[2025] FWC 1074
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2025-04-16
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Unfair dismissal
When can the Commission order a remedy for unfair dismissal?
(a) the Commission is satisfied that the Applicant was protected from unfair dismissal at the time of being dismissed; and
When is a person protected from unfair dismissal?
(c) the person is an employee who has completed a period of employment with his or her employer of at least the minimum employment period; and
(d) one or more of the following apply:
(i) a modern award covers the person;
(ii) an enterprise agreement applies to the person in relation to the employment;
(iii) the sum of the person's annual rate of earnings, and such other amounts (if any) worked out in relation to the person in accordance with the regulations, is less than the high income threshold.
(b) the dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable; and
(c) the dismissal was not consistent with the Small Business Fair Dismissal Code; and
(d) the dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy.
"• Lead the design team in all facets of the design process from customer to design completion.
Financial difficulties of Haven and Laminex and the decision to "restructure"
Decision to cease the employment of Mr. Cossar and the "restructure" of Haven
"Sam's role of Design Team Manager was no longer required as we simply did not have the sales or demand in Haven to justify the role. After a careful business review, it was deemed the design duties performed by the Design Team Manager could be performed by the remaining Designers. The organisational structure was changed so that I would lead the team of Designers."[11]
13 June 2024 "Business Update" and the closure of the Haven Thornbury site
"... the Thornbury site was being closed and one of the girls, Demi, ... the trade centre manager was made redundant. I recall that following week we sat down and had a meeting with the broader team to discuss what was going on, because everyone was a bit, I guess, shaken up by the whole situation. I recall that a team member asked Kristian Tennant, who was the GM, would there be anymore redundancies made, and he assured us a couple of times that no, there would be no more redundancies."[23]
Morning of 16 August 2024 - the phone call between Mr. Pisano and Mr. Cossar
"In the morning of 16 August 2024, I called Sam and advised him that I needed to meet with him that afternoon to discuss a restructure to the Haven business that would impact him. I followed up the phone conversation with a meeting invite to Sam, whereby I reiterated that I would meet with him at 2.30 pm face to face at the Haven Windsor site. Sam was also advised he was welcome to bring a support person to the meeting. Sam also was advised the meeting would also include Christy Charlton, the National People and Performance Manager, who would be attending via Microsoft Teams."[26]
"The - the discussion was that I'd like to come and have a chat - a discussion with him around Haven business updates that - that have an impact on his role and that could he meet at 2.30 that afternoon to discuss it, and that Christy Charlton will be joining from MS Teams and that he's welcome to have a support person for those conversations."[27]
"...the phone call in the morning, my recollection of the phone call was you called to touch base and say you were going to come in later today and, 'I'll send you a meeting invite to catch up'."[28]
The 16 August 2024 invitation to Mr. Cossar to meet for a "Haven business update[29]"
"[I] received that meeting invite and that was the first time I had seen the words 'support person' and also that Christy was going to be in it. The whole day I was just wondering what the business updates, thinking it would be a positive meeting. At no point did the thought of being terminated would be part of it."[31]
Accounts of the "Haven Business Update" meeting at 2:30 PM on 16 August 2024
"At approximately 2:30pm I attended the Termination Meeting. During the Termination Meeting, I was advised that my employment was terminated effectively immediately as my Role was surplus to requirements and no longer required. I was advised that I would be finishing that day. At the Termination Meeting, I didn't have any questions for them. This was due to the shock of the reason for the meeting."[32]
"We started the meeting and we sat down. Christy dialled in through Teams. Andrew was there in person. We sat down and then Andrew started talking about that we were not making money we were wanting to. We need to restructure and that my role had been impacted and I was being made redundant. I only asked two questions of 'Was anyone else impacted?' I was told, 'No.' And, 'When would I be leaving and what am I getting paid out?' The meeting was over in five to 10 minutes."[33]
"During this meeting I explained to Sam that we have not been hitting our sales targets at Haven and we are falling behind budget and Haven had been making a loss. Moreover, Christy reiterated to Sam that Laminex as a whole business has been facing challenging market conditions. It was explained to Sam that in response to these market and business challenges, Laminex and Haven began cost out initiatives by restructuring the business and making roles redundant, and that his role would be impacted by way of redundancy.
Christy explained to Sam and confirmed with him that his employment would be ending effective 16 August 2024 by way of redundancy, and he would be paid out his entitlements, including severance and notice period.
... Sam was given an opportunity to respond, ask questions and raise any queries he had. Sam was also encouraged to review a list of vacancies, that he might like to be redeployed into however he did not identify any roles that he wished to be redeployed into.
... Sam asked ... whether anyone else at Haven had been impacted by way of redundancy, and it was explained to Sam that other roles within Haven and Laminex would be impacted by way of redundancy as a result of the restructure. He also asked for the exact figure of his redundancy payout which was provided to him via email at the end of the meeting."
"I provided Sam with a list of approximately 100 active vacancies within Laminex and other associated entities and I encouraged Sam to review the list and identify any roles of interest to him...Sam did not identify any roles that he wished to be redeployed into."[37]
"...None of them looked appealing to what I was doing. I've done design and I'm an industrial designer, so design and working things out and problem solving's really what I love. Leading a team's what I love and looking through those roles, nothing suited those passions. It did feel, I guess, a bit - I didn't feel like I wanted to look through and find - like, find a new job within this business as I'd just been given - been terminated. So, sort of, that relationship felt a bit awkward if I was going to try and come back.[39]"
16 August 2024 Termination letter and "redundancy" pay
"• Kitchen design experience, including fitting and installation techniques
"• Collaboration with Designers: Work closely with our design team to troubleshoot and resolve any challenges that arise during the design and installation process.
" • Collaboration with Designers: I conducted daily calls with the design team for any issues that needed to be solved that day at all stages of the process, from design to on-site installation.
"The Installations Manager role required extensive cabinet making skills. These were skills that the incumbent to the role, Paul, possessed.
The Completions Manager role focuses on the following key responsibilities:
It is the installations manager's role to identify issues with the kitchen designs, prior to the design going to a customer, to minimise the risk of any errors in installations. This is a key feature of the role given that a requirement for the Completions Manager is to have a trade qualification."
"• Cabinet making and joinery experience with an appreciation for craftsmanship
"JANSA: You're suggesting that you could be redeployed into that role. I put to you, Mr Cossar, that if we go to the installation manager success profile, the key responsibilities are just one small component of the entire role, and consequently, I guess the question I put to you is: do the key responsibilities address the actual tasks that the installation manager was required to perform?
JANSA: I want to direct you to the design team manager's success profile, page 143 of the court book. Would you agree that the success profile for this role has a heavy emphasis on design work?
JANSA: Does the success profile of the design team manager role include any duties that would be considered installation?
"...The Completions Manager is focused in the area of kitchen installations. Sam's role of Design Team Manager did not have any kitchen installations or kitchen installer responsibilities which is the core responsibility of the Completions Manager role.
I estimate that 90% of the Completions Manager role is to support our kitchen installer base. This was not a duty or responsibility of the Designer Team Manager.
The Completions Manager role requires a trade qualification. In order to obtain a trade qualification you need to attend a TAFE course, complete an apprenticeship via on the job training under the supervision of a qualified cabinet maker, then apply for a trade paper. This process can take up to 4 years.
Sam did not have any trade qualifications in the area of cabinet making which is a key requirement for the completions manager role and it would not be reasonable to wait 4-5 years for Sam to obtain the qualification required to be considered for the Completions Manager role."
CONSIDERATION OF THE GENUINE REDUNDANCY QUESTION.
(1) A person's dismissal was a case of genuine redundancy if:
(a) the person's employer no longer required the person's job to be performed by anyone because of changes in the operational requirements of the employer's enterprise; and
(b) the employer has complied with any obligation in a modern award or enterprise agreement that applied to the employment to consult about the
(2) A person's dismissal was not a case of genuine redundancy if it would have been reasonable in all the circumstances for the person to be redeployed within:
(b) the enterprise of an associated entity of the employer.
Required steps to determine a "genuine redundancy" under s 389
Step One: Was Mr. Cossar's "job" made redundant?
Step Two: Compliance with consultation requirements
The Fletcher Group jobs shown to him in the termination meeting
The position of Completions Manager/Installation Manager
Vacant customer Consumer/Retail positions in the post restructure organisational chart
(a) Mr. Cossar or the rest of the staff were not adequately informed of the danger to their jobs or the operational difficulties that Haven was experiencing. Employees should be kept informed of these matters.
(b) The use of a phrase like 'Haven Business Update" to notify an employee of an impending termination meeting is not helpful. The employee is effectively given no notice their job is in peril. It is unsurprising Mr. Cossar refused an offer of a support person when he was attending a meeting about such a banal subject matter as a "Haven Business Update".
(c) I question the utility of handing over a list of one hundred jobs all over Australia, with no notice, at a meeting where the employee did not know he was going to be made redundant as a "consultation" on redeployment. The preferable approach would be to warn them their position may be made redundant and give them time to consider the jobs with some assistance from Human Resources.

[1] Digital Court Book (DCB at) at 46 - from Mr. Cossar's statement of evidence at paragraph 2.
[2] DCB at 97 to 115 contains: his letter of appointment, the "individual terms of appointment," and other documents related to the Designer position.
[3] DCB at 89 - First Statement of Mr. Pisano paragraph 6
[4] DCB at 89-90 - First Statement of Mr. Pisano paragraph 12.
[7] DCB at 90 - First Statement of Mr. Pisano paragraph 14.
[9] DCB at 90 - First statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 15.
[10] DCB at 90 - First Pisano Statement at paragraphs 16 and 17.
[11]DCB at 91 - First Statement of Mr.Pisano at paragraph 21.
[26] DCB at 92 - Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 24.
[29] PN 86 - According to Mr. Pisano the idea to use the bland and opaque term "Haven business update" for a redundancy meeting was from Ms. Christy Charlton, a People and Performance Business Partner at Laminex.
[34] DCB at 92-93 at paragraphs 25 to 27.
[37] DCB at 166 at paragraphs 27 and 28.
[42] DCB at 47 - Mr. Cossar's statement of evidence at paragraph 13
[45] DCB at 47 - Mr. Cossar's statement of evidence at paragraph 13.
[46] DCB at 58-60 has a copy of the Productions Manager advertisement on SEEK.
[47] DCB at 66 - Mr. Cossar's outline of argument on the jurisdictional objection at paragraph 2.
[48] DCB at 47 - Mr. Cossar's statement of evidence at paragraph 14.
[49] DCB at 69 - Mr. Cossar's outline of argument on objections at paragraph 19.
[52] DCB at 93 - Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 32.
[53] DCB at 149 - the CV of Mr. Bikouvarakis.
[54] DCB at 94 - First Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraphs 33 and 34.
[61] DCB at 68 - Mr. Cossar's outline of arguments on the objection at paragraph 16.
[63] DCB at 95 - Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 36-39.
[64] DCB at 94 Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 35.
[66] See the approach of Deputy President Easton in Jun Lei Kang v. Shriro Australia Pty. Limited [2023] FWC 1992 at paragraph [25].
[71] Dibb v Commissioner of Taxation [2004] FCAFC 126 (13 May 2004), [43]-[44].
[77] The Full Bench decision in Ulan Coal Mines Limited v. Honeysett [2010] FWAFB 7578, [34].
[78] DCB at 91 - Statement of Mr. Pisano at paragraph 22.
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Laminex Group Pty Limited [2025] FWC 1074