[2024] FWC 2611
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2024-10-28
Original judgment source is linked above.
[2024] FWC 2611 [Note: An appeal pursuant to s.604 (C2024/8249) was lodged against this decision.]
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
(e) On 5 October 2023, the Applicant shared a message in the WhatsApp group celebrating that Shift 2 had achieved 100% union membership. He accompanied this message with a screenshot of the spreadsheet, showing employees who were AMWU members, and wrote "Shift 2 = 100% [stars with hearts for eyes emoji]".
(h) On 15 December 2023, the Applicant was provided with allegations and invited to attend a meeting.
(i) On 18 December 2023, the Applicant attended a first meeting. The Applicant requested further and better particulars of the allegations. During the meeting, the investigator indicated he had not seen the entire WhatsApp chat. The Applicant offered to provide it to him, and later did so.
(k) On 22 February 2024, the Applicant provided his response to the Outcomes Letter.
(l) On 23 February 2024, the Applicant received a letter (Show Cause Letter) directing him to attend a meeting "to show cause why [his] employment should not be terminated on account of alleged serious misconduct". The Show Cause Letter made a new allegation (not particularised) of his behaviour having "had the effect of humiliating and intimidating other Oceaneering employees."
(m) On 27 February 2024, the Applicant attended a further meeting. There is some dispute about the respective behaviour of those in attendance.
TC-01 - Correspondence regarding Investigation Findings
TC-02 - Correspondence providing Show Cause Response
TC-03 - Correspondence regarding Termination of Employment
TC-5: Screenshot of Spreadsheet linked to Mr Rodd's Email
TC-8: Email from Applicant providing Show Cause Response
TC-9: Correspondence regarding Show Cause Interview
EP - 9: Correspondence regarding Investigation Findings
EP - 11: Show Cause Interview - Allegations of Misconduct
Applicant's Submissions in Reply - FTC - 1 - Text Exchange with "Omega" - FTC - 2 - Images and Gifs - FTC - 3 - Profit and Loss Statement
Statement of Witness - Colin Leggett - CL - 01 - Screenshot of WhatsApp Message to Applicant
'382 When a person is protected from unfair dismissal
A person is protected from unfair dismissal at a time if, at that time:
(a) the person is an employee who has completed a period of employment with his or her employer of at least the minimum employment period; and
(ii) an enterprise agreement applies to the person in relation to the employment;
(iii) the sum of the person's annual rate of earnings, and such other amounts (if any) worked out in relation to the person in accordance with the regulations, is less than the high-income threshold.'
A person has been unfairly dismissed if the FWC is satisfied that:
(b) the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; and
(c) the dismissal was not consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code; and
(d) the dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy.
Note: For the definition of consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code: see section 388.'
(a) the person's employment with his or her employer has been terminated on the employer's initiative; or
(b) the person has resigned from his or her employment, but was forced to do so because of conduct, or a course of conduct, engaged in by his or her employer.'
Was the dismissal consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code?
In considering whether it is satisfied that a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, the FWC must take into account:
(a) whether there was a valid reason for the dismissal related to the person's capacity or conduct (including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees); and
(b) whether the person was notified of that reason; and
(c) whether the person was given an opportunity to respond to any reason related to the capacity or conduct of the person; and
(d) any unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow the person to have a support person present to assist at any discussions relating to dismissal; and
(e) if the dismissal related to unsatisfactory performance by the person - whether the person had been warned about that unsatisfactory performance before the dismissal; and
(f) the degree to which the size of the employer's enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(g) the degree to which the absence of dedicated human resource management specialists or expertise in the enterprise would be likely to impact on the procedures followed in effecting the dismissal; and
(h) any other matters that the FWC considers relevant.'
'.... It may be that the termination is harsh but not unjust or unreasonable, unjust but not harsh or unreasonable, or unreasonable but not harsh or unjust. In many cases the concepts will overlap. Thus, the one termination of employment may be unjust because the employee was not guilty of the misconduct on which the employer acted, may be unreasonable because it was decided upon inferences which could not reasonably have been drawn from the material before the employer, and may be harsh in its consequences for the personal and economic situation of the employee or because it is disproportionate to the gravity of the misconduct in respect of which the employer acted.'

We expect each employee to promote a positive working environment for all.
Our Company's employment decisions will be based on reasons related to our business, such as job performance, individual skills and talents and other business-related factors. Our Company policy requires adherence to all national, state or other local employment laws. We will not tolerate illegal discrimination of any kind.[20]
Note that one example of laws both Oceaneering and the employee are bound to comply with are those relating to Privacy, at both the State and Federal level. The Privacy Act protects the way an individual's personal information is handled and Oceaneering is compliant with current legislation.
In the conduct of an employee's work, you may come across private information relating to another employee, a client or to a potential employee. This may be during the recruitment process, the Professional Development and Review process, a disciplinary process or simply during the course of a confidential conversation as part of your job.
Any such personal information should be stored in a confidential and secure manner. This information should not be used for any purpose other than that for which it was intended. This information should not be discussed with anyone, or passed to any third party other than one who is clearly required to perform the task for which the information was gathered. No information should be shared or requested about a third party unless you have been authorised by the person concerned.
When this information is no longer required it should be destroyed. Oceaneering will take any breaches of the privacy laws by employees very seriously and may resort to disciplinary action or termination, as appropriate.
Employees should note that whilst people generally have a right to request access to their personal information that there are certain exceptions that relate to the employer and employee relationship and Oceaneering may choose to rely on such exceptions from time to time, as it deems necessary.[21]
Section 5.1 of the same manual emphasises adherence to company rules regarding confidentiality, fairness, and respect in all dealings:
Oceaneering employees and other persons present at a Workplace must not engage in Discriminatory Harassment. Discriminatory Harassment is conduct by one person toward another person on the basis of an Attribute that is reasonably likely to humiliate, offend, intimidate or distress that person. A person can be subjected to Discriminatory Harassment on the basis of their association with someone with an Attribute.
It is irrelevant whether or not the person engaging in the harassment intends for the conduct to humiliate, offend, intimidate or distress the other person. Harassing behaviour can range from very serious to less serious. One-off incidents can still constitute harassment.
(a) I had had very little contact with other employees since my first interview, due to breaks and the type of work I had done in that time.
(b) During one day I worked, I noticed a change in people's attitude to me. One person in particular whom I know to be an active union member wouldn't look me in the eye or engage with me.
(c) I believed that Travis Cairns or anyone else should be held accountable for these unacceptable, illegal actions. I thought it was clearly a breach of Company policies and I believed that the Company has a duty of care to myself and any other worker that is in the same position as myself.
(d) If the Company did not make an appropriate response to the behaviour of Travis Cairns, then I would take my complaint further.
(e) I suggested that the AREEA representative speak with some other employees about whether they have been bullied in the past.
On or around 5 October 2023, in a group chat forum of approximately 29 participants, you published the personal details of employees on Shift 1 and Shift 2 including phone numbers and whether or not those individuals were members of the union.
On the balance of probabilities, Allegation One is substantiated regarding the disclosure of individuals who were not union members and amounts to a breach of:
Your communication in this chat forum has had the effect of targeting and/or marginalising those on Shift 1 and Shift 2 who may not wish to join the union.
On the balance of probabilities allegation two is substantiated and amounts to a breach of the:
The result of your communications and disclosure of personal information is that individuals who are not members of the union have been harassed and/or marginalised creating a health and safety risk.
The behaviour did humiliate, offend, intimidate and distress the Primary Complainants. The Attribute in question was their non-membership of the AMWU.
The six weeks between the first and second interviews had not diminished the psychological impact on these employees. It is reasonable to conclude that the conduct of Cairns has had the affect of engaging in Discriminatory Harassment.
On the balance of probabilities allegation three is substantiated and amounts to a breach of the:
Your communications are alleged to have infringed an employees' freedom of association right to not become members of an industrial association (i.e union).
The fact that Witness 2 revealed the repeated nature of Cairns' public recruitment attempts of non-members on his shift indicates that Cairns was not prepared to accept any responses that were non-compliant. This could be construed as an infringement of an employees' freedom of association right to not become a member of an industrial association under the Fair Work Act 2009.
On the balance of probabilities allegation four is partially substantiated and amounts to a breach of the:
a) resulted in him publishing "personal details of employees on Shift 1 and Shift 2 including phone numbers and whether or not those individuals were union members." (Allegation 1), > > b) had "the effect of targeting and/or marginalising those on Shift 1 and Shift 2 who may not wish to join the union" (Allegation 2), > > c) resulted in "individuals who are not members of the union [being] harassed and/or marginalised creating a health and safety risk." (Allegation 3).
a) 19 people are listed.
b) in respect of 9 people, there is a blank cell under the heading "Membership".
c) in respect of 8 people, there is a blank cell under the heading "Phone".
d) in respect of 6 people, there is a blank cell under both the "Membership" and "Phone" headings. Witnesses Alpha and Omega are 2 of the 6.
Allegation 2 - had the effect of targeting/marginalising
Allegation 3 - resulted in harassment/marginalisation
'[73] As a matter of logic procedural fairness would require that an employee be notified of a valid reason for their termination before any decision is taken to terminate their employment in order to provide them with an opportunity to respond to the reason identified. Section 170(3)(b) and (c) would have very little (if any) practical effect if it was sufficient to notify employees and give them an opportunity to respond after a decision had been taken to terminate their employment. Much like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.'
Opportunity to respond - s.387(c)
Unreasonable refusal by the employer to allow a support person - s.387(d)
Warnings regarding unsatisfactory performance - s.387(e)
Impact of the size of the Respondent on procedures followed - s.387(f)
Absence of dedicated human resources management specialist/expertise on procedures followed - s.387(g)
Other relevant matters - s.387(h)
a) unjust because the Applicant was not guilty of the alleged misconduct,
b) unreasonable because the evidence before the Respondent did not support the conclusion in the Outcomes Letter, and
c) harsh on the Applicant due to the economic and personal consequences resulting from being dismissed.
"390 When the FWC may order remedy for unfair dismissal
(1) Subject to subsection (3), the FWC may order a person's reinstatement, or the payment of compensation to a person, if:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that the person was protected from unfair dismissal (see Division 2) at the time of being dismissed; and
(b) the person has been unfairly dismissed (see Division 3).
(2) The Commission may make the order only if the person has made an application under section 394.
(3) The Commission must not order the payment of compensation to the person unless:
(a) the FWC is satisfied that reinstatement of the person is inappropriate; and
(b) the FWC considers an order for payment of compensation is appropriate in all the circumstances of the case.
Note: Division 5 deals with procedural matters such as applications for remedies."
"[26] Whenever an employer dismisses an employee for misconduct, assuming the employer is acting honestly, there is an implied loss of trust and confidence in the employee. If it is subsequently found that the termination was harsh, unjust or unreasonable it is appropriate to consider whether the relationship can be restored if the employee is reinstated. That question cannot be answered solely by reference to the views of management witnesses. All of the circumstances should be taken into account. In this case there are a number of relevant matters. They include the fact that not all of the conduct alleged against the respondent has been proven, the respondent's apparently unblemished record in the performance of his flying duties over a period of 14 years, the fact that the misconduct is not directly related to the performance of the respondent's professional duties as a first officer and Rex's failure to pursue any substantial disciplinary action against another pilot who, it is alleged, has been guilty of misconduct at least as serious as that of which the respondent was accused. The significance of the last consideration is that the pilot in question is still carrying out the full range of his duties, despite allegations of conduct of a kind which, in the respondent's case, is said to have led to an irrevocable loss of trust and confidence. Assuming a positive approach on both sides we find there is a reasonable chance that the employment relationship can be restored with the necessary level of mutual trust."[65]
a) High compression rosters can lead to fatigue. > > b) Long hours, physically taxing roles, and the often-hazardous conditions can contribute to stress, anxiety, and fatigue > > c) A stoic/macho culture can affect the mental health of workers. > > d) The fact that a FIFO worker may be absent from their partner and family for long periods of time, can place a strain on a worker's relationships. > > e) Being a FIFO worker also means you are a FIFO parent. I note that the Applicant has 3 children, 2 of whom are still school age.
(1) An order for the payment of compensation to a person must be an order that the person's employer at the time of the dismissal pay compensation to the person in lieu of reinstatement.
(2) In determining an amount for the purposes of an order under subsection (1), the FWC must take into account all the circumstances of the case including:
(a) the effect of the order on the viability of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the length of the person's service with the employer; and
(c) the remuneration that the person would have received, or would have been likely to receive, if the person had not been dismissed; and
(d) the efforts of the person (if any) to mitigate the loss suffered by the person because of the dismissal; and
(e) the amount of any remuneration earned by the person from employment or other work during the period between the dismissal and the making of the order for compensation; and
(f) the amount of any income reasonably likely to be so earned by the person during the period between the making of the order for compensation and the actual compensation; and
(g) any other matter that the FWC considers relevant.
(3) If the FWC is satisfied that misconduct of a person contributed to the employer's decision to dismiss the person, the FWC must reduce the amount it would otherwise order under subsection (1) by an appropriate amount on account of the misconduct.
(4) The amount ordered by the FWC to be paid to a person under subsection (1) must not include a component by way of compensation for shock, distress or humiliation, or other analogous hurt, caused to the person by the manner of the person's dismissal.
(5) The amount ordered by the FWC to be paid to a person under subsection (1) must not exceed the lesser of:
(a) the amount worked out under subsection (6); and
(b) half the amount of the high income threshold immediately before the dismissal.
Note: subsection 392(5) indexed to $61,650 from 1 July 2012
(6) The amount is the total of the following amounts:
(whichever is higher) for any period of employment with the employer during the 26 weeks immediately before the dismissal; and
(b) if the employee was on leave without pay or without full pay while so employed during any part of that period - the amount of remuneration taken to have been received by the employee for the period of leave in accordance with the regulations.'
Remuneration that would have been received: s.392(2)(c)
"... before the events leading to termination, [Mr Cairns] had a spotless work record over 8 years. He enjoyed and was proud of this job, which was high paying. He was a highly skilled worker in an industry facing, on Oceaneering's case, a skills shortage. It is more likely than not that he would have remained in Oceaneering's employ for at least three years. In that period, he would have earned at least $841,557.60 plus superannuation."[72]
a) the highly skilled nature of the Applicant's work in the NDT industry,
b) that the Applicant made no attempt to stay in the NDT industry,
c) there exists a high demand for employees with offshore experience with the Applicant's skills,
d) the Applicant has "freely chosen, which is his right, to vacate the industry and embark on a new career by purchasing a "Hire a Hubby" franchise,
e) the Applicant "has chosen to move to a significantly lower paying enterprise".
"... some reduction in compensation is appropriate to reflect the likelihood of further income being earned, although this cannot be mechanically quantified. Given the inherent uncertainty, this discount should be no more than 40% of the remuneration that Mr Cairns would otherwise have earned."[80]
a) unjust because the Applicant was not guilty of the alleged misconduct, and
b) unreasonable because the evidence before the Respondent did not support the conclusion in the Outcomes Letter.

Mr David Parker (Australian Resources & Energy Employer Association) for the Respondent
Respondent's final submissions filed on 19 August 2024
Applicant's final submissions filed on 27 August 2024
[1] Form F2 at pg. 5 DTB; Form F3 at pg. 27 DTB.
[2] Witness Statement of Applicant at pg. 48 DTB; Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 182.
[4] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [10].
[5] Applicant's Outline of Submissions at pg. 38 DTB.
[7] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 185 DTB; Applicant's Submissions in Reply at pg. 300.
[8] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 185 DTB.
[11] Termination Letter at pg. 175 DTB.
[12] Sayer v Melsteel [2011] FWAFB 7498.
[13] Shepherd v Felt & Textiles of Australia Ltd (1931) 45 CLR 359 at 373, 377-378.
[14] Selvachandran v Peterson Plastics Pty Ltd [1995] IRCA 333; (1995) 62 IR 371, 373.
[16] Respondent's Closing Submissions at [4].
[17]18 Respondent's Closing Submissions at [14].
[19] Annexure TC-6 - DTB [92]-[133]; Transcript PN1228 - PN1243
[20] Code of Business Conduct and Ethics, Section 6 at pg. 106 DTB.
[21] Human Resources Policy Manual, Section 4.9.1 at pg. 115 DTB.
[22] Ibid, Section 5.1 at pg. 118 and 119 DTB.
[23] Fair Treatment at Work, Section 7.2 at pg. 127 - 128 DTB.
[24] Witness Statement - Alpha at pg. 202 DTB.
[25] Outcome Letter at Pg. 15 - 16 DTB.
[26] Confirmed in the Respondent's Closing Submissions, para 44.
[27] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 189 DTB.
[28] Respondent's Closing Submissions at [22].
[29] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [6] - [12].
[30] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [13].
[31] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [15].
[32] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [19].
[33] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [14].
[34] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [18] - [20].
[35] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [21].
[36] Exhibit 5.1, Further Witness Statement of Travis Cairns, para [11].
[43] Chubb Security Australia Pty Ltd v Thomas Print S2679 at [41].
[44] Crozier v Palazzo Corporation Pty Ltd (2000) 98 IR 137, 151.
[45] Previsic v Australian Quarantine Inspection Services Print Q3730.
[48] RMIT v Asher [2010] FWAFB 1200; (2010) 194 IR 1, 14-15.
[49] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 190 DTB
[50] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [22] - [33].
[51] Applicant's Outline of Submissions at pg. 45 DTB.
[52] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [26].
[53] Respondent's Outline of Submissions at pg. 191 DTB.
[54] Applicant's Closing Submissions at [31].
[55] Annetta v Ansett Australia Ltd (2000) 98 IR 233, 237.
[56] Applicant's Closing Submissions [35].
[57] Applicant's Closing Submissions [36].
[58] Applicant's Written Submissions [70 - 72] at pg. 46 of DTB.
[59] Applicant's Written Submissions [73 - 77] at pg. 46 - 47 of DTB.
[60] Applicant's Written Submissions [78 - 80] at pg. 47 of DTB.
[61] Respondent's Written Submissions [60 - 66] at pg. 194 - 195 of DTB.
[62] Respondent's Written Submissions [56] at pg. 193 of DTB.
[63] Respondent's Written Submissions [57] at pg. 193 of DTB and Respondent's Closing Submissions [73].
[69] Hanson Construction Materials Pty Ltd v Darren Pericich [2018 FWCFB 5960 at (39).
[71] Smith v Moore Paragon Australia Ltd [2004] AIRC 57; (2004) 130 IR 446 at para. 32; see also Haigh v Bradken Resources Pty Ltd [2014] FWCFB 236; (2014) 240 IR 366 at para. 12.
[72] Applicant's Closing Submissions dated 27 August 2024.
[77] Biviano v Suji Kim Collection PR915963 at [34].
[78] Respondent's Closing Submissions, para 88.
[79] Applicant's Closing Submissions, para 44.
[80] Applicant's Closing Submissions, para 45.
[82] Smith v Moore Paragon Australia Ltd [2004] AIRC 57; (2004) 130 IR 446 at para. 32; see also Haigh v Bradken Resources Pty Ltd [2014] FWCFB 236; (2014) 240 IR 366 at para. 12.
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Travis Cairns
Oceaneering Australia Pty Ltd [2024] FWC 2611
(1995) 185 CLR 410
(1931) 45 CLR 359
(1995) 62 IR 371
(2000) 98 IR 137
(2010) 194 IR 1
(2000) 98 IR 233
(1998) 88 IR 21
(2004) 130 IR 446
(2014) 240 IR 366