building...[75](
[1] See Appendix B to the Browning first report at TB 611.
[2] For the reasons expressed below, I am not satisfied that the owners have made out breaches of ss 8(d)-(f) of the DBCA.
[3] Barton v Stiff [2006] VSC 307.
[4] See builder's outline of submissions at [8]. [10], [54]-[58], [80], [102] and builder's reply at [39].
[8] TB 804 (the front page of Mr Jeffery's report dated 18 December 2020).
[15] Samples of boards and of the particleboard subfloor were in fact removed and tested using the oven dry method. The results of that testing, undertaken by ATFA, are at TB 955. The reference to "PB" in these testing results is to the yellow tongue particle board substrate.
[16] Which, as set out in the photographs at TB 941, shows moisture readings in the range of 7.3% to 7.6%.
[17] These moisture readings were significantly lower than the moisture readings taken by the Southern when the boards were laid between 7 and 11 August 2017.
[19] The stairs were manufactured and installed by Tarosa Stairs. See entries in the Agreed Chronology dated 10 July 2017; 4 August 2017; 28 August 2017; 1 September 2017.
[26] Mr Jeffery and Mr Browning both agreed in subsequent reports that the manner of the particleboard fixing did not cause any of the gapping or splitting of the floorboards - see TB 715 - 716 (Mr Jeffery) and TB 696 at [53] (Mr Browning). Nor did Mr Stringer reach that conclusion, opining only that the manner of particleboard fixing 'contributed to some unevenness'.
[29] Mr Jeffery reached a similar conclusion - see Jeffery second report dated at TB 823 - 824.
[30] Evidence of Dr Wright T1 P340 L5-7; see Jeffery second Report at TB 694-695.
[31] Evidence of Mr Jeffery T2 P135 L16-24.
[32] Dr Wright's evidence T1 P369 L1-9 and L29-L31.
[33] Dr Wright's evidence T1 P370 L1-5.
[34] Dr Wright's evidence T1 P338 L8-15.
[35] Dr Wright's evidence at T1 P338 L8-15.
[37] Refer to statement of account for period 1 November 2017 to 28 February 2018 from KiwiFit, who installed the blinds.
[38] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P375 L28 to 376 L2
[39] See the Sringer report p6 at TB 941.
[41] TB 1124. An attached Oven Dry Testing report dated 20 December 2019 (sic), apparently being the moisture content estimates referred to by Mr Scarpella, stated that the moisture ranges were also reported over 5 sample areas on both the ground and upper floors as being between 8.2% and 9.3% (TB 1126).
[42] He identified only one measurement of the temperature in the residence, but he did not identify where and how he obtained this information.
[43] See day 1 at TR 26.22 - TR 27.23; TR 61.9 - TR 63.20; TR 64.4-19; day 2 at TR 97.10-17; TR 144.13 - TR 145.17; TR 160.27 - TR 161.17; TR 165.28 - TR 166.13; TR 167.27 - TR 171.18; TR 172.3 - 13; TR 235.20-24; day 3 at TR 289.21 -TR 290.13; TR 297.21-26; TR 312.15 - TR 313.28; TR 317.27 - TR 318.8; day 4 at TR 477.7 -27.
[44] Day 1 transcript at TR 64.4-19.
[45] See Wilson v Bauer Media (Ruling No 7) [2027] VSC 357 at [14]- [17] per Dixon J.
[46] These principles were followed by Senior Kirton Anderson v Holden Peel Projects Pty Ltd (Building and Property) [2020] VCAT 538 at [24]-[25].
[47]. Mr Browning's Evidence at T2 P129 L23-28
[48] Mr Browning's Evidence at T2 P129 L41 - 47.
[49] Mr Grant's WS in Reply dated 19 April 2022 at [14].
[50] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P392 L19-22.
[51] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P379 L8-L14.
[52] Mr Grant's evidence T1 P435 to P437 L8 and T1 P442 L12.
[55] Mr Grant's evidence T1 P440 L8 to P442 L14.
[57] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P390 L9-11.
[58] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P391 L14-15.
[59] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P380 L18-28.
[60] Dr Masik's evidence T1 P382 L4-5 and T1 P380 L26 - 28.
[61] Dr Wright's WS at [16]. Dr Wright's evidence at T1 P344 L29 - P345 L6
[62] Dr Masik's evidence at T1 P382 L9-13 and at T1 P386 L 29-31.
[63] During cross-examination, Mr Grant identified the "November photographs" as those appearing at TB481-486 and stated that the balance of the photographs from the bottom of TB486 to TB493 were photographs he took on 15 January 2018.
[65] Dr Wright's statement at [17]-[18].
[66] See Britton Timbers Despatch Docket and pack reports dated between May and July 2017 at TB 465 - 473.
[67] See Jeffery first report dated 1 July 2020 (TB 701) at TB 711 and Jeffery second report at TB 819
[68] See Southern Timber Floors moisture readings and cover widths taken between 7 and 11 August 2017 at TB 446.
[69] See Jeffery second report at TB 825, Browning second report at TB 693 and Stringer report at TB 937.
[70] Mr Browning's suggestion that the floorboards must have been exposed to moisture after they were laid (see 25 November 2022 TR: P-46:11 - 47:44) is speculative and is rejected. In oral evidence, Mr Jeffery rejected the suggestion, noting that had the boards become wet after they were laid, they would have exhibited problems entirely different from those subsequently observed - see evidence of Mr Jeffery on 25 November 2022 TR: P-71:46 - 72:11.
[71] See Owners Strata Plan 62930 v Kell & Rigby Holdings Pty Ltd [2010] NSWSC 612 at [100]- [107].
[73] 6 April 2023: TR 230:10 - 27.
[74] 6 April 2023: TR 221:32 - TR 222:27.
Wright
S & D Grant Pty Ltd