"Okay. Can you in your own words explain to the Commissioner what exactly happened?---In my words, we were watching TV, I was sort of diagonal as I usually do, because other people are in the room so I have my back towards them. A story came on about the Krakouer brothers and somebody was going to court, and outside the courthouse yelling and screaming, carrying on, Anthony Yitting said, oh, what a bunch of fucking idiots, or idiots. Bob Budd senior got up out of his chair, walked around the front sort of diagonal to Mr Yitting, grabbed him by the throat, he was pushed back against the table behind him, he was yelling something like "what did you say you prejudiced cunt and called him - because they're black, and said that a couple of times. And then he got - I got up and walked to the side of Bob, what did you mean, because I was just waiting for him to let go, I didn't want to - if it had have gone on any longer I would have had to - Bob's a big bloke. He then let Anthony go. He was very angry at the time. He walked away. Anthony got up out of his chair holding his neck, coughing a couple of times, and said to Bob, don't ever grab me around my throat again. Bob then started pacing back towards Anthony. I thought he was going to have another go at him but he didn't. He sort of like gathered his composure and stormed out of the room again, then came back and said to me whether I could drive him home. I said yes. And then we left." [19]