How long was the meeting that you had late on 15 June with Mr Larkin? --- If I recall, it was in the evening and it was about hour and a half to two hours long.
Late on Friday evening? --- That's correct.
Was a bottle of wine opened or a glass of beer or something like that? --- Not that I recall.
And your wife was present at that meeting? --- She was.
Limited opportunity to read the PDS at that meeting? --- That's correct.
And up until that meeting, that was the first time that you had actually received a copy of that product disclosure statement? --- That's correct.
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the documents I have given you." Is it the position you signed the authority to proceed but you hadn't quite performed that task? --- I would have read the documents. I read the documents but I certainly didn't dissect them or - - -
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An hour and a quarter's meeting is not really adequate time, is it, to digest the PDS? --- Well, not to drill down into it in great detail.
There were also other investments that Mr Larkin was recommending, was there not? --- There was.
So he was also recommending, if you go back to the statement of advice on page 3, the FEA Plantations Project 2007? --- Yes.
And he was also recommending the Gunns Plantations Project 2007? --- Yes.
And each of those had PDSs associated with them? --- Yes.
So just to give me some form of idea, the volume of material that he was bringing to this meeting late on 15 June which was about an hour and a quarter was several hundreds of pages of material? --- Yes.
You certainly didn't have time to properly analyse that in the timeframe that was given for that meeting of about an hour and a quarter? --- Not in minute detail, no.
I take it Mr Larkin was speaking to his statement of advice, taking you through it? --- Yes.
That would have taken some time, did it? --- I don't recall how long it took.
You had questions of him about various matters in relation to his statement of advice? --- I would have been asking him questions, yes.
Did you also discuss applying for loans to enter into some of these investments? --- As I recall it, Mr Larkin offered to me the fact that I could have a 12 month interest free. I had the funds available and could have paid them in full at that point. However, when he recommended that I actually take the 12 month interest free, he pointed out to me I could keep my funds invested and as I paid monthly, I would be evening interest on the balance.
So part of this hour and a quarter discussion also involved a discussion about the financing arrangements for how these investments would be subscribed for? --- He purely indicated in my case as to the 12 month interest free and if I recall, it wasn't on the document, he actually had to change it to say that it was 12 months interest free on the loan document.
Did he give you a loan finance application package? --- Not at that point, he gave that to me later.
But you signed documents dealing with applying for loan finance, did you not? --- As the application for it, yes, I signed them, and he then said it would go off and if I was approved that it would come back and I would then have to sign the loan documents.
Before you signed the loan application form, did you read that carefully? --- I read it.
That's the sort of thing you would want to read carefully, wouldn't it, before committing yourself to take out a loan? --- Well, I had the funds so it was simply a question of getting the 12 month interest free.
Let me ask you this, when did you write out the cheques that were necessary for subscription for these investments? Did you write them out on the evening of 15 June? --- I don't recall but I'm sure there's copies of the cheques with the date on it.
I want to show you a loan application form that was produced by Macpherson & Kelley, your solicitors, to the defendants. This is under tab 25. This is a document but it only has the front page and pages 2, 4, 5, 8 and 9, do you see that? --- Sorry, under 25 I've only got two pages. Sorry, I should have said tab 30. This was discovered as F1.25 by the plaintiff. If I could just take you to page 8, you will see there signatures. They are you and your wife's signatures? --- They are.
It's dated 15 June 2007? --- It is.
So when do you say that you would have signed this? --- I don't recall but if it's dated the 15th, I would assume I signed it on the 15th, but I don't have a memory of that.
But you don't engage in the practice of signing something on one day and dating it on another day? --- No.
So is this something that was likely to have been discussed between you and Mr Larkin on the evening of 15 June? --- Yes - there's where I remember where he had written the 12 months because it had just said the loan terms were 2-4, 5-6 and he had written in that it was interest free for the first 12 months.
This is page 4 of what you are looking at? --- That's correct.
Are you able to explain why this version only has pages 2, 4, 5, 8 and 9? --- I assume that was what I was given at the time because I tend to take everything I've got and file it.
The complete version that was actually sent through to Timbercorp Finance, you will find the version of that appearing at tab 31, do you have that? --- Yes.
If you go to page 1 you will see up the top, "Application check". It says: "Before completing and signing this application form all parties should carefully read this application form", do you see that? --- Yes.
Is that what you did? --- Yes.
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HIS HONOUR: It's getting a bit argumentative. How many PDSs did you have in front of you on the Friday evening? --- If I recall, Your Honour, I had three.
Do you say you read each of them? --- I would have read through them, Your Honour. I wouldn't have sat down and read every word, I would have skimmed through them, reading them, understanding the gist, picking out important items in them and they very much appeared to be similar type of documents.
You say the meeting was an hour an a quarter to an hour and a half? --- Your Honour, I'm sure it went much longer. I recall offering him a glass of wine, I doubt I would have done that if the meeting was only an hour. I really think it would have gone a lot longer.
MR BEACH: You gave an estimate before lunch to read one PDS properly was three to four, multiple by that three you get nine to 12 hours? --- That's correct.
If you've only got an hour and a quarter you only reading at most about 10 per cent of any one PDS? --- I'm reading through the PDSs, not in exact detail every word for word and probably skimming it because that was the time I had available, whether it was an hour or four hours, at this stage I can't tell you.