"MR REARDON: Yes, and it's my duty, Your Honour, to give you assistance in relation to penalties and this witness has been involved in cases there and - - - HIS HONOUR: Yes. MRS WILLIAMS: Your Honour, I do object to it because necessarily I don't know what was put before the court in whatever court this witness appeared in front of. It's meaningless, isn't it, unless you know the full background of the material that was put before the court, including all of the plea material. How can I possibly answer any of that and how does it assist Your Honour? HIS HONOUR: I suppose in Commonwealth matters, you often get it, don't you, as to - - - MR REARDON: You do, Your Honour, and - - - HIS HONOUR: - - - but I think to recognise that it's a reasonably limited value, I suppose, but - - - - MR REARDON: Of course, Your Honour, but nevertheless it's some guidance, Your Honour, in relation to the matters and in relation to the case that you - - - - HIS HONOUR; I accept it on that basis, Mrs Williams. MR REARDON: (To witness) In relation to those three cases, what were the penalties imposed in those three cases?---The penalties imposed in those three cases was two years' imprisonment with a minimum of 18 months. In relation to the case that you were directly involved what were the circumstances of that case? HIS HONOUR: There were three cases and that was the penalty in each one or - - - ?---Yes, Your Honour. MR REARDON; Were they Magistrates' Courts hearings?---They were Magistrates' Court hearings. The circumstances of the case that you were directly involved in yourself?---The circumstances of the one I was involved myself was a male person who was actually talking to children on the Internet on the other States and other countries and basically having sexual fantasies with them in a text format across the Internet. The analysis of the other two cases that you were involved in?---They were child pornography involving images only and I think one of them had one or two text documents on there as well. In those cases did the respective defendants contest the case or plead guilty?---Two of the three were contested. The CDs there are available for Your Honour if Your Honour were so desired to view those CDs but I'm not suggesting that Your Honour should view them."