[2024] FWC 853
General information, not legal advice.
Fair Work Commission
2024-04-03
Original judgment source is linked above.
s.394 - Application for unfair dismissal remedy
Application for unfair dismissal remedy - jurisdictional objection raised by employer - applicants found not to be employees - applications dismissed
3.1 Promote the heritage, traditions and public image of Fire and Rescue NSW;
3.2 Promote the presence of Fire and Rescue NSW and create public awareness in respect of fire safety;
3.3 Provide appropriate music at Fire and Rescue NSW ceremonies, parades, marches and concerts and at other functions as may be determined by the Commissioner from time to time;
3.4 Provide an entity to satisfy the musical ethos of the Association and its members;
3.5 Provide venue, facilities and instruments for, and to conduct band practices and rehearsals; and
3.6 Provide public relations support to Fire and Rescue NSW.
47.1 The Band Protocol outlines the rules and requirements for a Band member.
47.2 The Committee may from time to time, amend the Band Protocol as it sees fit.
47.3 Any breach by a Band member of the Band Protocol will be deemed to be a breach by that member of this Constitution.
5.20 The Librarian duties shall be to keep a record of the music library, ensure the safe keeping and good condition of the same and to make instrumental parts available to members as required. In the capacity of Librarian, they will work in close co-operation with the Musical Director.
5.21 Nominations for the position of Librarian shall be called at the AGM from persons interested in holding the position for the coming 12 month period or may be appointed by the Association. At their first meeting, the Association Band Committee will appoint the Librarian from those that nominated at the AGM. The position is declared vacant, and if there are no other interested persons, the current holder may remain in the position or an alternate appointed by the Association.
6.1. Membership of the Band shall be limited to a maximum number of forty (40) playing members (including percussionists)
6.2 Application for membership of the Band is open to persons eighteen (18) years of age and over, having music ability to satisfactory perform with a Brass band, an ability to work harmoniously in a band situation, and a physical capability of marching and carrying out other duties associated with the functions of the band.
6.3 A vacancy of any position in the band shall be declared by the Musical Director.
6.4 Application for membership of the Band shall be made in person to the Secretary/Manager. The application should contain an undertaking to observe such rules that may be applied to the Fire and Rescue NSW from time to time.
6.5 All applicants will be assessed by way of audition and must meet a standard satisfactory to the Musical Director or persons delegated by the Musical Director to carry out that functions.
6.6 Before appointment to the Band is confirmed, the applicant shall first be invited to 'sit in' with the Band at rehearsals for at least two (2) consecutive rehearsals. The prospective member will then be appointed on six (6) months probation, at the end of the which period, the Musical Director shall determine the musical ability, punctuality, deportment and attendance. On this information, the Musical Director and Secretary/Manager will make a decision on full membership of the member.
6.7 A Band member shall achieve a minimum 80% attendance of band hours for rehearsals and band engagements, assessed on aggregate of both within any twelve (12) month period, not including normal annual and sick leave.
6.8 Failure to meet the minimum standard of attendance will require the member to show cause to the Musical Director and Secretary/Manager why his [sic] appointment to the band should not be terminated.
6.9 Absences incurred by illness shall not be recorded against a member provided the cause is legitimate.
6.10 Notices of intended absences of approved leave shall be given to the Musical Director not less than two (2) weeks before it is due.
6.11 A Band member may apply to the Musical Director and Secretary/Manager for a leave of absence not exceeding six (6) months without renewal.
6.12 A Band member shall be expected to give first loyalty to the Fire and Rescue NSW Band in respect to musical activities. Absences because of commitments to other musical or recreational pursuits will not be acceptable unless authorised by the Musical Director.
6.13 It is the duty of every member to obey promptly and willingly, all lawful instructions and orders given at any time by the person in charge of the Band.
6.14 Members of the Band shall submit to the disciplines of the Band in rehearsal and at engagements. Breaches of discipline will be dealt with by the Association Committee and/or the Musical Director and Secretary/Manager. Repeated breaches could result in dismissal from the Group should the Association Committee or Musical Director and Secretary/Manager feel such action is warranted. Members should conduct themselves in such a manner as not to bring discredit on the service by unacceptable behaviour.
6.15 Any part of the Band uniform shall not be worn by a member at rehearsal, when on leave or when off duty other than when travelling to or returning from Band engagements unless otherwise determined by the Musical Director.
6.16 Applications for membership of the band give permission for the Association to obtain Police Probity Check prior to acceptance of the person as a member.
14.1 Members of the group are recompensed in accordance with rates of pay as determined by the Executive Officer
The following offices shall be paid a special rate determined by the Executive Officer:
14.2 Attendance at rehearsals and engagements is recorded by the Secretary/Manager, or person delegates, on an attendance sheet. Ex gratis payments are made from these records monthly. Each member is to be given a pay envelop or appropriate notification of hours credited for the month, rate of remuneration and the amount. Members are entitled to request to view their times and amounts by approaching the Secretary/Manager.
14.3 Should any monies be owed to General Funds by a member (e.g. spouse accommodation, return of uniform or equipment etc) such monies will be deducted from the members' monthly remuneration. The amount deducted will be clearly shown on the remuneration advice.
382 When a person is protected from unfair dismissal
A person is protected from unfair dismissal at a time if, at that time:
(a) the person is an employee who has completed a period of employment with his or her employer of at least the minimum employment period; and
(ii) an enterprise agreement applies to the person in relation to the employment;
(iii) the sum of the person's annual rate of earnings, and such other amounts (if any) worked out in relation to the person in accordance with the regulations, is less than the high income threshold.
• The parties must have reached agreement as to the terms of the contract.
• The agreement must involve the provision of "consideration" by each party.
• The agreement must be intended by the parties to be legally enforceable.
• The terms of the agreement must be certain and complete and there must be no element of illegality or any other vitiating factor that would deprive the agreement of legal effect.[10]

[1] Mr Mifsud's application was made on 14 October 2023. Mr Webster's application was made on 18 October 2023.
[4] CFMMEU [2022] HCA 1, [43]; ZG Operations [2022] HCA 2, [8].
[5] CFMMEU [2022] HCA 1, [34]; Stevens v Brodribb Sawmilling Co Pty Ltd (1986) 160 CLR 16, 29; Hollis v Vabu Pty Ltd [2001] HCA 44; (2001) 207 CLR 21, 33 [24].
[6] CFMMEU [2022] HCA 1, [39].
[7] CFMMEU [2022] HCA 1, [42]; Hollis v Vabu Pty Ltd [2001] HCA 44; (2001) 207 CLR 21, 41-45 [47]-[57].
[8] Stevens v Brodribb Sawmilling Co Pty Ltd (1986) 160 CLR 16, 24.
[9] Adam Barbour v Memtaz Derbas T/A Derbas Lawyers [2021] FWC 1718, [67].
[10] See for example Susan Bergman v Broken Hill Musicians Club Ltd T/A Broken Hill Musicians Club [2011] FWA 1143; Mark Pitt; Sharon Campione v The Scout Association of Australia Queensland Branch [2021] FWC 63, approved on appeal in [2021] FWCFB 1241; Adam Barbour v Memtaz Derbas T/A Derbas Lawyers [2021] FWC 1718.
[11] Teen Ranch Pty Ltd v Brown (1995) 87 IR 308, 310.
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Paul Mifsud
Fire and Rescue NSW Band Incorporated [2024] FWC 853
(1995) 87 IR 308
(1986) 160 CLR 16
(2001) 207 CLR 21