It was contended that there was not any industrial inter-State dispute between the registered organization and the ten respondents, or any of them, notwithstanding the two demands, the persistence in the demands and in refusals before and after the plaint, three attempts to obtain conferences to settle the dispute, and the settlements by eight out of the ten respondents. It appears to me only necessary to refer especially to the two applicants for the rule nisi, because I cannot bring myself to find that there was not any inter-State industrial dispute with the other eight respondents, when they admit there was, when they signed agreements settling the dispute and asked the Court for a certificate which only gives to those agreements the effect of an award if there was an inter-State dispute. As to the other two respondents, no formal demand was made by the officers of the Association for the wages and conditions the members required before the demand of May 1911, for the following reasons: - Prior to the registration of the Association the employees of the Brisbane Tramway Company Limited were debarred by discrimination from joining any federal association and from joining any State union not consisting solely of the employees of the Company. In May 1910 the Brisbane employees did not, for that reason, send any representatives to a general conference of tram employees called in Sydney in May 1910. Discrimination against employees joining unions outside the Company's employees was clearly proved. Prior to registration of the Association, the employees of the Adelaide Tramway Trust were also debarred from submitting any requests through any officers of any federal or State association or union if such officers were not employees of the Adelaide Trust. Subsequently to the registration of the Association both these respondents continued the same practice, and any requests for recognition or demands made on behalf of the employees by the officers of the federal organization formed under the authority of federal legislation were ignored. The President in his judgment in this case, referring to the demands of the organization, said[50]: - "A collective demand from a strong and broad union is often the only mode of relief that is open. The agents of such a union do not, in my experience, spread discontent; they generally spread hopes of getting relief from existing grievances, by arbitration instead of strike. If, however, the crude doctrine should ever be established that there can be no dispute for the purposes of the Arbitration Court, unless the men" (personally) "either worry the employer, or resort to a strike, it is easy to see what will happen." Some of the witnesses truly said in this case: - "If two of our fellow employees voiced all our complaints the employers would look upon them as dissatisfied men and agitators, and would soon make some excuse to get rid of them. Outsiders are the only persons who can properly bargain for us with our employers." This refusal to recognize the federal law and to consider any requests made by a registered organization was in a way relied upon by the applicant respondents as a proof that there was not any dispute - on the ground that claims were not made by the only persons recognized by the employers, namely, employees of the local Company or Trust, and therefore there could not be a dispute. As the Company would not receive communications from, or confer with the officers appointed by the federal organization, formal demands by registered letter were therefore necessary before plaint. One was made by the officers, and one by the solicitors of the registered organization. The employees did ask for minor matters such as special concessions on Christmas Day, alterations of time tables, &c., after the plaint, and that was used, not quite fairly I think, to show that the employees asked for what they really wanted, and that the log demanded was not a demand they intended to persist in.