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[2025] NSWCATOD 88
NCAT Occupational
2025-07-10
Original judgment source is linked above.
The publication or broadcast of the name of the person referred to in these reasons as Ms X is prohibited. This order is made under section 64(1)(a) of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013.
Note: A Reference to the name of a person includes a reference to any information, picture or other material that identifies the person or is likely to lead to the identification of the person.
I, Brett Whitworth, Deputy Secretary, Office of Local Government, Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure, under delegation from the Secretary, Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure, by ORDER, direct that Councillor Andrew Thaler of the Snow Monaro Regional Council (Council):
1. Be suspended from civic office for a period of 3 (three) months under s 440I(2)(g) of the Local Government Act 1993 (the Act); and
2. Within 14 days of the date of this Order apologise for the misconduct under s 440(2)(d) of the Act. Council Andrew Thaler must make the apology:
(a) in writing;
(b) addressed to the individuals named in online comments set out in the Departmental Report dated 15 April 2025;
(c) publicly available on any social media profile and/or account with whom you have a content creation or production contributor affiliation; and
(d) make available to the General Manager (GM) of Council for publication by the GM in any manner the GM believes is necessary to reach the greatest number of Snowy Monaro residents.
The period of suspension commences on 13 May 2025 and ends on 4 August 2025.
The Secretary's power to take disciplinary action
(1) The Departmental Chief Executive may take disciplinary action against a councillor if the Departmental Chief Executive is satisfied that -
(a) the councillor has engaged in misconduct (whether on the basis of a departmental report or a report by the Ombudsman or Independent Commission Against Corruption), and
(b) disciplinary action is warranted. (Emphasis added)
Secretary's power to arrange for a departmental report to be prepared without an investigation
(5A) The Departmental Chief Executive may arrange for a departmental report to be prepared about whether a councillor has engaged in misconduct without an investigation being carried out under this section if -
(a) the matter has been referred to the Departmental Chief Executive by the council and the Departmental Chief Executive is of the opinion that the report may be based on the findings of an investigation conducted by or on behalf of the council, or
(b) the Departmental Chief Executive is of the opinion that the alleged misconduct, if proven, would be minor in nature and, were it to warrant disciplinary action, the disciplinary action would be comprised only of counselling or reprimanding the councillor, or
(c) the Departmental Chief Executive otherwise considers it appropriate to do so.
The decision to arrange a departmental report without an investigation
Can you please commence a section 440H investigation and Departmental report as per option one please.
Thanks
Section 440H(5A)(c) of the LGA allows the Departmental Chief Executive to arrange for a departmental report without an investigation being carried out if the Departmental Chief Executive considers it appropriate to do so. In this case, I think it would be appropriate as we are already in possession of the relevant evidence (recording of the video and transcript).
We can commence a 440H investigation, encompassing a number of complaints (not just this one incident) and concurrently issue a compliance order on Councillor Thaler." (Emphasis added.)
On 10 March 2025, the OLG Deputy Secretary, exercising authority under s 440H(5A) of the Act, determined that a departmental report should be prepared concerning the alleged misconduct of Cr Thaler. This decision was reached based on the information available to the OLG, and without the need for a formal investigation under s 440H of the Act.
Councillor Thaler's general submissions that the Secretary's decision is invalid
(6) The preparation of a departmental report is a prerequisite to a decision by the Departmental Chief Executive to take disciplinary action against a councillor, unless the disciplinary action is taken on the basis of a report by the Ombudsman or Independent Commission Against Corruption. (Emphasis added.)
27 Secondly, powers are conferred on the Departmental Chief Executive [6] to conduct an investigation to determine whether a councillor has engaged in misconduct. Such an investigation may be carried out "if the general manager of a council refers an allegation of misconduct by a councillor to the Departmental Chief Executive": s 440H(2)(b). . .
28 Thirdly, the Departmental Chief Executive may arrange for a "departmental report" to be prepared in relation to an investigation: s 440H(5). A report may also be prepared without an investigation where the Chief Executive is satisfied that the report may be based on the findings of an investigation conducted by or on behalf of the council: s 440H(5A)(a). That occurred in the present case. Importantly, "[t]he preparation of a departmental report is a pre-requisite to a decision by the Departmental Chief Executive to take disciplinary action against a councillor": s 440H(6).
79 Making and determination of external appeals
(1) An external appeal may be made to the Tribunal by a person entitled to do so under enabling legislation on such a basis or grounds, or in such circumstances, as may be provided by that legislation.
(2) In determining an external appeal, the Tribunal may -
(a) in the case of enabling legislation that specifies the orders that may be made by the Tribunal on the appeal - make any of those orders, or
(b) in any other case - make such orders as it considers appropriate in light of its decision on the appeal, including (but not limited to) orders that provide for any one or more of the following -
(i) the appeal to be allowed or dismissed,
(ii) the decision under appeal to be confirmed, affirmed or varied,
(iii) the decision under appeal to be quashed or set aside,
(iv) the decision under appeal to be quashed or set aside and for another decision to be substituted for it,
(v) the whole or any part of the case to be reconsidered by the decision-maker whose decision is under appeal, either with or without further evidence, in accordance with the directions of the Tribunal.
440L Appeals against disciplinary action
(1) A councillor against whom disciplinary action (other than disciplinary action comprised only of counselling or reprimanding) is taken by the Departmental Chief Executive may appeal to the Civil and Administrative Tribunal against the decision of the Departmental Chief Executive to take disciplinary action.
Note.
An appeal under this section is an external appeal to the Tribunal for the purposes of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013.
(2) An appeal must be made within 28 days after the day on which the councillor is notified of the Departmental Chief Executive's decision to take disciplinary action against the councillor.
(3) The Tribunal may stay any decision made by the Departmental Chief Executive until such time as the Tribunal determines the appeal.
(3A) If the Tribunal stays a decision for suspension of a councillor for misconduct that has resulted or will result in disqualification from civic office under section 275(1A), the disqualification ceases to have effect or does not take effect (as the case requires) until such time as the appeal is finally determined or withdrawn.
(4) On hearing the appeal, the Tribunal may -
(a) confirm the decision, or
(b) amend the decision, or
(c) set aside the decision and substitute a new decision.
(5) If a decision is amended or substituted, the decision as amended or substituted has effect as if it had been made in that form by the Departmental Chief Executive.
(6) If the Tribunal sets aside a decision to suspend a councillor, any fee or other remuneration, or expenses, withheld under the suspension is payable to the councillor and any disqualification that resulted from the suspension ceases to have effect.
(7) (Repealed)
(2) For the purposes of this Act -
(a) a decision is made under enabling legislation or this Act if it is made in the exercise (or purported exercise) of a function conferred or imposed by or under the enabling legislation or this Act, and
(b) a decision that purports to be made under enabling legislation or this Act is taken to be a decision made under the enabling legislation or this Act even if the decision was beyond the power of the decision-maker to make, and
(c) a refusal of a decision-maker to make a decision under enabling legislation or this Act because the decision-maker considers that the decision concerned cannot lawfully be made under the enabling legislation or this Act is taken to be a decision made under the enabling legislation or this Act to refuse to make the decision requested, and
(d) a failure by a decision-maker to make a decision within the period specified by enabling legislation or this Act for making the decision is taken to be a decision by the decision-maker at the end of the period to refuse to make the decision.
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Scope and nature of appeal under s 440L of the Local Government Act
20. Appeal is not, as such, a common law procedure. It is a creature of statute. In Builders Licensing Board v Sperway Constructions (Syd) Pty Ltd, Mason J distinguished between (i) an appeal stricto sensu, where the issue is whether the judgment below was right on the material before the trial court; (ii) an appeal by rehearing on the evidence before the trial court; (iii) an appeal by way of rehearing on that evidence supplemented by such further evidence as the appellate court admits under a statutory power to do so; and (iv) an appeal by way of a hearing de novo.
However, whatever challenge might be made to the conduct reviewer's findings, the appeal under s 440L is an appeal de novo, and the Tribunal is required to determine, on the basis of the evidence put before it, whether the alleged misconduct is proven, and if so, what is the appropriate disciplinary response. As discussed in Phillips at [39], that will require the Tribunal to consider all the evidence and make findings on the underlying conduct that brought Councillor Thaler to disciplinary attention.
An administrator who does not have the power to take the administrative action he thinks appropriate, or who fails to observe the conditions which are essential to the valid exercise of his power, cannot act in excess of his powers and justify that course as administratively expedient. It is the efficient and just exercise of available powers to achieve a desired end which constitutes sound administrative action; and the end to be achieved neither extends the powers available to achieve it nor justifies the taking of action in excess of the powers available. (Emphasis added.)
Councillor Thaler's specific submissions on invalidity
(1) Mr Whitworth's 10 March 2025 email asks the manager to "commence a section 440H investigation and Departmental report as per option one". Although the email refers to "option one" the decision that was in fact made was to order an investigation. There was no such investigation. The resulting document is, therefore, not a report within the meaning of s 440H(5A)(c).
(2) If the decision was a decision to arrange a report without an investigation under s 440H(5A(c), it was to authorise a report in relation only to Councillor Thaler's "live stream on Facebook on 5 March 2025". The "purported" report went further than the 5 March 2025 Facebook live stream, extending to a 6 March video and to Facebook posts on 12 and 14 March 2025. To extend the scope of the report to include these later matters, there would have to have been subsequent decisions, made after 10 March 2025, but there were no such decisions and the Tribunal cannot cure that defect.
(3) The material constituting the decision to arrange a report without an investigation does not reflect the statutory obligation on the decision maker, having regard to how the duty to "consider" has been construed.
Is the Secretary's decision invalid because it was in fact a decision to order an investigation?
Is the Secretary's decision invalid because the report extended to alleged misconduct after 5 March 2025?
Is the Secretary's decision invalid because the Secretary did not give proper consideration to the decision to arrange a report without an investigation?
General conduct 3.1
You must not conduct yourself in a manner that:
a) is likely to bring the council or other council officials into disrepute
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c) is improper or unethical
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e) causes, comprises or involves intimidation or verbal abuse
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g) constitutes harassment or bullying behaviour under this code, or is unlawfully discriminatory.
All council officials, including councillors, owe statutory duties under the Work Health and Safety Act 2011 (WH&S Act). You must comply with your duties under the WH&S Act and your responsibilities under any policies or procedures adopted by the council to ensure workplace health and safety. Specifically, you must:
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b) take reasonable care that your acts or omissions do not adversely affect the health and safety of other persons
Inappropriate interactions
7.9 You must not engage in any of the following inappropriate interactions:
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f) councillors and administrators being overbearing or threatening to council staff
h) councillors and administrators making personal attacks on council staff or engaging in conduct towards staff that would be contrary to the general conduct provisions in Part 3 of this code in public forums including social media
(i) councillors and administrators directing or pressuring council staff in the performance of their work, or recommendations they should make
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All Councillors enter into an undertaking in the form specified in Schedule 3, to be provided to me within 7 days of the service of the Order. I require all Councillors to comply with that undertaking,
Councillors refrain from making or implying allegations of wrongdoing against any Council official, unless such allegations are made through the established processes for receiving such matters,
5. Councillors refrain from making statements, orally or in writing, that a reasonable person may consider offensive, abusive, harassing, threatening or disrespectful, about or to other councillors, of Council staff members,
8. Councillors are to conduct themselves in accordance with Council's Code of Conduct.
I, Councillor Andrew Thaler of Snowy Monaro Regional Council (Council), do hereby give the following undertaking:
I will
refrain from making statements, orally or in writing, that a reasonable person may consider offensive, abusive, harassing, threatening or disrespectful, about or to other councillors or Council staff members; and
refrain from making statements that allege breaches of the Model Code of Conduct for Local Councils in NSW or Council's adopted Code of Conduct by other councillors or Council staff unless in accordance with the Procedures for the Administration of the Model Code of Conduct for Local Councils in NSW; and
refrain from publicly disclosing information relating to code of conduct complaints, including at Council, Committee or other meetings, in any other forum, or on any social media platform; and
refrain from disclosing or causing the release of confidential Council information to any public forum, including on any social media platform.
"I'm going to put a bunch of things on record. It will lead probably to code of conduct complaints or a round of new weird allegations by my fellow councillors on the council. But I don't think anyone's worked out yet that I don't care."
"And one of the local councillors, Councillor Tanya Higgins, who lives nearby, the one that's referred to in the Sydney Morning Herald article in October last year, or September last year, as the "fat dumb blonde" "she drove over there in her Prado four-wheel drive or whatever it was."
"... Tanya Higgins is the fat dumb blonde in the Sydney Morning Herald article, referenced as the fat dumb blonde in the Sydney Morning Herald article. Hashtag, this will be the eleventieth code of conduct. Tanya Higgins is the fat dumb blonde. It's physically obvious. She's a nasty, nasty liar. "
"And the reason why I call Tanya the fat dumb blonde is because that's what she is. And I'm calling you out. You're a disgusting, despicable Labor Party creature who lies about me at every opportunity. "
"And there's a woman 'woman' [Councillor Thaler gestures quotation marks with his hands]. Let's just focus on the 'man' bit in the woman. It's a DEl hire, called [Ms X]. [Ms X] doesn't know how to tell the truth. And l've had various phone calls, conversations, before even this event with [Ms X]. And she's never done her job. She does not do her job. She's environmental compliance. She does not know what she's doing. "
"We have an environmental compliance manager that doesn't know whether it's a boy or a girl. And I say that as a derogatory comment, because you don't know what you are, you've got a problem with your life. And when you're called upon to adopt a regulatory role and be a person of reasonable intestinal fortitude, be able to make a decision in the public interest that may be averse to someone else's decision, you can't work out you're a boy or a girl, how can you work out whether to enforce the law or take up the power of a law or not? And yet that's where we are. I've made reports to [Ms X] about a variety of environmental catastrophes around this area, and she does nothing. All I get is negative responses about this [Ms X]. And if you look at any of her history, she doesn't keep a job for very long. She keeps disappearing around the country from job to job to job to job. I've never met this person. I have the strongest empathy for anybody who might have gender dysphoria or be trans or what have you, but your personal life shouldn't bleed into your public life. And can only see abject incompetence and I'm calling time. I have spoken to [Ms X] and heard nothing but bullshit. "
"Why do we have environmental compliance officers if they don't know how to do their job, don't know what their job involves? Talk the big talk, you can't walk a good walk. Because I've heard it all [Ms X]. You can be upset by what I'm saying. A simple salient fact."
"So, to Dunshea, I was sort of guiding him a bit to say, your public reputation is built upon your actions at the present. And he comes back from the Shoalhaven and to ask a simple question to the residents of the Shoalhaven, hey, do you want your CEO back? They say, no fucking way. They hate him. You do a Google search, and you see there is a series of contentious decisions, public decisions, questions over spending and finances. There's a litany of things... This is what it involves, Stephen, me sharing my opinion of you, and I'll hashtag it. So, if you apply for a job with another Council as a local or short-term interim CEO, and they look your name up, they might come to a video like this or others... That's not me threatening you, that me holding you to account for your actions, or inactions.., so threaten me all you like Dunshea, I told you repeatedly, never threaten me. Cause when you do, I come back at you."
[to Dunshea] "Go fuck yourself Oh, Councillor Thaler, you can't say those things. But I can, because I just did."
"Whilst you may only be a short-term CEO, Mr Dunshea, it is not an excuse for you not to give a shit... Hashtag "Does Nothing Dunshea". Let's not forget he tried to tangle with me... Facts, Stephen. They bite you in the bum. Cause some of us do the research. So don't try to lie to me anymore. Do your job or hand in your resignation, put your keys and your credit card on the table and just fuck off. It's exactly what I said to David Hogan, it's exactly what David Hogan did... We don 't need "Do Nothing Dunshea ". We need "Do Something Dunshea. "
"Does someone want to tell me I'm wrong?" in response to his 5 March 2025 video commenting that Cr Higgins was a "fat dumb blonde".
"So there's your lies, Tanya. You are a fat dumb blonde because you tell lies to people who don't like you to try to make yourself feel better about everything that you don't do...you certainly don't take your head out of the trough long enough to notice there are other people in this world."
"[reading from the letter] Refers to council employee [Ms X] as a DEl hire. Implies she is transgender. Says that she doesn't know how to tell the truth. Does not do her job. Does not know what she is doing. Does nothing. Doesn't keep a job for very long, and says nothing but bullshit."
"... that's pretty much what I said. And she is transgender, and she's not doing anything. And she does say a lot of bullshit. See? Well observed."
"...they haven't used that power. The transgender DEl hire has the power, apparently. Doesn't know how to use it. That's my point. I will extend sympathy, go to, care and whatever else is needed. If you're lying, repeatedly, I'll call you out. And you can't hide behind your DEl shield It doesn't work for me. I treat everyone the same. Fat, skinny, blonde or black. "
"That is the process that [Ms X] invoked to get a statement from a victim. Do you want to tell me that I need to be soft on the DEl hire? No, the DEl hire tried to get me. The DEl hire, [Ms X], thought she would get me for trespass."
"How do we restore faith? By getting rid of people like... Mr Smith, Peter Smith, agent Smith. Mr Corrupt himself."
"1 also am completely shocked that one of my fellow councillors has resorted to legal threats to try and stop the truth being told."
"I now call on Tanya Higgins to resign from the council... don't threaten it Tanya, do it. You are not the victim."
"Tanya has falsely claimed many things."
"The game is now over Tanya. You are not a fit or proper person to be a councillor in service of the people. Tanya, you are a big, fat, liar. It's time to go.
"She should just resign." (in reference to Councillor Higgins)
Tanya knew. She falsely claimed credit for things Luke and I did. Very typical lefty behaviour . . lies gaslighting, and bullying the community. Tanya needs to resign.
(1) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making comments in publicly available social media videos on 5 and 6 March 2025 and sharing a post on 14 March 2025 which are reasonably likely to have brought the Council officials into disrepute in breach of clause 3.1(a) of the Code.
(2) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making comments in publicly available social media videos of 5 and 6 March 2025 which are reasonably considered to constitute improper and/or unethical conduct in breach of clause 3.1(c) of the Code.
(3) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making comments in publicly available social media videos on 5 and 6 March 2025 which are reasonably considered to constitute intimidation and/or verbal abuse in breach of clause 3.1(e) of the Code.
(4) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making comments in publicly available social media videos on 5 and 6 March 2025, posts of 12 March 2025 and sharing a post on 14 March 2025 which are reasonably considered to constitute harassment, bullying and/or unlawful discrimination in breach of clause 3.1(g) of the Code.
(5) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making comments in publicly available social media videos of 5 and 6 March 2025 which could compromise the psychological safety of the affected individuals, in breach of clause 3.12 of the Code.
(6) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making publicly available social media comments in his 5 March 2025 video which are reasonably considered to constitute pressuring council staff in the performance of their work or recommendations that should make, in breach of clause 7.6(i) (sic 7.9(i)) of the Code.
(7) Councillor Thaler engaged in misconduct by making publicly available social media comments in his 5 March 2025 video which are reasonably considered to constitute being overbearing or threatening to council staff, in breach of clause 7.6(f) (sic 7.9(f)) of the Code.
(1) repeatedly implying that Ms X was incompetent because she is a "DEI" (diversity, equity and inclusion) hire;
(2) calling Councillor Higgins "dumb and a "liar"; and
(3) implying that Mr Smith is corrupt.
(1) repeatedly referring to Councillor Higgins as "fat";
(2) repeatedly calling Ms X a "DEI hire" implying that she was appointed based on diversity, equity and inclusion policies rather than merit;
(3) implying that Ms X is unable to perform her role or is incapable of doing so because she is a transgender person by saying "if you can't work out if you're a boy or a girl, how can you work out whether to enforce the law or take up the power of a law or not".
(1) repeatedly referring to Councillor Higgins as "fat" and "dumb";
(2) implying that he caused Council's former General Manager (David Hogan) to resign, and suggesting that Mr Dunshea also resign; and
(3) repeatedly referring to Ms X as a "DEI hire" and as "it".
(1) repeatedly referring to Councillor Higgins as "fat" and "dumb";
(2) referring to Councillor Higgins as a "big, fat liar" and that she is not a fit and proper person to be a councillor;
(3) publicly calling for Councillor Higgins' resignation;
(4) repeated references to Ms X as a "DEI hire" and implying that she is unable to perform her role because she can't work out if she is a girl or a boy;
(5) referring to Ms X as "it"; using air quotations when referring to her as a woman and focusing on the "man" bit in the word "woman".
I used language that may have caused the people I was describing to feeling either harassed, discriminated against, vilified, bullied, or that their health and safety was compromised.
Though I did use those words to shock or to emphasise what I was explaining in my posts, it was never my intention to make those people feel such a way.
Particularly in relation to my comments towards Mr Dunshea, I never intended to place pressure upon Mr Dunshea regarding the performance of his duties, but rather I sought to convey that as both a community representative and as an individual resident of the area, that I would not allow myself to be intimidated when matters that are of great public interest are involved.
(2) The Departmental Chief Executive may take one or more of the following actions (and any such action is disciplinary action) -
(a) counsel the councillor,
(b) reprimand the councillor,
(c) by order, direct the councillor to cease engaging in the misconduct,
(d) by order, direct the councillor to apologise for the misconduct in the manner specified in the order,
(e) by order, direct the councillor to undertake training,
(f) by order, direct the councillor to participate in mediation,
(g) by order, suspend the councillor from civic office for a period not exceeding 3 months,
(h) by order, suspend the councillor's right to be paid any fee or other remuneration, to which the councillor would otherwise be entitled as the holder of the civic office, in respect of a period not exceeding 3 months (without suspending the councillor from civic office for that period).
39.Secondly, there are there are important but indirect effects of a disciplinary order. These were recognised by Basten JA in NSW Bar Association v Meakes [2006] NSWCA 340 in relation to barristers. These considerations are relevant (by analogy) to orders made in respect of a local councillor and include:
(1) The order reminds other councillors of the public interest in the maintenance of high standards;
(2) The order may give emphasis to the unacceptability of the conduct involved; and
(3) By speaking to the public at large, the order seeks to maintain confidence in the standard of conduct of local councillors.
40. Thirdly, there is a "public interest in having the respondent's conduct denounced as unacceptable", and that orders made by the Tribunal would "make plain that conduct of the kind engaged in is unacceptable": Health Care Complaints Commission v Do [2014] NSWCA 307 at [39].
41. Fourthly, the availability of a range of statutory disciplinary options implies the necessity to consider whether those short of depriving the constituents of their representative can adequately punish the councillor's failure to comply with the statutory obligations and vindicate the public interest in maintaining the honesty of municipal administration: Mehajer v Chief Executive of the Office of Local Government [2014] NSWSC 1804 at [13].
42. Fifthly, whether the proposed orders will prevent the respondent from exercising any functions as a councillor, and the impact of this on constituents: Mehajer at [13], [15] and [21].
43. Sixthly, whether there have been any previous offences: Mehajer at [15]; Phillips v Director-General, Department of Premier and Cabinet [2014] NSWCATOD 48 at [52].
44. Seventhly, the acknowledgement if any, or apology or remorse for, the conduct by a respondent, and the lack of any insight into the conduct on their part.
45. Eighthly, the longer the experience as councillor the greater should be the councillor's understanding and knowledge of their duties and obligations. That is not to say that misconduct of an inexperienced councillor should be excused. All councillors must act honestly and exercise a reasonable degree of care and diligence in carrying out his or her functions under the Act (s 439(1)) and comply with the Council's code of conduct (s 440(5)).
1. The correct name of the Respondent is Secretary, Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure.
I hereby certify that this is a true and accurate record of the reasons for decision of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of New South Wales.
Thaler
Secretary, Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure [2025] NSWCATOD 88;
(1979) 41 FLR 338
(2003) 214 CLR 118
(1995) 57 FCR 451
(2022) 289 FCR 256