[2025] QCAT 304
General information, not legal advice.
Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal
2025-07-21
Original judgment source is linked above.
CONTRACTS - BUILDING, ENGINEERING AND RELATED CONTRACTS - THE CONTRACT - CONSTRUCTION OF PARTICULAR CONTRACTS AND IMPLIED CONDITIONS - OTHER MATTERS - where parties entered into a domestic building contract - where builder removed tiles from the kitchen floor - where removal of tiles exposed asbestos material - where existence of asbestos material not known to the parties prior to the removal of the tiles - whether a latent defect - where builder continued removing tiles without any enquiry or investigation into the condition of the flooring - removal of tiles caused asbestos contamination to interior and external areas of the property - claim for compensation and damages for asbestos contamination
Queensland Building and Construction Commission Act 1991 (Qld), s 77, Schedule 1B, Schedule 2
Eko Investments Pty Ltd v Austruc Construction Ltd (2009) NSWSC 208
Nissen & Anor v Jarotech Pty Ltd (2012) QCAT 307
Owners of Strata Plan 50946 v Multiplex Constructions (NSW) Pty Ltd (2006) NSWSC 377
Pullen v Gutteridge Haskins & Davey Pty Ltd [1993] VicRp 4; (1993) 1 VR 27
Robinson v Harman [1848] EngR 135; (1848) 1 Ex 850
Tabcorp Holdings Ltd v Bowen Investments Pty Ltd (2009) 236 CLR 272
(a) the Respondent's hourly rate is $67.50;
(b) the hammer hand hourly rate is $45.00;
(c) for a 40 hour week the rate is $4,500.00 including GST;
(d) the Respondent is not providing any materials; and
(e) the Respondent's cost excluded all electrician or plumber costs or any materials.
For my labore cost I'm offering the high standard quality on all part of my workmanship. What I undertaken, will provide you with not 7 years and 3 months as QBCC standard, but total 10 years, for all bathroom, addition, kitchen anything I touched and my damages what my negligent were caused, carpentry damages. Excluding of warranty, damage caused by flooding or any other damage out of my hand fault
weeks before we start the job I asking update of building permit to Nick when we have a meeting and he will say that he lodged it already and waiting for details to pay. In our agreement we are only provide BUILDING LABORE meaning we are paid on how many days and hrs we work.
No visibly identifiable asbestos containing debris was identified in the areas inspected at the time of inspection following removal activities. Please see photographic evidence on the page below.
When we remove the pantry divider underneath it had a piece of lino flooring 90 x 400[3] which we did not remove at all and is still visible in the Asbestos Report
there is no ACTUAL LINO FLOORING. UNDERNEATH THE TILES, using jackhammer doesn't make sense if there is Lino flooring present underneath the tiles as what Rosman claiming, because it's easier to just left the LINO to remove the tiles and supposed to be no tile glue visible on the concrete floor.[4] Please note that this is part of the agreed the kitchen renovation
it was noticed by us, the owners, that there are bits of old lino remaining on the floor where the tiles were removed. We knew this was a potential asbestos containing material, we contacted an asbestos company to conduct sampling immediately...
I asked them how long it would take to get a result, as we already waste lots of time on permit issues, load bearing issues, soil testing, beam issues etc. and not even my job but I'm helping to sort paper jobs already on my own time. But I have bills and 4 kids to feed so I can't sit home and wait any more, and more than that I have scheduled next job that I'm in trouble already because of the delay. But it doesn't mean I disregarded the asbestos issue, before I go to other job, I clean up my tools[5] and I don't know how it happen, but my Makita drop saw was negative on asbestos even though it was right on the open kitchen and to think that it was fibrous as asbestos.
They hired asbestos professionals to remove and conduct a check but base on the clearance certificate been issue; there is no testing for contamination and in my understanding in that clearance there is still possible asbestos fibre anywhere inside the house, they only conduct visual inspection after removal as the owner is on a budget of time and money
Unfortunately, further testing is required and possibly more asbestos work.
This delay, caused by you exposing asbestos, has been a nightmare. You exposed our children and other workers to very toxic dust, it has cost us thousands, and has been a massive amount of stress on us. You should have stopped as soon as you noticed potential asbestos underneath the tiles.
We are not happy with your disregard. It is a very serious matter.
With the whole situation I think it would be best if we just parted ways and be left with the work you have completed. We don't feel safe continuing this project and we don't believe it is safe your tools and equipment to come back to our house after the massive decontamination process we have just been through.
living in the property after the removal and while doing the renovation, me and my hammer hand are the ones put at risk because they wanted to save money. So, who disregarded asbestos? They didn't worry about my tools...
Laszlo, is it okay if you make a claim for asbestos sampling?
I remove tiles without the knowledge of what is under need (neath).
In response to a question in the claim form whether he has admitted responsibility/liability for the damage or injury the Respondent replied "No" as he say:
Builder has disturbed asbestos containing linoleum to kitchen floor by removing the non-asbestos tiles that have been laid over the asbestos linoleum. A jackhammer was used to remove the tiles resulting in delamination of asbestos linoleum and the release of asbestos fibres. There has been extensive foot traffic since the event
The Report proceeded to specify the works to make this site safe from asbestos.
They don't know that I have liability insurance, they are already sorting out the asbestos issues until, on 28 May 2023 I called up Nick Rosman about the vanity mirror that I accidentally chipped the corner when I unboxed it. So, I asked for the invoice[7] as I will try to claim it on my insurance and the next day Jessica Rosman called me up and asked me "Laszlo, is it ok if you make a claim for asbestos sampling?" I don't know what to answer knowing that I didn't remove any asbestos.
so I'm thinking that the insurance will do the investigation on the matter, but I don't think so, not even a month it was approved and when I asked regarding insurance claim, it takes four months or more before get result of the claim.
Builder has disturbed asbestos containing linoleum to kitchen floor by removing the non-asbestos tiles that have been laid over the asbestos linoleum. A jackhammer was used to remove the tiles resulting in delamination of asbestos linoleum and the potential release of asbestos fibres.
The invoice provided for a licensed asbestos assessor/competent person to perform appropriate asbestos sampling and including half an hour travel and first sample.
Cancelling the claim was the best decision we made it, because from here we slowly found out the false allegation, misleading and lies that they made for insurance. Jessica Rosman did try to change that assume allegation when they know we check their property and find out that the kitchen tiles were newly laid in 2011 before putting on the market.
Just wanted to clarify a few things with you as we really don't want this to end in a bad way.
We don't believe you intentionally disturbed any asbestos. I was unaware that there was no actual any Lino underneath the tiles, just the remnants of the Lino backing from what I hear. Unfortunately, this is actually the part of Lino that contains the friable asbestos. This could not have been identified by asbestos crew earlier as they couldn't use destructive sampling methods.
It may have been difficult for you to distinguish this and we understand that. However, it has happened now and the asbestos was disturbed and it did contaminate a lot of the house which required a massive decontamination work.
Thankfully, you have insurance that can cover this for you which is very good news for you. This being the case, we are happy to end on good terms. We are very happy with your efforts and work this far and I'm very thankful for all your work.......
However, if you do cancel this claim, things can get very difficult for both of us.....
(a) alleging that the Respondent's construction work had been undertaken negligently and had disturbed and caused a removal of asbestos from the Applicant's property; and
(b) the Applicant wishes to terminate the contract due to the Respondent's alleged negligence and unsafe work practices; and
(c) as an offer of compromise, the Applicant is willing to consider a payment of liquidated damages in the amount of $50,000.00 to finalise the decontamination invoice, pay for their accommodation until their home is liveable and to pay for other expenses.
(a) QBCC will not be directing Laszlo Toth to rectify your complaint items;
(b) The Queensland Home Warranty Scheme is unable to provide cover for any of your complaint items;
(c) Your complaint is a contractual matter and is outside QBCC jurisdiction. QBCC does not have power to make decisions about contractual matters; and
(d) The complaint has now been finalised.
(a) asbestos made safe: $1,900.00
(b) asbestos decontamination: $32,000.00
(c) reimbursement of disposed items: $33,000.00 approximately
(d) accommodation expenses: $9,500.00
(e) all costs in legal action to obtain reimbursement
(f) reimbursement of fees for Application for domestic Building dispute
a claim or dispute arising between a building owner and a building contractor relating to the performance of reviewable domestic work or a contract for the performance of reviewable domestic work.
What was the extent of Linoleum Disturbed by the Respondent
defective works were carried out by the respondent. As per the agreement, the respondent was responsible for the removal of old kitchen floor tiles in preparation for new flooring to be installed. The materials underneath the kitchen floor tiles were unknown to the respondent and the applicant prior to the removal process
using jackhammer doesn't make sense if there is Lino flooring present underneath the tiles as what Rosman claiming, because it's easier to just lift the LINO to remove the tiles and supposed to be no tile glue visible on the concrete floor (PLS SEE E 4 FOR REF)
just the remnants of the Lino backing from what I hear. Unfortunately, this is actually the part of Lino that contains the friable asbestos. This could not have been identified by asbestos crew earlier as they couldn't use destructive sampling methods
I was worried about the vinyl flooring underneath the kitchen tiles being asbestos. I sent a photo to this asbestos and he said it most definitely is asbestos, he will be up tomorrow to assess the place and make a plan ASAP because it is unsafe at this time for anyone to enter.
we will be working tomorrow, have a great night.
Builder has disturbed asbestos containing linoleum to kitchen floor by removing the non-asbestos tiles that had been laid over the asbestos linoleum. A jackhammer was used to remove the tiles resulting in delamination of asbestos linoleum and the release of asbestos fibres. This has been there has been extensive foot traffic since the event.
All bedding and lounges were covered with plastic prior to event however, initial dust samplings has identified asbestos fibres throughout the dwelling including the carpets in two of the three bedrooms.
The waste has been transferred from the house to a skip bag at front of property resulting in contamination or skip bag contents, and contamination of lawn waste corridor.
Friable decontamination of the interior throughout. Decontamination of hard surface contents. Removal and disposal of carpet and soft furnishings. Friable removal of vinyl floor remnants. Removal of contamination soils. Removal of waste skip bag and contaminated contents.
From what I saw on site, Laszlo was using a hammer drill to pull up the tiles in the kitchen so I offered him to use my jackhammer. Laszlo and his offsider used the jackhammer while I was in the roof space running water lines. I was only notified from Nick a few weeks after that day but there was more asbestos in the house from this event
(a) Neither the Applicant nor the Respondent knew that there was lino or lino remnants under the kitchen tiles prior to the removal of any of those tiles;
(b) Both the Applicant and the Respondent share common ground that there was no lino flooring under the kitchen tiles. The Respondent says that there was lino flooring under the pantry which was not removed;
(c) The Respondent removed tiles on the kitchen floor using a jackhammer;
(d) There is a dispute between the parties as to whether there were lino remnants under the kitchen tiles;
(e) The independent evidence from Asbestos Response Pty Ltd in the Inspection Report dated 1 June 2023 establishes that there was vinyl remnants on the kitchen floor and that they contained asbestos; and
(f) That the Respondent's removal of the kitchen tiles and in particular with the use of a jackhammer has disturbed the asbestos containing linoleum on the kitchen floor resulting in the release of asbestos fibres to various rooms identified in the Inspection Report.
Tribunal's Consideration of the Issues in these Proceedings
believes that defective works were carried out by the Respondent. As per the agreement, the Respondent was responsible for removal of the old kitchen floor tiles in preparation for new flooring to be installed. The materials underneath the kitchen floor tiles were unknown to both the respondent and the application prior to the removal process.
Relevant to any question of whether the alleged defects were latent defects and whether the defects particularised as "latent defects in the construction of the slab comprising part of the concourse around the pool" were latent is any knowledge of the extent of the defect.[1]
A latent defect is a defect which could not have been discovered with reasonable care or one which was not manifest or discoverable by reasonable inspection (Pullen v Guttridge Haskins and Davey Pty Ltd [1993] VicRp 4; (1993) VR 27; Owners of Strata Plan 50946 v Multiplex Constructions (NSW) Pty Ltd (2006) NSWSC 377; Eko Investments Pty Limited v Austruc Construction Limited (2009) NSWSC 208.)
(a) there was no knowledge of the extent of the defect at any time from the parties entering into the contract until the Respondent commenced removal of the kitchen tiles using a jackhammer;
(b) the defect beneath the kitchen tiles could not have been discovered with reasonable care at any time up to the commencement of the removal of the tiles by the Respondent using a jackhammer; and
(c) the defect beneath the kitchen tiles was not manifest or discoverable by reasonable inspection of the kitchen floor at any time prior to the removal of the tiles by the Respondent using a jackhammer.
(a) in an appropriate and skilful way; and
(b) with reasonable care and skill.
The applicant notified the respondent immediately of the potential asbestos material and he was told it was unsafe to enter the property. Please see attachment (6) for message evidence of this conversation.
(a) asbestos made safe: $1,900.00
(b) asbestos decontamination: $32,000.00
(c) reimbursement of disposed items: $33,000.00 approximately
(d) accommodation expenses: $9,500.00
(e) all costs in legal action to obtain reimbursement
(f) reimbursement of fees for Application for domestic Building dispute
(a) order the payment of an amount found to be owing by one party to another;
(b) award damages, and interest on damages at the rate, and calculated in the way, prescribed under a regulation;
(c) order restitution;
(d) award costs.
where a party sustains a loss by reason of a breach of contract he is, so far as money can do it, to be placed in the same situation, with respect to damages, as if the contract had been performed.
(a) asbestos made safe: $1,900.00[24]
(b) asbestos decontamination $29,592.00[25]
(c) reimbursement of disposed items:
(i) clothes and household items $2,167.50[26]
(ii) electrical & household items $31,501.00[27]
(iii) carpets $3,639.00[28]
(iv) ceiling fans installation $797.50[29]
(v) sky fan light $1,347.00[30]
(d) accommodation expenses:
(i) Discovery Parks $3,056.60[31]
(ii) 14 x nights at Urraween $6,161.19[32]
(e) legal costs NIL
(f) reimbursement of Application filing fees $379.50
(g) Total claim $80,541.29
[1] Written contract is attached to the Respondents Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E2-3.
[2] See Photograph in Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E2.
[3] See Photograph in Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E3.
[4] See Photograph in Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E4.
[5] See Photograph in Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E5.
[6] See Applicant's Statement dated 23 January 2025 and filed 29 January 2024 at paragraph (h).
[7] See Photograph in Response filed 24 January 2024 at exhibit E7 for photograph of the 'Invoice".
[8] Receipt document filed in the tribunal on 28 January 2024.
[9] Both documents filed in the Tribunal on 29 January 2024.
[14] Application for domestic building dispute filed 14 September 2023 at PART C, item 2.
[15] Response and/or counter-application filed 24 January 2024 at PART D Attachment paragraph 2.
[16] Applicant's Bundle of Documents filed on 29 January 2024 at Document number 7.
[17] [2012] QCAT 307, [73]-[74].
[19] Response to Direction 4 contained in the bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at paragraph (k), page 2.
[21] (2009) 236 CLR 272, [13], applied in the Keely v Horton (2016) QCA 68, [45].
[22] [1848] EngR 135; (1848) 1 Ex 850, 365.
[23] See Brooking on Building contracts, chapter 10 on Defects and Damages at paragraph 10.4.
[24] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 11.
[25] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 12 and attachment 19.
[26] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 13.
[27] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 14.
[28] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 17.
[29] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 18.
[30] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 18.
[31] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 15.
[32] See Bundle of documents filed 29 January 2024 at attachment 16.
Rosman
Toth [2025] QCAT 304
(2009) 236 CLR 272
(1993) 1 VR 27