In the case of The Master Retailers' Association of N.S.W. v. The Shop Assistants' Union of N.S.W.[1], which was decided by this Court about twelve months ago, we had occasion to consider the general functions of the Industrial Arbitration Court and the provisions of the Act. It was pointed out in the judgment of the Court in that case[2] that "the object of the Act therefore is to establish a new tribunal, called a Court of Arbitration, for the hearing and determination of industrial disputes and matters referred to it. It is not to constitute a board of trade, or a municipal body with power to make by-laws to regulate trade, but a Court of Arbitration, for hearing and determining industrial disputes and matters referred to it. And it will be found, on examining the language of the Act, that the words used are always words apt to be used in speaking of a tribunal." And the legislature, starting from that basis, did not think it necessary to expressly define a tribunal, or to declare that the ordinary attributes of a tribunal should exist, but assumed that these were matters of common knowledge, and proceeded to establish this new tribunal, and give it jurisdiction over certain specified matters. Now, the first condition of a litigation is that there shall be a plaintiff, and the first condition of a plaintiff's right to sue is that he shall be interested in the matter to be decided. That is a condition which governs the proceedings of all courts of justice. Are the present appellants interested in this matter? It is said that they are. The argument was based almost entirely on the interpretation of sec. 2 of the Act. When I use the word interest, I mean interest in the legal sense, not in the sense that a person would like to have the matter determined, but in the sense in which it is used in Courts of justice and in legislation. The provisions of the Act with respect to litigation are very meagre. The Act assumes the ordinary attributes or conditions of a Court of justice to exist. Sec. 26 declares the Court's jurisdiction. It says: "The Court shall have jurisdiction and power (a) on reference in pursuance of this Act to hear and determine according to equity and good conscience - (i.) any industrial dispute; or (ii.) any industrial matter referred to it by an industrial union or by the registrar; (iii.) any application under this Act; (b) to make any order or award or give any direction in pursuance of such hearing or determination;" and to do certain other things necessary for the carrying out of those powers. Sec. 28, which is negative in terms, provides that "no matter within the jurisdiction of the Court may be referred to the Court, nor may any application to the Court be made except by an industrial union or by any person affected or aggrieved by an order of the Court." Sec. 2 defines an industrial dispute as a "dispute in relation to industrial matters arising between an employer or industrial union of employers on the one part, and an industrial union of employés or trade-union or branch on the other part, and includes any dispute arising out of an industrial agreement." And an industrial dispute may not be referred to the Court except in pursuance of a resolution of the members of the union arrived at under prescribed circumstances. It is said that it is to be inferred from those provisions that a union can refer to the Court for settlement any industrial dispute that it pleases. In order to ascertain the nature of an industrial dispute we have only to refer to the interpretation section, and if we find that there is a dispute in the strict and literal meaning of that section, there is a power at once for any union to refer it to the Court, and so to give rise to the exercise of the Court's jurisdiction. As to that we remark, first of all, that the industrial union, as a collective body in the nature of a corporation, has no individual relation with the employer at all. A union as such does not contract with the employer. It represents in a corporate sense the individual members of the trade. We again remark that sec. 28 is negative. It assumes certain things. And from the definition in sec. 2 it appears that the parties to an industrial dispute must be an employer on the one side and an industrial or trade union on the other. Unless there is an industrial dispute a matter cannot be referred to the Arbitration Court. What follows from that? It follows that an industrial dispute between an employer and employés cannot be referred to the Arbitration Court except by an industrial union - except possibly under other powers contained in the section - but it cannot be referred under the words which I have read. But does it follow that any claim that an industrial union may make in the abstract is an industrial dispute? Before there can be an industrial dispute, it is a truism to say there must be a dispute, and it must be a dispute relating to industrial matters. Industrial matters are matters relating to the terms and conditions of employment between employer and employé in an industry. So that, until employer and employés differ as to the terms and conditions of employment, there is no industrial dispute. Otherwise there is nothing to settle. But so soon as a dispute arises an industrial union may take it up and refer it to the Arbitration Court. But if the union has nothing to do with the particular employés who are parties to the dispute, what interest, in the legal sense, has it in the dispute? How can it be said that it as plaintiff has any legal interest in the matter? Here are employers and employés going along in perfect amity. A union outside the employés altogether is dissatisfied with the conditions of peace and quietness which exist, and wishes to have an industrial dispute, and the contention is that it is entitled to interfere and invoke the aid of the Arbitration Court, not to quiet an existing dispute, but to create one and get it settled. I cannot think that that was the intention of the legislature. It certainly does not fall within the ordinary meaning of the terms used in the Act, and I do not think that it follows as a necessary inference from the language relied upon by the appellants. That was the view of the Supreme Court, and in that I think they were quite right. I think that the union was not entitled to create an industrial dispute between an employer and employés with whom they have no connection.