Let's come back to the conversation, you told the police that Mick started talking about Shane taking off around the same time this all happened, can - it's important for us to understand the words that were used, are you able to recall what his words were? --- Yeah, he said something about, you know, you weren't around, where did you go, or something like that, I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember the gist of it is, he asked him, yeah, you took off for a bit and what happened to you.
You made reference to a function at a hotel that Shane did not - sorry, at the hotel that Shane did not turn up for, can you recall what that function was? --- I think it was back before my days, I would've been around five, at the time, or something like that, but they said, back in the old days and it was some get together or something, I don't know, mate, it's not ---
I know you don't know, but you were there listening to Mick talking and I'm just trying to ascertain what it was, whether Mick gave any better description of the function? --- Mate, it's been a few years, I can't remember what they were talking about, but it was - they were talking about getting on the piss half the time and good times they've had and Mick's said something about something went on, they caught up with some people and he wasn't there, so ---
Did Mick say when that function happened? --- Years ago, I don't know.
You don't know ---? --- It was not the year we were drinking, it was back in their past.
I'm just asking you, did Mick say anything about when the function was meant to have been on? --- Well, yeah, I remember the conversation, it was about the time you weren't around, so - that's - he was implying that he wasn't there, I don't ---
What time was that? --- The time?
Did Mick say what time it was, which year it was or when it was that Shane was not around? --- He said "back then", they were talking of a conversation which we had missed out on, bits and pieces, and he was talking about the time in question he was talking about.
This is a conversation that you're drifting in and out of, I take it --- ? --- We were talking about
Is that right? You're drinking in and out of --- ? --- Of me and Jamie talking in between?
Yes? --- Yes. We joined in on the conversation in between, when - specific points we wanted to talk about, such as bars and things we'd done, we had a conversation or said, or yeah, this and that, and they were continuing their thing.
You didn't hear the entire conversation between Mick and Shane? --- No, sir.
Those bits - and it's not as if you only picked up on half the conversation, you were coming in and out of the conversation, is that a correct way to put it? --- To be more frank, excuse myself, but as - at the time, I didn't really care, we were just drunk and we talking about stuff and even until the day they questioned me, I really didn't care what they talk about, it's between them and then they said, I have to tell them, so I had to tell the police - so - to be quite honest, I really didn't want any part of it, but they have questioned me and said I have to give a statement, I gave a statement, that's the statement you have before you, sir, so I'm sorry that my memory has been subsequently - not quite erased, but I've gone through a few traumatic periods in my life since then, one was occurring is Black Saturday where my parents' house is, so I excuse myself if my memory isn't as good as what's in the statement, but that's what they asked, that's what I told them and, at the moment, I can remember certain things, I don't remember certain times, so I am sorry for that.
You don't need to apologise, you can only give the evidence you can recall. You mentioned something about Shane saying he went to see some mates up the hills at Warburton, do you remember ---? --- Yeah.
--- any part of that conversation? --- Yeah, that's between Mick and Shane, they - it was about the time he said he went away, so he talked about that.
Did Shane specify Warburton or did you assume it was Warburton he was speaking of or what? --- It may have been Warburton. Like I said before, it was a long time ago, I can't remember my specifics, but you do have the statement there. [11]