"Do you recall Mr Allen and Mr Yiannis talking to the board members about the obligation of a director to stop the company trading if the company is unable to meet its existing debts? - - - I don't remember that.
Do you recall them talking to you about the importance of directors ascertaining whether the company is able to meet its existing debts? - - - Your Honour, there was a lot of discussion at that point in time, but I can't remember specifically, and these specific details I just relied on Russell.
Mr Sali, Mr Allen is there in this meeting, I suggest to you, telling the members of the board about their obligations or the importance of them ensuring that the company's able to meet its debts. Do you recall that topic being discussed at the board meeting on 18 April? - - - If it was, but there again I relied on Russell's advice.
Do you recall it being discussed at this meeting? - - - There was discussions.
There were discussions about - - - ? - - - There was a lot of general discussion. I can't remember the specific details.
I'm asking you just about this issue for the moment, Mr Sali. Do you recall there being discussion to the effect, 'director should make sure that the company doesn't incur debts unless the company can meet those debts'? - - - I can't remember that specific.
Mr Sali, do you recall there being a discussion at this meeting about the very question of whether or not Universal could pay its existing debts? - - - I think so.
You think so? - - - Yes.
It is an important topic, isn't it, for a board of directors to talk about? - - - It is.
As a director of this company or any other company, it is a topic that you would take an interest in if it was being discussed? - - - Yes. But I always relied heavily on Russell.
In this meeting, Mr Sali, do you recall Matthew Blizzard expressing the opinion that, yes, Universal could pay its debts? Do you recall him saying that? - - - I can't remember distinctly.
Can you remember it at all that Mr Blizzard expressed that view, that the company was able to pay its existing debts? - - - I'm not too sure, your Honour. I daresay he may have.
Mr Sali, don't you have a better recollection of this particular topic at that meeting? It is an important topic for the directors of a company to discuss, isn't it? - - - Yes. It is eight years ago, too. It is a long time and we have had a lot of discussions and on these finer points, as I said before, I always rely very heavily on Russell for advice."