59 J gave evidence that every Labor Day weekend his scout group went to a camp near Loch Sport. From the time that he joined the scout group J attended this camp every year including the year of 1988. J was reluctant to attend the 1988 camp because he knew the applicant would be there, but he agreed to go on the camp when he found out that one of the other parents, Perry Black, would be in attendance. The group left for Loch Sport on a Friday night and J travelled to the camp in the applicant's car with three other boys. Three tents were set up at the camp, one for each group of four scouts and one for the two leaders. As the tents were being laid out, the applicant called out to J to have a look at the boat ramp which was a 'couple of kilometres from the camp'. The applicant and J drove to the boat ramp in the applicant's car. When they arrived, instead of looking at the ramp the applicant said to J 'Come over here' and wandered into the ti tree. J felt compelled to follow him through the bush. Once there the applicant told J to pull down his pants, which he did. The applicant pulled down his own pants and told J to masturbate his, the applicant's, penis (count 7). The masturbation occurred for about a minute, and then the applicant pushed J onto the ground with his face into the sand. The applicant inserted his finger and then his penis into J's anus (count 8). The applicant told J not to tell anyone what had happened. The following day was Saturday. During the day the scouts launched Perry Black's boat at the boat ramp. After the boat had been retrieved and everyone was going back to the camp, the applicant beckoned J to his car. J got into the applicant's car while everyone else got into Mr Black's car. The applicant took J to the same location as he had the previous day and pulled down his pants. He said to J, 'You know what to do' and put J's hand on his penis. J masturbated the applicant (count 9). After a minute or two the applicant grabbed J by the shoulders, spun him around and pushed him into the ground. He pushed J's face into the sand and penetrated J's anus with his penis (count 10). The next day at the camp the applicant approached J and mentioned a scouting badge, a pioneering badge. The applicant told J that in order to get the badge he had to get into the car with him. J got into the car and the applicant drove to the boat ramp again. The applicant pulled off J's pants and pushed him into the sand and penetrated J's anus with his penis. He ejaculated (count 11). Afterwards J washed himself in the lake and returned to the applicant's car. Monday was the last day of the camp. Whilst everyone was packing up, the applicant approached J and said 'Come with me'. J was angry and said 'No', pointing the tent pole towards the applicant like a spear. The applicant walked away.