I put to you that you initially agreed that dividends should be paid; this is at 4 July 2006?---Correct.
But then subsequently you went back on that, is that right?---Would you like to hear the story why?
Same process; we will establish what happened first and then I may ask you some further questions. But before the 7/06 directors/meeting at Wedderburn, you and Mr Holt were both there?---We were.
The resolution was that there would be a dividend, I think of $20,000 per share?---It wasn't a resolution, it was a discussion and we agreed upon it.
It was also the same discussion where it was agreed on the $130,000 for two years?---Correct. It had always been a sore in Reg's side of the money. It was the first time I have heard him come to a reasonable amount of money for my salary.
So now let's look at what happened to this agreement between the two directors of Hollen Australia Pty Ltd. One of the things you agreed on was essentially primarily to your benefit, the wage, and the other thing was something that would benefit Mr Holt and you; is that fair?---Correct.
What happened after this was you took the $130,000 salary?---Correct.
But you reneged on the dividend?---Correct.
Why did you do that?---I'm glad you asked that question.
Just answer it?---No, no, no. I've got to explain the story. Reg came in and I said to him, "It is your money as much as mine." It was sitting in Macquarie bank. I said, "It's fine, you're (indistinct) the same as I am." I said, "The trouble is, Reg, we're not getting on. Everything is going against us. We have to start again. If you're happy to start again, we'll start right from scratch again, wipe all our problems out and we'll start again. Yeah, I'm happy with that. I'll go home and draw up the plan, that's fine." Off he goes, draws up the plan, comes back and I think it is in one of the affidavits. I have the pen in my hand I'm ready to sign the paper to say "Yes, okay, here we go" and I said, "Before I sign it, Reg, I expect you to go to Justin's, sort out the financial, sign all the paperwork so we can start again as agreed." "I'm not going to do that." I said, "You and I see it different ways, but if that's the way you feel, stick the paper up your arse and piss off."
That's the sort of language you use, isn't it, Mr Burnside?---It is, because he makes me that wild.
None of those conditions that you sought to apply after the meeting were put forward to the meeting, were they?---Which conditions?
The conditions you have just talked about, what you asked Mr Holt to do that you said he refused to do, go to McErvale?---Exactly. Why didn't he?
Why didn't you put that condition on it when you agreed to it at the meeting?---I did. I said to start again, "We're going to start again from scratch. Forget all our past problems. Let's start again from scratch."
Just concentrate, Mr Burnside. At the meeting you didn't apply a condition that you've got to go to McErvale. That occurred later when you were asked to sign. That is your evidence?---That was part of the condition of starting again. If his main bone of contention is signing all the financials, wouldn't you say starting again would be fixing up the financial?
If the agreement at the meeting is not going to be observed, is it fair to say that you were discriminating in the part of the agreement that you sought to give effect to, discriminating in that you took the $130,000 salary as you've agreed, didn't you?---Yes.
And then you reneged on the dividends?---For that reason. Reg reneged
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The company could afford it?---Correct. It was just sitting there.
You just sought to impose a condition, an additional condition?---It wasn't an additional condition, it was a condition I asked Reg to do at the start. I said, "If we're going to keep going with this business, you've got to start again and we've got to start from scratch." It is almost mediation. Let's start from scratch and start again.