austlii:cth/FedCFamC1F/2025/609
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FedCFamC1F
2025-09-05
Behrens J
Original judgment source is linked above.
FEDERAL CIRCUIT AND FAMILY COURT OF AUSTRALIA (DIVISION 1)
(a) Commencing the second weekend of the fourth school term in 2025, during NSW school terms, from Friday after school until Monday at school each alternate week;
(b) From 2026, on the Father's Day weekend, from Friday after school until Monday at school;
(c) During NSW term school holidays commencing 2026, from after school on the last day of school until 9.00 am on the middle Friday of the school holidays;
(d) During the NSW school holidays at the end of Term 4:
(i) In 2025/6, on the first weekend after the commencement of the school holiday program at Y's school in 2026, from Friday at 4.00 pm until Tuesday at 9.00 am, and each alternate weekend (Friday to Tuesday) except the last weekend of the holiday thereafter;
(ii) Thereafter:
- where the Term 4 holiday starts in an even-numbered year, from the conclusion of the last day of school until 4.00 pm on the day which is two weeks from the conclusion of the last day of school, and from the second last Friday at 4.00 pm until the final Friday at 9.00 am; and
- where the Term 4 holiday starts in an odd-numbered year, from 4.00 pm on the first Friday after Christmas Day until 9.00 am on the Friday which is three weeks later.
(a) changeover will occur at Y's school;
(b) the Mother is restrained from attending at Y's school on the Friday on which changeover is to occur, other than to drop her at school in the morning;
(c) the Father is at liberty to arrange for Y to attend before and/or after school care at his own expense and to pick up Y from after school care and drop her off to before school care.
(a) the Mother is to book and pay for Y to attend the school holiday program which is available to students of Y's school on the relevant changeover day when Y is to leave her care, and ensure her attendance on that day in the morning, and the Father is to collect Y from the school holiday program at or about 4.00 pm;
(b) the Father is to book and pay for Y to attend the school holiday program which is available to students of Y's school on the relevant changeover day when Y is to leave his care, and ensure her attendance on that day by 9.00 am, and the Mother is to collect Y from the school holiday program in the afternoon.
(a) Physically disciplining either X or Y;
(b) Permitting Mr D to have any contact or communication with either X or Y;
(c) Contacting or communicating with the other parent except as stipulated by and in accordance with these Orders or for the purposes of the implementation of these Orders;
(d) Denigrating the other parent or a member of the other parent's extended family;
(e) Permitting the children or either of them to remain in the presence or hearing of any other person who is denigrating the other parent or a member of the other parent's extended family;
(f) Permitting the children or either of them to have access to any document filed or otherwise produced in these proceedings;
(g) Except in the course of any professional therapeutic assistance for the children, discussing the proceedings or any allegations raised in these proceedings with the child/ren or permitting any person to do so.
(h) Communicating with the other parent through Y or X.
Note: The form of the order is subject to the entry in the Court's records.
Note: This copy of the Court's Reasons for judgment may be subject to review to remedy minor typographical or grammatical errors (r 10.14(b) Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia (Family Law) Rules 2021 (Cth)), or to record a variation to the order pursuant to r 10.13 Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia (Family Law) Rules 2021 (Cth).
Part XIVB of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth) makes it an offence, except in very limited circumstances, to publish an account of proceedings that identify persons, associated persons, or witnesses involved in family law proceedings.
IT IS NOTED that publication of this judgment by this Court under the pseudonym Welscher & Arud has been approved pursuant to subsection 114Q(2) of the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth).
(1) Whether Y will continue to reside with Ms Arud, or whether there should be a change of residence such that she live with Mr Welscher and X;
(2) The frequency and nature of time Y will spend with the non-resident parent;
(3) What, if any, restraints and other orders should be put in place.
More specifically, built into my analysis below are resolutions (to the extent that it is possible to resolve them) of the following issues:
(4) What past behaviours have the parents engaged in and what does this indicate in terms of issues of risk and parenting capacity? Can the risks of the two possible "live with" arrangements be ameliorated, and if so, how?
(5) How is Y likely to cope with a transition to Mr Welscher's care given the changes that will involve for her, Mr Welscher's capacity to assist her with the transition, and any scaffolding that is available?
(6) Is Y likely to maintain a relationship with Ms Arud if she lives with Mr Welscher? Is Y likely to maintain a relationship with Mr Welscher if she lives with Ms Arud?
(7) How can the relationship between X and Y be reestablished and developed?
(1) His affidavit filed 21 April 2025;
(2) An affidavit of his partner, Ms J, filed 10 April 2025;
(3) His Financial Statement filed in Court on 1 August 2025
(1) Her affidavit filed 7 July 2025;
(2) Her Financial Statement filed 21 May 2025;
(3) Her affidavit filed 31 March 2025;
(4) An affidavit of her sister, Ms K, filed 31 March 2025;
(5) An affidavit of her mother, Ms L, filed 31 March 2025;
(6) An affidavit of her friend, Ms N, filed 31 March 2025;
(7) An affidavit of Mr D filed 1 April 2025.
(8) An affidavit of Ms K's partner, Mr M, filed 2 April 2025.
Police showed the defendant CCTV footage of the incident which created discrepancies in his version of events previously provided by the defendant. Once he was showed [sic] CCTV footage, the defendant was unable to provide a reason as to why [MS J] appeared to be using her mobile phone in the direction of the PINOP [Ms Arud]. The defendant was unable to explain why he sat outside the premises for 6 minutes looking into the facility before entering.
Subsequently in these proceedings, Mr Welscher's affidavit evidence did not address his nor Ms J's behaviour during this incident. Rather, he gave evidence that he, X and Ms J were "coincidentally ... at the same place as [Mr D, Ms Arud and Y] at [O Business] [sic] in [City Q] in [February 2024]" and that he intended to defend the then-upcoming ADVO proceedings in relation to the making of a provisional ADVO in April 2024 for the protection of Ms Arud and the charges against him of breach of the ADVO protecting Mr D. He also gave "evidence" that the provisional ADVO and breach charge were, respectively, "a reaction of [sic] the March 2024 police check on Y where Ms Arud was caught lying to the court of [sic] her living arrangements" and "[Mr D's] complaint was in [March] the day after the police welfare check to say I saw him 44 days prior". Under cross examination, when the discrepancies between what Mr Welscher had told the police in relation to this incident and what was revealed in the CCTV footage were put to him, Mr Welscher admitted that Ms J had exited the car, but said that she did so as she was trying to see if Ms Arud was at the recreational facility - X apparently having spotted Ms Arud's car in the parking lot. Mr Welscher did not admit that Ms J was using her phone, but Ms J gave evidence that she was using the photo feature on her phone to try and zoom in and see if Ms Arud was at the facility. Mr Welscher was again preoccupied with deflecting:
Counsel for the Mother: CCTV showed that you were in fact there for about six minutes
[Mr Welscher]: Correct
Counsel for the Mother: Which is contrary to what you told police prior to being shown the CCTV footage
[Mr Welscher]: This complaint was nearly 70 days later
Her Honour: Is that contrary -
Counsel for the Mother: Answer the question
[Mr Welscher]: It is, but 70 days later
Counsel for the Mother: You told the police one story, then told them another story once you had seen the CCTV footage
[Mr Welscher]: I didn't realise we sat there and spoke for so long in the car
In fact, the charge of breaching the ADVO and the application for an ADVO were withdrawn by police, and nothing much was made of the actual incident during the final hearing, but I am satisfied that Mr Welscher lied to police initially, and then obfuscated and deflected in his evidence in this Court. I have approached Mr Welscher's evidence with caution and did not believe some of it - as I set out below.
60CC How a court determines what is in a child's best interests
General considerations
(2) ...the court must consider the following matters:
(a) what arrangements would promote the safety (including safety from being subjected to, or exposed to, family violence, abuse, neglect, or other harm) of:
(i) the child; and
(ii) each person who has care of the child (whether or not a person has parental responsibility for the child);
(b) any views expressed by the child;
(c) the developmental, psychological, emotional and cultural needs of the child;
(d) the capacity of each person who has or is proposed to have parental responsibility for the child to provide for the child's developmental, psychological, emotional and cultural needs;
(e) the benefit to the child of being able to have a relationship with the child's parents, and other people who are significant to the child, where it is safe to do so;
(f) anything else that is relevant to the particular circumstances of the child.
(2A) In considering the matters set out in paragraph (2)(a), the court must include consideration of:
(a) any history of family violence, abuse or neglect involving the child or a person caring for the child (whether or not the person had parental responsibility for the child); and
(b) any family violence order that applies or has applied to the child or a member of the child's family.
I am also required to apply s 60CG of the Act which provides:
(1) In considering what order to make, the court must, to the extent that it is possible to do so consistently with the child's best interests being the paramount consideration, ensure that the order:
(a) is consistent with any family violence order; and
(b) does not expose a person to an unacceptable risk of family violence.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)(b), the court may include in the order any safeguards that it considers necessary for the safety of those affected by the order.
FACTUAL FINDINGS AND ANALYSIS OF S 60CC FACTORS
On about January 2020, as I explain below, this was the first time that [Mr Welscher] left me outside as he said he would. Thereafter, it became normal for [Mr Welscher] to regularly do this, and I recall that [Mr Welscher] would lock me out on a weekly basis and say to me words to the following effect "now think about what you have done."
I recall that after the first time [Mr Welscher] left me outside I would initially plead with him to let me in and say words to the effect "[Mr Welscher], I beg you, please let me in, it is cold, and I want to come inside". [Mr Welscher] however did not respond. After a couple of hours of not responding, [Mr Welscher] would open a window and say to me words to the following effect "get off the patio as I don't want the kids to see you". I would then have to sleep in the bushes. The next day, [Mr Welscher] would open the door and find me and say to me words to the following effect "get in and make us some breakfast.
Notwithstanding the incredible nature of this evidence - most notably that Ms Arud would regularly sleep in the bushes after being put outside, rather than seek refuge somewhere else - Ms Arud was not challenged about it.
... I would expect that if somebody was experiencing the kind of cognitive impacts and limitations that you describe there in relation to trauma, that there would be other evidence that trauma is also an issue for that person in relation to for example psychological symptoms, ill mental health, reactions in other situations that were consistent with trauma and that was absent in this case. So, my view was not that the experience of trauma has led to those cognitive deficits ...
The other things that I would be looking for would be psychological symptoms, distress, nightmares, flashbacks, reactivity, emotional dysregulation and so on. I would expect to see avoidance behaviours, so manifestation of particular choices that a person makes to avoid trauma-related triggers, and I would expect to see impacts on relationships and certainly we can see impacts on the relationships with the father in this case, but that didn't broaden out to other matters. Even in my office when I am talking about these issues, I didn't see those signs ...
there were no signs of any form of distress, disturbance, shaking, resistance, sweating, discomfort, tearfulness, nothing that I would commonly see - rather, there was just this blanket; everything's fine, I'm fine, there's no problems, but all this horrific abuse has occurred.
This was consistent with Ms Arud's presentation in the witness box - while she was teary at times, she was largely calm and detached. Given the Single Expert's evidence, I am not able to find that Ms Arud is affected by trauma caused by Mr Welscher.
Work out where your [sic] living because I'm living in [Town S] house. I'm not helping you at all now. No more nice, your pussy can't pay bills anymore that's all you brought to this relationship and that's all you are for the next guy. Anorexic sloppy pussy. Your [sic] not getting a house I don't even own a house. You want one then you pay out the mortgage each month. [Town S] $15,478 and [Suburb T] house $4,727 a month also. Just because you married me doesn't mean you get to steal my stuff, I'll just make sure no one gets anything and I'll make 100% sure you go into housing commission. Think I can't do it I will blow both our worlds up. I just don't care. You wrecked my night thanks.
This message is also inconsistent with Mr Welscher's evidence under cross examination that "The only thing that I have said is if you go to court, we will lose the whole lot and the kids will get hurt." I reject that evidence.
Counsel for the Mother: In the mornings when people were getting ready for school, it was quite hectic.
[Mr Welscher]: Well it shouldn't have been, you should be organised.
Counsel for the Mother: I appreciate you like organisation, but it was hectic.
[Mr Welscher]: If you're not organised, it's stressful. Yes, she was very chaotic in the mornings because she was never organised.
Counsel for the Mother: It would have been for most people a fairly chaotic situation to get four children out of bed and to go to school.
[Mr Welscher]: No
Counsel for the Mother: At least some of the children wouldn't have wanted to get out of bed or wouldn't get out of bed when they were told.
[Mr Welscher]: It comes down to routine.
Counsel for the Mother: And discipline.
[Mr Welscher]: No, it's not discipline. If you have everything ready for the children to go to school, it is nice and easy.
This interchange was consistent with what the Single Expert observed to be Mr Welscher's over-inflated sense of his own parenting abilities, and in a context where it was uncontested that he was frequently away from the home and for long periods of time, leaving Ms Arud to care for the children alone. Mr Welscher had told the Single Expert that "'they should textbook what'" he does as a parent. Notwithstanding, I find that there were times, at least during 2022, when Ms Arud's parenting descended into at least verbally abusive behaviour.
I have seen the screenshot messages in [Mr Welscher's] affidavit regarding threats to "stab" and "drown" [Mr Welscher's] mistresses and child. I do not recall sending these text messages. I, however, do recall that I was often upset and angry would [sic] engage in arguments with [Mr Welscher]. During those arguments I felt as though [Mr Welscher] would say words to fire me up.
I would then respond irrationally. I am not giving an excuse; however, [Mr Welscher] often aggravated me after I found out about his infidelity.
Under cross examination, she confirmed her evidence that she could not recall sending many of the messages. When pressed, she said that she thought Mr Welscher had sent some of them from her phone to try to discourage her and the other woman with whom he was having a relationship, Ms U, from communicating with each other. That is highly unlikely. Further, it was the first time this evidence was given. I do not believe it. I find that Ms Arud sent the messages. They are troubling messages, involving threats of physical violence towards Ms U and foul language. Nonetheless, Mr Welscher was not sufficiently concerned to stop travelling overseas nor to seek support or help for Ms Arud. There is no evidence that he felt coerced, controlled or in fear as a result of the messages. Likewise, Ms Arud sent abusive messages to Mr Welscher about Ms J in 2022, some of which were directed to Ms J. Again, there is no evidence that anyone felt coerced, controlled or in fear as a result of the messages, but they were entirely inappropriate and evidence of Ms Arud's inability to appropriately regulate herself at that time.
(1) In September 2022, Mr Welscher was arrested and charged with common assault and stalk/intimidate with the intention to cause fear/physical harm (domestic) in respect of the incident that occurred between himself and Ms Arud on [...] September 2022, and was served with a provisional ADVO for the protection of Ms Arud. On [...] September 2023, following a two-day hearing at City Q Local Court, these charges and the final ADVO application were dismissed.
(2) In July 2023, following a defended final hearing at City Q Local Court in relation to the charge of intentionally distribute image without consent (DV) (in which [Mr Welscher] was found guilty but no conviction was recorded), a final ADVO was made protecting Mr D from Mr Welscher. This ADVO expired in July 2025.
(3) In April 2024, a provisional ADVO was made by police for the protection of Ms Arud from Mr Welscher. The application for a final ADVO against Mr Welscher has been dismissed.
(4) In November 2023, Ms Arud was charged with common assault in relation to the incident in September 2022, and a provisional ADVO was made for the protection of Mr Welscher with limited conditions. In February 2024, Ms Arud was convicted of common assault in her absence, and a final ADVO was made for the protection of Mr Welscher. This assault conviction, as well as the final ADVO, were annulled by consent in March 2024, and a new provisional ADVO was made against Ms Arud. The application for a final ADVO for the protection of Mr Welscher from Ms Arud, along with a hearing of the criminal charges, is set down for hearing in December 2025.
Through my weekly counselling, I truly believe I have been able to get past what happened during my life with [Mr Welscher] and I now do not associate myself with people that would treat me the way [Mr Welscher] treated me in the past.
I am able to discern between people who have similar characteristics to [Mr Welscher] and others who have hurt me in the past. For this reason, I choose to keep my circle small and only surround myself and Y with people who are beneficial to our wellbeing, including selective people from Y's school.
[X] has stated negative past experiences relating to his mother and is closed to exploring repair in this relationship at this time. He has also been cautious in his expressions that he perceives may cause issues for his father.
Ms Arud accepts that X should remain living with Mr Welscher and should only spend time with her if he wishes to.
The primary reason for this is that the children are not well placed to make judgements about what is in their best interests. They have been subject to an extended period of what I will refer to as trauma through the acrimonious, aggressive and protracted separation of their parents and both have been influenced unduly by their parents, and others in their network, which has included being inappropriately involved in and informed about the Court and legal process. Both [X and Y], too, are struggling with mental health concerns on the basis of their experiences, which has impacted on their views.
I formed the view that [Ms Arud] is highly reliant on others for anything other than basic functioning and I also believe that she would be highly vulnerable to manipulation and influence. Further to this, and with respect to her parenting, this assessment also raises concerns about [Ms Arud's] capacity to become reliant on her children, such that they are parentified and feel responsible for maintaining her wellbeing. There is certainly evidence for this with respect to [Y], including the observations of the counsellor working with both and with the Contact Centre on the basis of supervised visits.
[Ms Arud] has blurred parent-child boundaries and has little insight into [Y] and her needs as a separate individual. Consequently, it is suggested that [Y] has organised herself around her mother's reinforcement, behaving in superficially pleasing and placating ways that have had, and will continue to have, the repeated effect of stunting her social-emotional and identity development.
grandiose self-statements, an inflated sense of [s]elf worth, a preparedness to manipulate others and push boundaries or "cut corners" to meet his needs, his reactions to perceived "narcissistic injuries" when things do not go his way or [Mr Welscher] may be seen poorly by others, blaming others for perceived setbacks and failures and being inflexible with others who do not support his view.
[Mr G] stated that [Mr Welscher] has been a good parent to [Y] and [X] and he believes that [Mr Welscher] care about his children and is not abusive. [Mr G] added that although he does not like [Mr Welscher], he believes that [Y] and [X] will be best off in their father's care because he 'is a real dad', who loves them and takes good care of them.
Following the incident of September 2022 ... [X], [Y] and I went to live with my sister [Ms R], and [Mr G] went to live with his friend Jaquin's [sic] family. As [Ms R] had no room to accommodate [Mr G], I made contact with [Mr Z's] father [Mr AA] and said to him words to the following effect "Is it ok if [Mr G] stays with you as he is attending [CC School], which is down the road from where you live." [Mr AA] then responded saying words to the following effect "yes that is fine."
Ms Arud gave evidence that she "regularly would stop by Mr AA's [sic] place and provide a bag of fresh clothing and underwear for Mr G to assist him. Mr G never saw me." While Mr Welscher's conduct in sending Mr G an intimate picture of his mother and describing her to him as a "whore" likely played a role in the breakdown of the relationship between Mr G and his mother, Ms Arud has been unable to restore her relationship with him since then. She gave evidence which tells of her inadequacy and self-focus in that regard:
At that time, I let Mr G deal with things on his own as I was also dealing with a number of legal matters involving X, as well as dealing with the humiliation I felt after the release of the video, not having a place to stay and home-schooling X and Y.
A poignant text message from Mr G to his mother about the time of his 18th birthday in 2024 appears to have been the last contact Ms Arud had from Mr G:
Will always love ya mum, but it's [sic] sucks to say there's been a huge disconnection and with how life has changed for me, I've been away from any sort of family for a while you know this, my siblings are always gonna be in my life I'm not gone for ever [sic], I have just really been struggling for a while that's my life only one who can fix is me, Heartbreaking but life has turned and I have no long [sic] any interest in fake fake family and people in my life.
Tellingly, Ms Arud describes this as "a long heartfelt message that showed me that he still cared about [Y] and I." She also gave evidence in which she explains the breakdown in her relationship with Mr G as solely the consequence of Mr Welscher showing him the intimate image. As the Single Expert opined, this "speaks to how out of touch Ms Arud is with the reality of her children's experience."
(1) At a contact visit in July 2023, Mr Welscher is recorded as having advised the P Family Services manager that he had "explained to [X] that he is going to get [Y] back soon and so he will be able to see her more often and it will be ok."
(2) P Family Services suspended Mr Welscher's time in February 2024. Subsequently, Mr Welscher had a number of confrontational communications with P Family Services complaining about the contents of the letter he had received from P Family Services advising him that he was suspended. His communications included some intimidatory aspects. For example, "I'm not the person to play silly stuff with" and telling P Family Services that he had contacted the attorney general and that if the letter is not retracted there would be an investigation as P Family Services have a duty of care and had not reported any abuse and Y was copping abuse at home. He communicated that this was going to "get messy" for P Family Services.
(3) On the resumption of supervised time in January 2025, Mr Welscher had been advised of Y's requests that he sit by a window and allow her to lead any interactions between them, but nevertheless did not comply - namely, he initiated conversation with Y even though he had been asked not to, and when she did not reply, asked her if she had lost her tongue.
(4) In February 2025, he spoke about the arrangements in relation to his time with Y in front of X.
(5) In March 2025, Y and Ms Arud attended the contact centre for a visit between X and Y, but Mr Welscher had messaged P Family Services that morning to cancel the visit and future visits. He did this on the basis that he was concerned that further allegations would be made against him.
[Mr Welscher] engaged in his own individual family-focussed sessions (five in total) and has also participated in two joint sessions with his partner, [Ms J]. The focus of these sessions has been to provide support to [Mr Welscher] in developing his parenting approach and skills to assist [X] in managing his emotional wellbeing. [Mr Welscher] has also used these sessions to explore and better understand the potential implications of [Y] coming into his care, should the Court decide that it is in her best interests, including considerations and preparations that may support both children through such a transition.
would have 'some kind of impact' but he does not believe that this would be significant or long-lasting, suggesting that [Y] would be relieved to be with him and away from her mother. [Mr Welscher] expressed the belief that 'the only reason' [Y] remains with [Ms Arud] is 'all the lies' and if she lived with him, [Mr Welscher] believes that [Y] would not want to leave.
[Mr Welscher] acknowledged that [Y] may miss her mother but he believes that this is because living with [Ms Arud] 'is all she knows' and that 'once she realises there is a much better life, she will sigh in relief'. Further to this, [Mr Welscher] does not believe that [Y] will need any support to cope with the transition other than that which can be provided by [Ms J] and his mother.
I think, knowing [Y], I think for the first few days she might be a little bit upset, but then after that, I think she will come around and [Y], yeah, [Y] will be fine. [Y] would spend a huge amount of time with me, especially weekends, and going away and doing other things, [Y] was my little shadow.
That is a really hard question, a bit of an open question, just make sure that I won't bring anything up unless she brings it up, make sure she is comforted, we just, we bought her a little cat the other day, we bought a nice little pet for her, and [Ms J] is also really good, she deals with traumatised kids and she is there sometimes, so, you know, and I have always got [Ms J] through a phone call if I need a little bit of help with her, so I think if there is any kind of problem, then yeah, we will just deal with it.
It is going to be very difficult, and I think that one of the points that I made in my conclusion is that there is very little insight on the father's part about the children's experience and needs as they are different to his own, so I think it is going to be very difficult, which is why my recommendations were that there were other people involved in that process, whether that be the father's partner, whether that be professionals, counsellors and supports, and also [X]. I don't think we can rely solely on the father to assist that transition.
As indicated above, I do not have any confidence that the necessary "scaffolding" will materialise.
The children's relationships with their parents
For any child, sibling bonds are important. These children had a real severing of their family and a polar split down the middle and family connection is even more important for these children than others...
They only have each other in a sense for understanding their experience in these years and it is going to take them a long time on how this has impacted on them and their development and they only have their sibling.
[X] has expressed mixed feelings regarding his relationship with his younger sister, [Y]. Since the last report, they have spent some time together in a supervised contact setting. [X] described the experiences as both positive and "weird", though it was not entirely clear whether he was referring to the nature of the supervised contact itself or changes in his perception of his sister, given the time they had spent apart. He expressed that it was good to see her. [X] reported that [Y] had asked their father to leave the room, which seemed to create discomfort for him ...
His mixed feelings regarding his relationship with his sister appear reflective of both the time spent apart, the unnatural nature of a supervised contact setting and perhaps alliances between family members.
the behaviour of both parties in this matter reflects a complete inability to cooperate, communicate or negotiate in the interests of their children, such that coparenting is considered impossible.
I accept that evidence. The orders which I am making require little, if any, coparenting.
I certify that the preceding one hundred and twenty-seven (127) numbered paragraphs are a true copy of the Reasons for Judgment of the Honourable Justice Behrens.